Social GoldenWolf's COVID Vaccine/Lockdown Protest megathread

[GoldenWolf87]

You didn't answer his question.

Lockdowns are political death. We've seen politicians who laugh off security measures enjoy wild popularity as a result.

Why the hell would a politician kill his own career pushing measures everyone hates?

What are they gaining?

I hear people say government loves the control and they'll never relinquish it, but what sense does that make? This isn't control.

I've hear other paranoiacs say this is just a test to see how far they can push us. Does anyone honestly believe that?

Lockdowns are political death. We've seen politicians who laugh off security measures enjoy wild popularity as a result.

What wild popularity from the so called polls?

I've hear other paranoiacs say this is just a test to see how far they can push us. Does anyone honestly believe that

I understand what they are trying to say and mean by that. I think you will figure it out its not that hard. Look around your community talk to your neighbors how they are doing and stuff. first for the answer.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I am sure the polticans are so scared yet they are problary dining out somewhere in secret restaurants. We are now into nearly 14 months of these lockdowns in the province.

Politicians arent scared of it and dont care for the rules really, it's been the same since day 1. These people know the real truth about the severity of the situation yet many of them seem completely unafraid given their behaviour. Weird isnt it...

 

[Loiosh]

What wild popularity from the so called polls?


I understand what they are trying to say and mean by that. I think you will figure it out its not that hard. Look around your community talk to your neighbors first for the answer.

Can you just answer the questions?

Do you have a concrete position other than "the government is out to get you"?

Seriously. What does the government have to gain from locking down and enforcing masks?

I actually have a spectacular answer to that question but I'd love to hear yours.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Can you just answer the questions?

Do you have a concrete position other than "the government is out to get you"?

Seriously. What does the government have to gain from locking down and enforcing masks?

I actually have a spectacular answer to that question but I'd love to hear yours.

Seriously. What does the government have to gain from locking down and enforcing masks?

Power and Control.
The next time something major happens they will have no problems pushing lockdowns or restrictions such as the current powers that they already have pushed. You think they care about our freedom of charter or rights in this case?

 

[Loiosh]

Power and Control.

That isn't an answer, not really.

They're actually using up a lot of the power they already had trying to enforce mandates. The more they use, the less they have left.

And control? What does that even mean? How does pushing their constituents to the breaking point increase control? (I also have an answer to this question but I'm curious if you do. I just don't think there's the endgame you'd think there was).

 

[HereticBD]

Politicians arent scared of it and dont care for the rules really, it's been the same since day 1. These people know the real truth about the severity of the situation yet many of them seem completely unafraid given their behaviour. Weird isnt it...

Forget the politicians. Dr. Birx traveled for Thanksgiving. When the actual health experts get busted, something's up.

 

[Wet Blanket]

You didn't answer his question.

Lockdowns are political death. We've seen politicians who laugh off security measures enjoy wild popularity as a result.

Why the hell would a politician kill his own career pushing measures everyone hates?

What are they gaining?

I hear people say government loves the control and they'll never relinquish it, but what sense does that make? This isn't control.

I've hear other paranoiacs say this is just a test to see how far they can push us. Does anyone honestly believe that?

Exactly. They want the economy back too.

They don't wanna shell out $$ any longer than they have to.

 

[wlu.29]

You say to the breaking point, but I'd say the population is much more docile and demoralized than they are explosively angry. In the kind of state that allows you to do what you want, which they have.

Anyways, the billionaire class saw their wealth increase by around 3.5 Trillion. If you dont think 3.5T is enough incentive to do something, then nothing will convince you of it and we can just stop discussing it.

Bill gates would have made more money staying at Microsoft than trying to implant you with chip via vaccines

 

[tastaylvr]

You didn't answer his question.

Lockdowns are political death. We've seen politicians who laugh off security measures enjoy wild popularity as a result.

Why the hell would a politician kill his own career pushing measures everyone hates?

What are they gaining?

I hear people say government loves the control and they'll never relinquish it, but what sense does that make? This isn't control.

I've hear other paranoiacs say this is just a test to see how far they can push us. Does anyone honestly believe that?

So they are doing this to protect the populace?

Are you suggesting that politicians are that much smarter than the populace they work for? so they do actions that work against them because they know what's best for them?

What is this called again?

 

[tastaylvr]

Forget the politicians. Dr. Birx traveled for Thanksgiving. When the actual health experts get busted, something's up.

It's funny seeing the politicians who fear monger so much actually live their lives free of fear..

Why is that?

