Elections GOP 2016 Primary Thread V3: More God and Guns Edition

[Makani]

I see. That's too bad.


But before that, how come there wasn't more security at the compound? I do recall reading something about a request being made for more security, though honestly, I can't remember if it was directly in relation to this.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/247791506/Benghazi-Report

Page 12 at the bottom points out there was no specific knowledge of the attacks beforehand, although the environment was deteriorating. There were additional security elements in place in Tripoli, and the CIA was operating in Libya to gather intelligence on the smuggling of arms to Syria, their presence was deemed adequate, although security was a concern. It's a good read if you want to start there actually, unless you want to read the timeline of events that begins the report.

It was a tragic loss of life, but the way it's been commandeered for political gain by the right is pretty sad. They've spent millions investigating it, we're about to see the 8th report come out in the next year, and it's not because the last 7 didn't cover the bases. Is there some event next year that might benefit from tons of irresponsible speculation from conservative news sources? I'm not great with dates.

 

[Adamant]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/247791506/Benghazi-Report

Page 12 at the bottom points out there was no specific knowledge of the attacks beforehand, although the environment was deteriorating. There were additional security elements in place in Tripoli, and the CIA was operating in Libya to gather intelligence on the smuggling of arms to Syria, their presence was deemed adequate, although security was a concern. It's a good read if you want to start there actually, unless you want to read the timeline of events that begins the report.

Cool, I'll check it out.

 

[Makani]

Cool, I'll check it out.

It's worth it, and remember that the Committee that created it was majority GOP. Other than your support of Trump, who I actually loathe, I am usually just busting your balls, you are a fun factor for the thread, but Benghazi is one of those things with so many weird takes on information out there. I bet I could spin that report a dozen ways if I was getting paid big money to do it.

 

[Adamant]

It's worth it, and remember that the Committee that created it was majority GOP. Other than your support of Trump, who I actually loathe, I am usually just busting your balls, you are a fun factor for the thread, but Benghazi is one of those things with so many weird takes on information out there. I bet I could spin that report a dozen ways if I was getting paid big money to do it.

lol, thanks.

The thing with Trump is I'm willing to actually give him a shot. My mind isn't made up at all at this point, but I'm not writing him off yet. If he runs, I'll listen to what they all have to say and go from there. While he's most probably not the best option, I don't think he's the absolute worst either.

I know he's a clown, but put all that aside, and put his 4 bankruptcies aside, how many successes does he have? Tons and tons. While yes, these successes don't automatically =/= successful POTUS, you never know. That's what I'm kind of keeping my eye on.

 

[Lead]

What Fox News Still Isn

 

[Adamant]

What Fox News Still Isn’t Saying About Its GOP Debate

What's the general opinion on "rounding numbers" so Fiorina can make the debate? Doesn't seem like something they would do if a man were in her position, so I say let the chips fall as they may. If she can't hit 2%, then she's out.

Santorum, Perry, and Christie do nothing for me.

 

[Adamant]

Interesting read:

Ted Cruz Channels John F. Kennedy

Link

One of the most important players in the upcoming 2016 Republican presidential primary contest may be turn out to be a Democrat who died more than 50 years ago.

Campaigning in Andover, Mass., recently, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas invoked John F. Kennedy.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Kennedy is such an odd fixation for people. He was president for such a short period of time and accomplished so little, yet he's this lionized figure in American history because what, he was really photogenic and had a charming family?

If you want to look at the real historically important figures in the 20th century Democratic party, I think you have to look at FDR and LBJ. Both of whom favored high taxes to fund massive social spending, positions which are anathema to the modern GOP. The transformation the country underwent during their presidencies was massive and unprecedented, certainly way beyond anything JFK did. The Democratic party is a lot closer to its 20th century roots as the party of civil rights and progressive social spending than the GOP is to its. Goldwater and the Reagan changed the GOP to a degree that the Democratic party hasn't seen since the Dixiecrats broke away during the civil rights movement.

 

[Adamant]

How long do the debate usually last for? An hour? Two? More?

 

[Adamant]

Trump ain't doing too bad here. What do you guys make of this?

 

[Adamant]

Kennedy is such an odd fixation for people. He was president for such a short period of time and accomplished so little, yet he's this lionized figure in American history because what, he was really photogenic and had a charming family?

