Gordon Ryan vs Felipe Pena


Well it seems like a lot of things have changet since that JRE episode…


What changed? His opening statement he said he would go into MMA if someone from his team were to step up in BJJ .

Hes still the only guy in his team at the top of the game. And even if he still had Jones, Nicky Rod, his brother etc in his team, theyre still not doing anything near what he is.
 
I don't think he fancies it
Honestly he makes a lot doing what he is doing and he is deemed as close to invincible in his area

How could his ego handle getting chinned? I think he would get smashed and he is smart to stay grappling

How about looking at it from the perspective of, why would he want to go into MMA if hes getting rich not getting punched in the head ?

Ive no idea why its a criticism , as if you are nothing if you dont step into a cage for an MMA fight.

Not everyone wants to get concussions and their face smashed in. It doesnt make them a coward.
 
How about looking at it from the perspective of, why would he want to go into MMA if hes getting rich not getting punched in the head ?

Ive no idea why its a criticism , as if you are nothing if you dont step into a cage for an MMA fight.

Not everyone wants to get concussions and their face smashed in. It doesnt make them a coward.
i agree. he's under no obligation to do it, there's no need for him to do it, and it doesn't make any sense for him to do it.

the only reason i'd egg him on is because he talked a big game about how he was going to take over MMA, and he likes to act like a fighter. he slapped the shit out of galvao, acted all tough afterwards, and still brags about it in interviews. well, let's see it, champ. get in there with someone who actually wants to fuck you up. or, if you're so pumped about slapping people in the street, go slap someone like romero.
 
Bro, I don’t know who’s telling the truth, from what I heard, Peña wanted to postpone but Flograppling said he had to go out for at least 30 minutes or else he loses his compensation and stake money he bet with Gordon, so after 30 minutes, he was expecting to be able to walk off but they told him no, then he walked back onto the mat, grappled 14 more minutes with no enthusiasm, Gordon saw this as weakness and cranked it up more, then Felipe verbally submitted.

I don’t know for sure, what Flograppling did, but others are backing Peñas story.

Agree. I still think Gordon is the better grappler now but it also shows how good penas was with all the things that happen thay day . He lasted and did well for 45 minutes. He didn't look as tired as when he was getting beat up by Andre.

I think once flo said to go back on the mat, he just didn't care at that point.( I still think Gordon subs him )
 
So whats your point? That interview still holds up. Hes still the only top guy from his team...
Well, if he does not want to try mma, he sure has an excuse for postponing it for longer.
He has been really quiet on that topic lately. But of course that does not necessary mean anything.
 
i agree. he's under no obligation to do it, there's no need for him to do it, and it doesn't make any sense for him to do it.

the only reason i'd egg him on is because he talked a big game about how he was going to take over MMA, and he likes to act like a fighter. he slapped the shit out of galvao, acted all tough afterwards, and still brags about it in interviews. well, let's see it, champ. get in there with someone who actually wants to fuck you up. or, if you're so pumped about slapping people in the street, go slap someone like romero.

This. Gordon is much bigger than Andre . Gordon attitude was much different when pena said let's do mma match. Gordon did everything to avoid the call out.
 
We wouldn't lionised the guy if he got the W. He couldn't overcome the hurdles. Whether he should have gone other there is for him to decide. I didn't think Jake Shields should have gone out and fought a week or so after his father passed away as I thought it might've been a step too soon and fast, but I don't know the guy and he could've been one of the ones that pushed through. I respect his decision.

Simone Biles made the same decision in the other direction and I respect that too. She wasn't right and arguably made the harder choice given the potential fallout. Other thing I don't think people consider is that if she messes up, it's her neck that break and she's the one that lives with it for the rest of her life.

Re: getting on the mic after. I didn't hear it myself. I'd just think the guy just really didn't want to be there at all or anymore. Probably smarter to just walk away but I guess he's obligated to get on the stick. I saw some discussion in previous pages about how Pena could've come out "winning".... The only way he could have come out ahead last night was to win the match. It was as simple as that. There was no way even if he went out on his sword he could have come out ahead, IMO.


It certainly would be possible for him to just refuse to go out on the mat. Though doing so at that point would likely also have had professional consequences. One hand could hold it understandable, but on the other it would also ultimately be a disappointment to all those who up to that point had waited so long for that to happen, especially when there's no guarantee it will ever happen again. (O Fortuna, velut luna, statu variabilis)

There are continuums of willingness and arm twisting, and agreement happens at points where they intersect. I don't think it was a case where they had mobsters hold a tire-iron to the kneecaps of someone almost totally against doing so-and-so, but i do think they probably tried talking him around to continue going forwards, and that was enough to fill in the rest for his partiality to continuing.

As you say, winning forgives many sins, while losing affords little. There are still those able to understand and appreciate acquitting yourself well though. Maybe not 'come out ahead', but not be as far behind as one might otherwise be. I think playing through to the end then making a simple statement like 'these events have really affected me, but because i hespect Gordon as a competitor and the game i came out for everyone anyways; lets run this back at a better time'. I think everyone could've gotten onboard with that.

