Gone Zero Carb.

[CC's left foot]

Well at least one of those 'proven facts' is wrong for me personally.

I got backed up noticeably when i switched to my hi-protein diet. Enough so that I bought the fiber from Costco.

It's possible that your body had not acclimated to the diet, or that you weren't intaking enough fat. This is a high fat diet.

There are many people who are eating this way who have no bowel problems, including me.

 

[CC's left foot]

PFFT i just read that article ... that diet was from the 60's And they use lots and lots of green vegetables plus added supplements... I was sorta right, its a sculpting diet for comp and not ment to be followed all the time!

Also you may want to consider the juice factor some of these athletes may or may not have been into ....

you sir are misguided

This is a scientific diet, based on theory that has accumulated over the past 150 years. It is NOT outdated in the least.

Pick up GCBC by Taubes if you disagree, all the science is there.

 

[CC's left foot]

If all the nutrients you needed were in meat and fat, then there would be no such thing as WATER-soluble vitamins.

Then riddle me this: Why are there historically multiple groups who ate this way, and had no deficiencies? There are plenty of people who are eating this way now for years with no vitamin deficiencies.

How is this possible?

 

[CC's left foot]

im sure a lot of you guys remember this thread: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f15/0-carb-diet-718202/

It has tons of interesting info and lots of arguing about this very topic. Still, an informative thread.

Good luck TS, let us know how it goes.

thank you, I will continue to update as I go.

 

[chia]

Wouldn't you have to be sure to eat grass fed organic meat as well to get a more "natural" balance of nutrients? Sure the ancients may have gorged on meat but it was meat that had lived on natural food, not corn or ground up parts of other animals.

Haha, the truth is they probably never "gorged" either....depending on geography of course, most probably ate moderate amounts of meat and raw vegetables, with some groups probably eating less meat than the average person eats today. The game meats were also nutritionally different, plus no one ate for "performance" back then. They probably also went through periods of fasting and adapted to survive on a relatively small amount of food.

If you want to look at history, then compare the average lifespan of back then and now. Of course there are many other technological advances, but diet certainly played a role in overall health too. There is no proof that there weren't any deficienciesy, although I'm not saying there necessarily were, but even the Inuits today aren't the epitome of life extensionism or athletic performance, so why copy them? Just because people did things one way in the past doesn't mean it's the right or best way.

 

[MikeMartial]

I'm more open to this than I used to be, although if I were to do this I'd have serious concerns about where my meat and eggs were coming from, plus from an athletic point of view, I'd have concerns about performance. The obvious key has to be free range, organic, grass fed poultry and beef.

Keep us posted, CC. What would be really interesting would to have a set of baseline tests done, and then subsequent tests throughout your trial. Full lipids including small particle LDL, bodyfat, CRP, fasting glucose and insulin, etc etc.

Also, keep track of your macros using something like fitday.com. It'll be interesting to see daily intake, ratios, and macro breakdown.

 

[onezendad]

Say Hi to Scurvy for me.

 

[Toastytoy]

This is crazy and very interesting, please keep us posted.

 

[Higher Learning]

there is just not enough verifiable data on this diet and its not based on scientific 'facts' until there has been replicable experimentation and monitoring done under controlled conditions..

i would love you to keep us updated as well though as i think there i some validity to the theory

(side note: i could never, ever give up veggies and condiments, i would die without my spicy sauces and asian foods :icon_cry2)

 

[turbozed]

Say Hi to Scurvy for me.

lolz

 

[Mathias]

CC's left foot, what is your exercise regimen like?

I went Zero-carb for 2 months before I started eating some carbs again PWO. If you are training hard 5-6 days a week using glyocogen depleting exercise then sooner or later you will need carbs or will suffer decreased performance. If you're only training just 1-2 days a week then zero-carb may just be the perfect diet for you. It creates optimal body composition for those without hormonal problems. Also, you need to be 100% strictly dedicated to it and cannot drink alcohol or any cheat meals. If you do then you'll have to re-keto adapt again which is no fun.

 

[bacon]

It works for the Eskimos (AKA Snow-Mexicans) and whatnot...

 

[The Wire]

im sure a lot of you guys remember this thread: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f15/0-carb-diet-718202/

It has tons of interesting info and lots of arguing about this very topic. Still, an informative thread.

Good luck TS, let us know how it goes.

Why was that thread closed? I didn't read all 54 pages yet but a good portion of it.


Was solkanar doing something wrong in there


fyi it was a really good read

 

[IDRISCKY]

I remember that thread, and I remember how everyone thought it was crazy, myself included. Though I did PM him for more information. It's crazy how so much can change in such a short time. Like MM said, it's not anywhere near as crazy as I used to think it was and even something I'd actually consider given more detailed research and test.

 

[modena1983]

very interested to read your comments on this diet as it goes.

 

[turbozed]

Any update on solkanar and his diet?

 

[CC's left foot]

I'm more open to this than I used to be, although if I were to do this I'd have serious concerns about where my meat and eggs were coming from, plus from an athletic point of view, I'd have concerns about performance. The obvious key has to be free range, organic, grass fed poultry and beef.

Keep us posted, CC. What would be really interesting would to have a set of baseline tests done, and then subsequent tests throughout your trial. Full lipids including small particle LDL, bodyfat, CRP, fasting glucose and insulin, etc etc.

Also, keep track of your macros using something like fitday.com. It'll be interesting to see daily intake, ratios, and macro breakdown.

That is a good idea, I have never heard of fitday so I'll check it out.

As far as being grass fed etc, I am primarily concerned with the amount of protein vs. amount of fat. I have always eaten a traditional "balanced" diet, and I've never been picky about organic/grassfed/etc. I honestly have not seen evidence to suggest that cornfed beef would be any less healthy.

Unfortunately I didn't get bloodwork done before the diet, but I can get it from last year and test again when I eventually stop losing weight and normalize. (dropping fat mass temporarily alters cholesterol content).

 

[chia]

That is a good idea, I have never heard of fitday so I'll check it out.

As far as being grass fed etc, I am primarily concerned with the amount of protein vs. amount of fat. I have always eaten a traditional "balanced" diet, and I've never been picky about organic/grassfed/etc. I honestly have not seen evidence to suggest that cornfed beef would be any less healthy.

You may want to do some more research about specific macronutrient types and their health effects before embarking on such an extreme diet. There's plenty of evidence showing that the grain fed meats today are unhealthy compared to the meat of animals raised on their natural diets. The type of fat in the meat is just as important as the amount and the farmed meat of today is much different from the wild meat of the past.

 

[Matt Thornton]

It works for the Eskimos (AKA Snow-Mexicans) and whatnot...

I literally lol'ed at "Snow Mexicans."

 

[Gun Fu]

Hmmm, I read somewhere that no-carb diets might cause Coronary disease.