If you want to look at the real historically important figures in the 20th century Democratic party, I think you have to look at FDR and LBJ. Both of whom favored high taxes to fund massive social spending, positions which are anathema to the modern GOP. The transformation the country underwent during their presidencies was massive and unprecedented, certainly way beyond anything JFK did. The Democratic party is a lot closer to its 20th century roots as the party of civil rights and progressive social spending than the GOP is to its. Goldwater and the Reagan changed the GOP to a degree that the Democratic party hasn't seen since the Dixiecrats broke away during the civil rights movement.

The main thing I like about JFK is he really pushed space exploration. He made it a top priority. That in and of itself significantly sparked American innovation and imagination. We need that again.

 

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Marco Rubio Says He Didn't Flip-Flop On Immigration But Hillary Clinton Did

In a recent appearance on Fox News, Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio deflected questions about his shift on immigration reform, saying there has been "no flip-flop" on his part and painting Hillary Clinton as the real flip-flopper on the issue.

"She's never done anything on it," the Florida senator said Thursday on Outnumbered. "She was a U.S. senator and never did anything on immigration. She gave speeches about it. It's interesting, a couple months ago she talked about

 

[Lead]

Rand Paul's Off GOP Message Again, This Time on Gitmo

If a Republican wins the White House, the military prison at Guantanamo Bay will almost surely be kept open for the foreseeable future. That is, unless Rand Paul nabs the GOP nomination.

Yet again, the senator from Kentucky has scouted out a position on a national-security issue that makes him an outlier, at least among senators running for president.

That was clear Monday after Marco Rubio introduced two amendments that would extend the use of the prison: one to prohibit funding to programs that would help close the facility, and another that sets a series of tough ground rules before a president could transfer U.S.-held land or water back to Cuba. This follows Rubio's statement two months prior that he would "absolutely" reopen the facility known as Gitmo if Obama somehow closed it, as he promised he would on his first day in office.

Rubio's amendments are more expansive than one proposed by Ted Cruz, the Texas conservative, to end funding for the transfer of detainees to countries covered by the State Department's travel warnings. Cruz's amendment would codify the U.S.'s informal, revived ban on transferring the vast majority of detainees, who are Yemeni, back home. But Cruz, Florida's Rubio and South Carolina's Lindsey Graham support a bill that would prohibit for two years the transfer of detainees who are considered "medium-risk" or higher, and any transfers to Yemen.

 

[Lead]

Scott Walker

 

[Makani]

Fucking Walker. Of course he's not working hard to sell his policies back home, he won, game over. You don't give big business an edge and then get to take it back. If the Republicans managed to ram through a bill privatizing Social Security tomorrow, it would take open armed rebellion to get it back.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Walker had no plans on selling his anti-union bomb, he joked about it in a private cabinet dinner shortly before dropping it. He never ran on it, said he wouldn't do it and then "bombs away". That's his politics - and he was re-elected twice by the federally blue Wisconsin, so they get what they deserve. Elections have consequences.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Kennedy is such an odd fixation for people. He was president for such a short period of time and accomplished so little, yet he's this lionized figure in American history because what, he was really photogenic and had a charming family?

I think the assassination is the big thing for a lot of people. Not just because he died so everyone had to say nice things about him but because a lot of nuts think that he was killed by some vast conspiracy and thus that he was about to do something to upset the secret overlords.

 

[Lead]

I think the assassination is the big thing for a lot of people. Not just because he died so everyone had to say nice things about him but because a lot of nuts think that he was killed by some vast conspiracy and thus that he was about to do something to upset the secret overlords.

*Insert broad secret overlord IDL reply here*

Controlled masses blah blah blah secret elites blah blah blah Don't ask me about specifics blah blah blah ANIMAL FARM

 

[Jack V Savage]

*Insert broad secret overlord IDL reply here*

Controlled masses blah blah blah secret elites blah blah blah Don't ask me about specifics blah blah blah ANIMAL FARM

For some people (and I'm thinking more Trollgrappler than IDL, whom I've never seen comment on JFK), political assassination is sort of like a witch test. Other than the Great Satan Lincoln, if someone dies in office, that's proof that he was one of the good ones.

 

[Makani]

For some people (and I'm thinking more Trollgrappler than IDL, whom I've never seen comment on JFK), political assassination is sort of like a witch test. Other than the Great Satan Lincoln, if someone dies in office, that's proof that he was one of the good ones.

Warren G. Harding, heart disease, or just too big a heart?