A pessimistic eye on the history of these sorts of things would say that's probably not really likely, though. And while it may seem gauche to think about careerism at the same time you're thinking about all too human tribulation, it's also something that is never the less always in the back of a person's mind, even if not on the level of explicit expression. I'm trying not to throw stones here when i say that Pena probably doesn't like his chances all that much in a hypothetical rematch in the future, irrespective of everything else. That's also just something that is what it is. You've got all these different threads tangled up in your head, but they're still always there, always exerting their weight in any case. It's real and influential. This isn't so much about casting judgement per se, as much as simply expressing the reality of the situation, including all of its different parts.

One of the greatest tragedies in combat sports history is the fact that Sakuraba-Rickson never happened. And there are certainly parallels here. A brother, son, and world-class individual taken from before his time. The scheduled match falling through more than understandable. Why did it never get rescheduled later, though? Well, that's just the way the cookie crumbled. Things happen when there is a will to make them happen. And mutual confidence is a big factor in that will.

Though naturally not exactly comparable in every way, since Lo and Pena were not family or even gymmates, though the shock of a figure you know and respect passing tragically and who you may have even had close conversations with can still be there. There's little to no way you can reasonably judge how much or how little someone is 'truly' affected by something... which is ultimately why you can't really use it for or against an argument for something, either. This segues with your discussion of Biles as well. There can be all kinds of different reasons for why someone doesn't stand on top of the world at the end of the day. It's her prerogative to not compete if she doesn't want to. But by that same token, she can't expect equal regard as the ones who do.

Maybe it would have been better if the match was canceled in the end, if only so these conversations would be avoided while everyone's emotions are still raw, while it's hard for people to process, and they're not really able to approach things from a balanced distance; but it did happen at this time, and so that conversation did come up this time, and God as my witness i can't do anything but keep to the plain truth, no matter what the situation is.
 
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Felipe wanted a 30 min match. flo must have asked Gordon and Gordon said no . That seems to be the truth from being Gordon's video on Instagram and Felipe's post .

Whether he asked for more money is debatable and only flo would be able to confirm that .that changes the whole story if true .

I will say one thing danahers post fight assessment on flo is interesting, he is polite as always but does make a remark about how felipe was laughing and landing heavy collar ties and kicks untill he got tired , then played the grief card . I may have written this out of context but he seems to agree with gordon .
 
Bro, I don’t know who’s telling the truth, from what I heard, Peña wanted to postpone but Flograppling said he had to go out for at least 30 minutes or else he loses his compensation and stake money he bet with Gordon, so after 30 minutes, he was expecting to be able to walk off but they told him no, then he walked back onto the mat, grappled 14 more minutes with no enthusiasm, Gordon saw this as weakness and cranked it up more, then Felipe verbally submitted.

I don’t know for sure, what Flograppling did, but others are backing Peñas story.
This IG post from Felipe is pretty much what Gordon said happened, I don't think the stuff about wanting to postpone or only fight for 30 min is true.

I think Felipe initially wanted to fight through it, felt like Lo would've wanted him to, he probably felt good when he was fresh, but when he started to get to the point when he needed that mental strength the death got to him and he just didn't have it in him... very understandable... just a shitty situation overall for everyone, as Felipe said, he should've just postponed the match, but it is what it is.

They both signed a contract stating they would rematch at some point, so we'll see it again, and we will see the most motivated version of Felipe possible which is exciting.

 
to be entirely fair, i didn't watch the whole thing.

i couldn't continue when he said that leandro being shot maybe messed with pena's head, but he had a flu when they first fought and nobody cared. i'm sure he has lots of logical arguments afterwards, but consider this one for a moment.

yeah, maybe his friend got murdered an hour before our match, but i had a flu 5 years ago!!!

who the fuck thinks like that? i know a 9 year old that's more mature than that.
Good point lol, I think he also downplayed how competitive the match was early on.

I'm pretty forgiving of what athletes have to say/do to keep their mindset right, and I'm extra forgiving when the athlete is an all-time great... as I said earlier in the thread to someone else, Gordon reminds me a lot of Michael Jordan, he comes off as arrogant, insecure, petty, etc. at times, but that's part of what makes him great... that being said I totally understand people not liking him, and not seeing being great as an excuse to be like that.
 
It certainly would be possible for him to just refuse to go out on the mat. Though doing so at that point would likely also have had professional consequences. One hand could hold it understandable, but on the other it would also ultimately be a disappointment to all those who up to that point had waited so long for that to happen, especially when there's no guarantee it will ever happen again. (O Fortuna, velut luna, statu variabilis)

There are continuums of willingness and arm twisting, and agreement happens at points where they intersect. I don't think it was a case where they had mobsters hold a tire-iron to the kneecaps of someone almost totally against doing so-and-so, but i do think they probably tried talking him around to continue going forwards, and that was enough to fill in the rest for his partiality to continuing.

As you say, winning forgives many sins, while losing affords little. There are still those able to understand and appreciate acquitting yourself well though. Maybe not 'come out ahead', but not be as far behind as one might otherwise be. I think playing through to the end then making a simple statement like 'these events have really affected me, but because i hespect Gordon as a competitor and the game i came out for everyone anyways; lets run this back at a better time'. I think everyone could've gotten onboard with that.

