gracie jiu-jitsu vs. bjj/jj
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Traditional jiu-jitsu seems to focus more on gaining top control and throws. Several submissions from the bottom were invented by Helio I believe.
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Some of the Gracies (*cough* Rorion *cough*) would like you to believe that there is only one "real" jiujitsu -- Gracie Jiujitsu, and everything else is an inferior clone.
This is patently ridiculous on the basis that things that work, work, regardless of what they are called.
Rorion may have an argument that a lot of jiu-jitsu schools overemphasize "sport jiujitsu" and underemphasize "self defence applications of jiujitsu", but this is something that is going to differ school by school, and there are probably many non-gracie schools that have a greater emphasis on "self defence applications" than a gracie school.
Historically however, a lot of the Gracie schools have been seen to be a little more "dogmatic" in their teaching of jiujitsu, whereas most non-Gracie's will have a more open mind. The basic question is this, if you had a choice between going to a doctor from 1910 or 2010, where would you go? Similarly, if you want to learn ground fighting from someone in 1910 or 2010, where would you go?
Also, if the school you're going to is not rolling on a regular basis (re: every class), it should not be classified as brazilian jiujitsu period.
This is patently ridiculous on the basis that things that work, work, regardless of what they are called.
Rorion may have an argument that a lot of jiu-jitsu schools overemphasize "sport jiujitsu" and underemphasize "self defence applications of jiujitsu", but this is something that is going to differ school by school, and there are probably many non-gracie schools that have a greater emphasis on "self defence applications" than a gracie school.
Historically however, a lot of the Gracie schools have been seen to be a little more "dogmatic" in their teaching of jiujitsu, whereas most non-Gracie's will have a more open mind. The basic question is this, if you had a choice between going to a doctor from 1910 or 2010, where would you go? Similarly, if you want to learn ground fighting from someone in 1910 or 2010, where would you go?
Also, if the school you're going to is not rolling on a regular basis (re: every class), it should not be classified as brazilian jiujitsu period.
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Oswaldo Jiu Jitsu is best.
talking about carlson gracie's best friend?
I clicked because perhaps there was something worth reading in here. I found that not to be the case, and made a comment reflecting that.
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We need to stop having this thread over and over. Can someone make a really fantastic, unbiased, and agreeable post answering TS's question so that I can sticky it?
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Judo already had the triangle (sankaku-gatame), the omoplata (ude-garami), and of course the kimura (gyaku-ude garami).
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This is not true. I don't think even Helio or his sons would claim this.
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Are you asking about the difference between "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" and traditional jujitsu? Or between Gracie Jiu Jitsu and what's commonly called BJJ (to the extent that there are differences at all)? Because those are very different questions.
have you trained with him?
Better than Parnes Jiu Jitsu?
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Yes but Machado Jiu Jitsu is up there.
if you go to a Gracie afflilated school, your basically paying for the name of the fighting style your learns. BJJ classes are much cheaper then GJJ classes even though they are they same thing. Parnes Jiu Jitsu is still up there. top 5 Jiu Jitsu games
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Definitely not giving it enough credit.
Wow, you're not asking for much are you?:icon_lol: If someone can do that maybe they could also come up with a grand unified theory in physics in their spare time.
