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Is this reasonable? or a slippery slope?


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not really these days. but a few weeks ago my son's TKD gym had a trunk or treat and buffet dinner. like 40-50 packed in the gym slowly moving through a buffet line. I wore a mask inside to try and avoid RSV, flu, or covid, then took it off outside
 
Only when I go to crowded places.

I wore N95 for a few days 2 weeks ago when the air was filled with smoke particles too. That shit was burning my throat without a mask on.

Yeah I was putting one on again when doing yard work in shit air quality due to wildfires last month.
 
lol no. Two masks cant stop visible dust from getting threw doing renos but will stop a microscopic virus right.

This right here. How is it that even N95 masks have a specific warning about not being adequate for use around asbestos because asbestos particles are too small.....yet airborne virus particles are 1/50th the size and nobody considers this....
 
This right here. How is it that even N95 masks have a specific warning about not being adequate for use around asbestos because asbestos particles are too small.....yet airborne virus particles are 1/50th the size and nobody considers this....

Nobody considers this? I think what you mean to say is, I have an incorrect and incomplete understanding of how viruses travel through the air, and how respirators work, so I assume no one else has thought of this, when people have, its just that you don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, an N95 respirator is effective in protecting workers from the virus that causes COVID-19. "N95" refers to a class of respirator filter that removes at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles from the air. Some people have mistakenly claimed that since the virus that causes COVID-19 is approximately 0.1 microns in size, wearing an N95 respirator will not protect against such a small virus. That mistaken claim appears to result from a misunderstanding of how respirators work.

When an infected person expels the virus into the air by activities like talking, coughing, or sneezing, the airborne particles are composed of more than just the virus. The virus is part of larger particles that are made up of water and other materials such as mucus. These larger particles are easily trapped and filtered out by N95 respirators because they are too big to pass through the filter. This is called mechanical filtration. But mechanical filtration is just one of the ways that respirator filters keep particles from passing through the filter. An electrostatic charge also attracts particles to fibers in the filter, where the particles become stuck. In addition, the smallest particles constantly move around (called "Brownian motion"), and are very likely to hit a filter fiber and stick to it.

The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) tests respirators using particles that simulate a 0.3 micron diameter because this size particle is most likely to pass through the filter. If worn correctly, the N95 respirator will filter out at least 95% of particles this size. An N95 respirator is more effective at filtering particles that are smaller or larger than 0.3 microns in size.
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#respirator


Small particles that can be airborne are defined as aerosol particles [10]. Several experimental results support the view that respiratory particles are sufficiently small for airborne transmission of microorganisms inside the particles. In a study by Johnson et al. (2011), it was reported that healthy subjects (8–15 humans) generate various particles—including respiratory droplets—of three size modes during speech and voluntary coughing (1.6, 2.5 and 145 μm, and 1.6, 1.7 and 123 μm, respectively) [11]. These particles contained very large respiratory droplets with sizes exceeding 100 μm, which fell to the ground within a few seconds. However, in the experimental results, small particles of approximately 2 μm were generated simultaneously [11] and they could remain airborne for dozens of minutes.

In another study by Lindsley et al. (2012), the sizes of aerosol particles generated by patients (9 subjects) who were infected by the influenza virus were measured [12]. The size of the generated particles ranged from 0.35 to 9 μm. Among the particles generated by the influenza-infected patients, particles with a size range of 0.35–2.5 μm were of higher number concentration.
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In a study by Wölfel et al. (2020), it was reported that the average ratio of viruses in the oral fluid of COVID-19 patients was 7.00 × 106 copies per mL and the maximum ratio was 2.35 × 109 copies per mL [25]. These experimental results can be converted to demonstrate that, on average, 2.67 × 10−7% of a respiratory fluid particle of COVID-19 patients is occupied by SARS-CoV-2 and then the minimum size of a respiratory particle that can contain SARS-CoV-2 is approximately 65 μm.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7579175/

This of course ignores the reality, which is, no one thinks masks work perfectly. Thats not the point. The point is that when the entire population wears them, even a tiny reduction in the net transmissions can be a huge difference in the total number of cases. Similarly, of course a well fitted N95 works better than one that is poorly fit, and which works better than a surgical mask, which works better than a cloth mask. The government, especially in places like the US, has to factor in the reality that a large percentage of the population is stupid, lazy, and selfish. The government makes the mask regulations loose with this in mind - anything is better than nothing and the absolute minimum you can get people to do is worth doing.

You people will bitch that masks dont work because people wear them improperly and wear cloth masks, but then I would ask, fair, would you have supported making the requirement be N95s? And that every store had to have someone at the front checking the fit? Of course not, you people would have thrown a bitch fit about it. There's no winning with you guys - at the end of the day you're stupid selfish people who think the government should have just said, fuck it, if you die that's your problem.
 