A pessimistic eye on the history of these sorts of things would say that's probably not really likely, though. And while it may seem gauche to think about careerism at the same time you're thinking about all too human tribulation, it's also something that is never the less always in the back of a person's mind, even if not on the level of explicit expression. I'm trying not to throw stones here when i say that Pena probably doesn't like his chances all that much in a hypothetical rematch in the future, irrespective of everything else. That's also just something that is what it is. You've got all these different threads tangled up in your head, but they're still always there, always exerting their weight in any case. It's real and influential. This isn't so much about casting judgement per se, as much as simply expressing the reality of the situation, including all of its different parts.

One of the greatest tragedies in combat sports history is the fact that Sakuraba-Rickson never happened. And there are certainly parallels here. A brother, son, and world-class individual taken from before his time. The scheduled match falling through more than understandable. Why did it never get rescheduled later, though? Well, that's just the way the cookie crumbled. Things happen when there is a will to make them happen. And mutual confidence is a big factor in that will.

Though naturally not exactly comparable in every way, since Lo and Pena were not family or even gymmates, though the shock of a figure you know and respect passing tragically and who you may have even had close conversations with can still be there. There's little to no way you can reasonably judge how much or how little someone is 'truly' affected by something... which is ultimately why you can't really use it for or against an argument for something, either. This segues with your discussion of Biles as well. There can be all kinds of different reasons for why someone doesn't stand on top of the world at the end of the day. It's her prerogative to not compete if she doesn't want to. But by that same token, she can't expect equal regard as the ones who do.

Maybe it would have been better if the match was canceled in the end, if only so these conversations would be avoided while everyone's emotions are still raw, while it's hard for people to process, and they're not really able to approach things from a balanced distance; but it did happen at this time, and so that conversation did come up this time, and God as my witness i can't do anything but keep to the plain truth, no matter what the situation is.

I pretty much agree with you on all fronts but likely at varying degrees (I never got any sort of a hankering for Rickson/Sakuraba as anything other than a passing "that could be fun fight" for example). At work so I don't think the time to answer but I feel I'd be repeating you anyways
 
They both signed a contract stating they would rematch at some point, so we'll see it again, and we will see the most motivated version of Felipe possible which is exciting.




That's good to hear. I still have trauma from following boxing where these days it's practically impossible for guys at the top level to ever run into each other. To a lesser extent you can see this in MMA too, though not so much. Fisticuffs naturally carry a greater element of risk so that's at least part of it.

A greater willingness to give each other a go with no hard feelings (well, relatively speaking lol) is one of the reasons i appreciate grappling sports.
 
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Felipe wanted a 30 min match. flo must have asked Gordon and Gordon said no . That seems to be the truth from being Gordon's video on Instagram and Felipe's post .

Whether he asked for more money is debatable and only flo would be able to confirm that .that changes the whole story if true .

I will say one thing danahers post fight assessment on flo is interesting, he is polite as always but does make a remark about how felipe was laughing and landing heavy collar ties and kicks untill he got tired , then played the grief card . I may have written this out of context but he seems to agree with gordon .
You know what brazillians love more than Acai? An excuse.
 
You know what brazillians love more than Acai? An excuse.

I had random Brazilians PMing me on instagram for just saying things like Gordon is GOAT. It was in Portuguese so I had to translate it but they were calling me a whore and making excuses for Pena lol. A bunch of them kept saying "2-1". How mentally weak do you have to be to have to live in the past, 5 and 6 years ago, just to have an argument? You know how many Brazilians I have ever messaged over grappling matches? Zero, because I don't care.
 
Good point lol, I think he also downplayed how competitive the match was early on.

I'm pretty forgiving of what athletes have to say/do to keep their mindset right, and I'm extra forgiving when the athlete is an all-time great... as I said earlier in the thread to someone else, Gordon reminds me a lot of Michael Jordan, he comes off as arrogant, insecure, petty, etc. at times, but that's part of what makes him great... that being said I totally understand people not liking him, and not seeing being great as an excuse to be like that.

There are other greats that don’t come off as petty as him.
 
There are other greats that don’t come off as petty as him.
True, but greatness comes in different forms. If Michael Jordan was a 2nd tier player and acted the way he did... everyone would've hated him, but since he was the best, people kinda accept him for what he is.
 
Gordon reminds me a lot of Michael Jordan
LMAO. No. Not even close. It's a teeny tiny niche sport with no money.

You think Gordon would be twisting people's feet if he could dunk from the free throw line and make $50 mil a year? Let's keep it real.
 
LMAO. No. Not even close. It's a teeny tiny niche sport with no money.

You think Gordon would be twisting people's feet if he could dunk from the free throw line and make $50 mil a year? Let's keep it real.
You completely missed the point lol, it's about the mentality/personality

No shit Gordon could never make it in the NBA, he isn't a top 0.001% athlete like Jordan was, but their mentalities are very similar
 
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