Gordon Ryan was world "ADCC" champ with 4 years of training.

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Do you think CM Punk could win a match at White Belt with 4 years training?

 

[YellowBanenoo]

What are you insinuating here? The fact that CM punk is not Gordon Ryan?

 

[Grapplefest]

He's been training jiu jitsu for more than four years and I doubt he's ever tapped anyone out in practice.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

He's been training jiu jitsu for more than four years and I doubt he's ever tapped anyone out in practice.

Sloth guard submission?

 

[rac2]

people ARE different.

 

[blaseblah]

He's a blue belt

 

[dragovic]

Have a look at his lil brother Nicky Ryan who is 16 and already beat many high level submission grapplers. Most notably Geo Martinez who's at the very top of no-gi BJJ.
To answer your question though: CM Punk actually is a blue belt

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Have a look at his lil brother Nicky Ryan who is 16 and already beat many high level submission grapplers. Most notably Geo Martinez who's at the very top of no-gi BJJ.
To answer your question though: CM Punk actually is a blue belt

Yeah but could he beat a white belt ?

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Didn't BJ Penn win worlds after 3 years?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

AND A SHIT LOAD OF PEDS

 

[dragovic]

Yeah but could he beat a white belt ?

Since white belt is anywhere between 1 minute to years of mat time - yes. But he looks very unathletic compared to a typical BJJ beginners class in my opinion. His guillotine attempt (which shouldn't even deserve being called an attempt) was cringeworthy and nowhere near blue belt level. He should probably compete in the beginners bracket.

 

[20falarVerdades]

Jon Jones was GOAT with 4 years of training (smashed Shogun @ 23, started training at 19)

 

[dragovic]

Didn't BJ Penn win worlds after 3 years?

More close to four years but it's still ridiculous. However I don't think anyone could pick up BJJ now and in 3-4 years compete for the top places at worlds. The game has changed a lot since then (2000). Freak of a talent, he was, though.

 

[dragovic]

Jon Jones was GOAT with 4 years of training (smashed Shogun @ 23, started training at 19)

Of MMA training yes. But we have to consider his background in freestyle wrestling. Gives you a pretty fucking good foundation.

 

[Jarvan]

people ARE different.

Triggered

We are all equal damnit

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Have a look at his lil brother Nicky Ryan who is 16 and already beat many high level submission grapplers. Most notably Geo Martinez who's at the very top of no-gi BJJ.
To answer your question though: CM Punk actually is a blue belt

Geo Martinez is not at the "very top" of no-gi BJJ. No matter what Eddie Bravo wants you to believe, EBI is not exactly stacked with top BJJ talent. Joe Soto almost won one, FFS.

 

[dragovic]

Geo Martinez is not at the "very top" of no-gi BJJ. No matter what Eddie Bravo wants you to believe, EBI is not exactly stacked with top BJJ talent. Joe Soto almost won one, FFS.

Depends completely how we define the "very top". If you take the guys who compete at ADCC in consideration then it's another story, but on the "circuit" or whatever you wanna call it - the ones that are active - he certainly belongs, in my opinion.

Edit: a lot of top gi guys compete at ADCC and not really on the submission grappling scene.

 

[Apollo33]

Hakeem Olajuwon didn't pick up a basketball until he was 17 years old, 3 years later he was dominating NCAA and was drafted 1st to the NBA.

in other words, what's your point, it's sports, the range of talent is insane

 

[Phrozenspite]

More close to four years but it's still ridiculous. However I don't think anyone could pick up BJJ now and in 3-4 years compete for the top places at worlds. The game has changed a lot since then (2000). Freak of a talent, he was, though.

yeah, no disrespect to BJ Penn, but I think the story also involved him getting daily 1 on 1 training with a master or professor also because of how rich his family is. I'm not saying that would make most people a champ, but I'd think 3-4 years of private instruction would be enough to make most people extremely good at just about anything

 

[Arkridge]

Hes also jacked as fuck. He should try his hand at MMA like his training partner Gary Tonon.