Some people are so ragingly against every action associated with Covid19 that they're actively refusing to learn any lessons from it.

"Let's at least improve basic hygiene going forward, guys."

"NOPE!"
 
Masks were never a huge deal here in the UK. Yes they were mandatory. But rarely enforced. I wore one when necessary because I hate conflict if I can help it. But a few times I forgot one going to the supermarket and nobody said anything.

The ONE time I got shit, was actually the complete opposite. Only one time. I was staying at my parents place and being older folks I thought be on the safe side - this was early doors in the pandemic.

Queueing to pay some 70yr old or maybe older woman says to her companion "ohh, look at him. Afraid of germs....."

I took it down and said "love I hate wearing this. I'm at my parents place and they're scared so they have made me wear it".
 
There's no winning with you guys - at the end of the day you're stupid selfish people who think the government should have just said, fuck it, if you die that's your problem.

The stupid selfish people are the ones who wanted everyone in society to cover their faces, be force medicated with unsafe experimental drugs, arbitrarily distance themselves from others, close their businesses, be confined to their homes and miss the deaths of their loved ones for a virus that had a 99.9%+ survival rate for people under 50, even when the virus was at its strongest.

These stupid selfish people could have just stayed home if they were so afraid. We asked nothing of them. They asked the ridiculous of us and then used the government to force insane authoritarian policies on the rest of the population. They should be ashamed, and at least have the hindsight and the decency to apologize for the damage done to society by their fear.

How many things did they get wrong? I am almost certain at this point that the pandemic would have been over FAR sooner, and with less death if noone even knew it was there. Take a look at the current non-covid excess death numbers among countries with extreme lockdowns, quarantines and injection mandates. These policies will kill far more than they saved.
 
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The stupid selfish people are the ones who wanted everyone in society to cover their faces, be force medicated with unsafe experimental drugs, arbitrarily distance themselves from others, close their businesses, be confined to their homes and miss the deaths of their loved ones for a virus that had a 99.9+ survival rate for people under 50, even when the virus was at its strongest.

These stupid selfish people could have just stayed home if they were so afraid. We asked nothing of them. They asked the ridiculous of us and then used the government to force insane authoritarian policies on the rest of the population. They should be ashamed, and at least have the hindsight to apologize for the damage done to society by their fear.

How many things did they get wrong? I am almost certain at this point that the pandemic would have been over FAR sooner, and with less death if noone even knew it was there. Take a look at the current excess death numbers among countries with extreme lockdowns, quarantines and injection mandates. These policies killed more than they will save.

Let's be honest. We ended up where we ended up because people couldn't stay at home for a couple days if they felt sick. Let alone wear a mask or wash your hands occasionally.

Nearly every outbreak in my country could be linked to someone screwing up in some way by breaching quarantine or doing something they shouldn't have(Government included). 2 states experienced the majority of cases whilst the rest of the country just did it's own thing and remained open.

All the lockdowns were over the top and stupid, but it's because people couldn't just take some basic measures to avoid what was a pretty deadly air borne disease at the time. I had nothing to worry about from covid and nobody that was high risk so I never had to really care much, but if I had vulnerable family I would have done everything to avoid covid.

How can you argue for unattributed excess deaths being vaccine related when everyone talks about the covid death toll being inflated? I don't understand how people can't see that the anti vaccine/covid narrative has just become what the covid panic narrative was 2 years ago. Same alarmist crap being peddled as facts by Twitter spuds that pick a specific point in a study or data set that tells the narrative they want.


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Some people are so ragingly against every action associated with Covid19 that they're actively refusing to learn any lessons from it.

"Let's at least improve basic hygiene going forward, guys."

"NOPE!"
Let's at least improve basic health going forward, guys.

NOPE!
 
Jesus where did this influx of mask wearing limp wrists come from?

Nearly 3 years you jabronies have been doing this mask shite. Still doing it.

Wahaahab

You gals crack me up.
 
People always talk about people wearing masks in the car
I’ve always assumed it’s just because they’re on their way to somewhere where it’s required, aren’t bothered by it being on and just have thrown it on early


It depends i.e.

https://rumble.com/v1rd3oy-new-zealand-and-domestic-terrorists.html


This fucking thing from New Zealand has the eyes of both a domestic terrorist and a mask believer. When you see eyes like this you know they drive and fuck wearing a mask.


This is what we're coming to, the government are trying to get you to dob in a mate. No doubt they'll start offering cash incentives if the plea to the belief in the higher power of government doesn't work.
 
I stopped about 3 weeks ago (unless required) - and sure enough I caught a cold two weeks later. Just getting over it now. So I've been wearing one and will wear one in public for the rest of the winter/flu season.


Wtf, do you even science?
 
LOL, does that seem like a logical counter to you?
You support an action that's less effective against Covid than the one I did. Just because you don't like a counter doesn't mean it's illogical or nonsensical.

If you had to make a bet which one is more effective: taking care of your body or masking up, which would you bet on?

The fact is masks were pushed while personal responsibility was completely ignored. I'm not saying physical exercise should have been mandated,but it definitely should have been incentivized. And it was all but ignored despite it fitting the new definition of "vaccine".
 
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Nobody considers this? I think what you mean to say is, I have an incorrect and incomplete understanding of how viruses travel through the air, and how respirators work, so I assume no one else has thought of this, when people have, its just that you don't know what you're talking about.


https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#respirator




https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7579175/

This of course ignores the reality, which is, no one thinks masks work perfectly. Thats not the point. The point is that when the entire population wears them, even a tiny reduction in the net transmissions can be a huge difference in the total number of cases. Similarly, of course a well fitted N95 works better than one that is poorly fit, and which works better than a surgical mask, which works better than a cloth mask. The government, especially in places like the US, has to factor in the reality that a large percentage of the population is stupid, lazy, and selfish. The government makes the mask regulations loose with this in mind - anything is better than nothing and the absolute minimum you can get people to do is worth doing.

You people will bitch that masks dont work because people wear them improperly and wear cloth masks, but then I would ask, fair, would you have supported making the requirement be N95s? And that every store had to have someone at the front checking the fit? Of course not, you people would have thrown a bitch fit about it. There's no winning with you guys - at the end of the day you're stupid selfish people who think the government should have just said, fuck it, if you die that's your problem.


Lmfao

Different video to what I used to use but this is the expert used in court for exposures and workplace mask safety's.

https://rumble.com/vu27ez-masks-don...nd-exposure-control-expert-stephen-petty.html

"Host Michael Thiessen discusses the efficacy of masks with PPE and exposure control expert, Stephen Petty."



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...xperts-criticise-troubling-lack-evidence.html

"Masks 'DON'T stop you getting Covid': Top experts criticise 'troubling lack of evidence' to justify wearing them after major Danish study concluded they don't protect the wearer"




Can comfortably say I have done a lot of mask work from dust to asbestos and you're dreaming if you think even a n95 is doing a damn thing.
 
Let's be honest. We ended up where we ended up because people couldn't stay at home for a couple days if they felt sick. Let alone wear a mask or wash your hands occasionally.

I'd argue that if life would have continued as normal, actually allowing the virus to spread and confer natural immunity, we would have seen the epidemic end FAR sooner and with less death as we would have reached herd immunity rather quickly, reducing current spread instead of keeping people separated and then acting shocked when cases went back up as things slowly went back to normal.

Nearly every outbreak in my country could be linked to someone screwing up in some way by breaching quarantine or doing something they shouldn't have(Government included). 2 states experienced the majority of cases whilst the rest of the country just did it's own thing and remained open.

You can't govern everyone under the assumption that everyone will comply. People will do what they want when it comes to taking their own risks. Anyone who wishes to avert risk should do what they think is appropriate aswell while also considering their own risk compared to that of the general population.

All the lockdowns were over the top and stupid, but it's because people couldn't just take some basic measures to avoid what was a pretty deadly air borne disease at the time. I had nothing to worry about from covid and nobody that was high risk so I never had to really care much, but if I had vulnerable family I would have done everything to avoid covid.

The lockdowns were stupid regardless of what actions anyone was taking. Everyone is going to get covid. We knew since fairly early on that it was going to be endemic. No amount of masking, injections, isolation or even fleeing the country was going to stop anyone from getting it. At that point, we should have just ripped the band-aid off and let it spread; the sooner we reached herd immunity the better shot we had at stopping the virus.

There are people in this thread still arguing, in contravention of all of the publicly available data that the lockdowns had a net benefit on loss of life. I strongly disagree. I personally did nothing to avoid covid and am statistically likely to have had an asymptomatic case. I am not in any high risk population and I wasn't afraid. I just lived my life

How can you argue for unattributed excess deaths being vaccine related when everyone talks about the covid death toll being inflated? I don't understand how people can't see that the anti vaccine/covid narrative has just become what the covid panic narrative was 2 years ago. Same alarmist crap being peddled as facts by Twitter spuds that pick a specific point in a study or data set that tells the narrative they want.

There is a contradiction in your logic here. It's obvious that the death toll from covid was extremely inflated by not distinguishing between death "with" covid vs death "from" covid. If anything that makes the current non-covid excess death rate even all the more extreme. Excess deaths are up 15%+ (in some places 20%+) when compared to the excess death numbers from 2016-2019. This is the most statistically significant rise in non-war related death rates ever. It starts in 2021 and is still continuing today depite covid effectively having mutated to the lethality of a common flu.

What environmental factors changed in 2021 on such a global scale? The combination of the injections and the government Covid policies are causing more death than they prevented. I predict the excess deaths will remain above 10% above normal and gradually decline as fewer and fewer people keep coming back for the shots.
 
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