Do they not believe what they are saying or do they think they are smarter than everyone and think they can do thanks giving safely while the dumb populace can not?

seems like arrogance in play

 

[Loiosh]

So they are doing this to protect the populace?

Are you suggesting that politicians are that much smarter than the populace they work for? so they do actions that work against them because they know what's best for them?

What is this called again?

Yes.

And they should be smarter and better informed, that's theoretically why they're chosen to lead.

What people want is not always what they need, and making the hard choice is what separates strong leaders from weak.

I imagine for most this is a tough choice, and for sure there's a political price to pay. I believe they're making the choice that's best for the common good, and in the end most individuals aren't going to care at all about that.

 

[genecop]

And to think at one time I was considering a move to Canada...

 

[genecop]

Yes.

And they should be smarter and better informed, that's theoretically why they're chosen to lead.

What people want is not always what they need, and making the hard choice is what separates strong leaders from weak.

I imagine for most this is a tough choice, and for sure there's a political price to pay. I believe they're making the choice that's best for the common good, and in the end most individuals aren't going to care at all about that.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Who's talking about Bill Gates? Some people never let a good crisis go to waste. Hence politicians using this to fund "the new economy", the ushering in of UBI without protest.

-no economy = pass UBI
-no economy = take tax payer dollars and line the pockets of people who donate to campaigns
-small businesses dying = more economies of scale
-small businesses dying = more wealth in less hands, if you befriend the few mega wealthy and remove the little guys you run it all

I know you are trying to go over the top to make the other sides argument ridiculous, but if you ever took a history course beyond the high school level you'd know of some of the crazy shit through out human history.

Lets not forget now they have pushed a newer restriction not seen from the older restrictions. Stores should sell essential items, that means stores that have toys or shirts, you wont be able to buy them unless you can buy them from Amazon or Ebay. I just dont have faith anymore when the polticans claim that the lockdown would last just another four more weeks this is what they said about the last one to. It would last one more week.

 

[genecop]

 

[wlu.29]

Who's talking about Bill Gates? Some people never let a good crisis go to waste. Hence politicians using this to fund "the new economy", the ushering in of UBI without protest.

-no economy = pass UBI
-no economy = take tax payer dollars and line the pockets of people who donate to campaigns
-small businesses dying = more economies of scale
-small businesses dying = more wealth in less hands, if you befriend the few mega wealthy and remove the little guys you run it all

I know you are trying to go over the top to make the other sides argument ridiculous, but if you ever took a history course beyond the high school level you'd know of some of the crazy shit through out human history.

Ubi was already being thought of due to automation moreso than this pandemic

I don't see the money trail of tax payer money going to "donors", at least in Canada, show me some proof

I attribute to malice that can be adequately explained by stupidity, in this case, just general no body knows, but i don't see the mega wealthy as the orchestrator of this intentionally benefitting themselves

Weston family one of the richest in Canada aint profiting, loblaw had shit eps growth despite being open the entire pandemic

I dont see owners of skyscrapers sitting vacant with everyone working from home profiting

I don't see cineplex profiting by being shut down

 

[M4R5]

It's nice to see that the war room is filled with normal people. Ufc discussion is filled with the worst type of people.

 

[wlu.29]

Lets not forget now they have pushed a newer restriction not seen from the older restrictions. Stores should sell essential items, that means stores that have toys or shirts, you wont be able to buy them unless you can buy them from Amazon or Ebay. I just dont have faith anymore when the polticans claim that the lockdown would last just another four more weeks this is what they said about the last one to. It would last one more week.

You never answered me when i asked you where do you live that you see huge line ups at food bank

 

[Dr Stoppage]

You didn't answer his question.

Lockdowns are political death. We've seen politicians who laugh off security measures enjoy wild popularity as a result.

Why the hell would a politician kill his own career pushing measures everyone hates?

What are they gaining?

I hear people say government loves the control and they'll never relinquish it, but what sense does that make? This isn't control.

I've hear other paranoiacs say this is just a test to see how far they can push us. Does anyone honestly believe that?

You almost sound as if politicians and bureaucrats do not have a natural tendency towards authoritarianism. Basically, every single organized state that emerged from the Bronze Age up to, say, 250 years ago was disposed, to varying degrees of aggressiveness, to enforcing their power and control over their population as best as they could (you’ll find plenty of examples even in the 20th and 21st centuries). Historically, that is the general rule, not the exception. Why, may I ask you?

 

[Loiosh]

You almost sound as if politicians and bureaucrats do not have a natural tendency towards authoritarianism. Basically, every single organized state that emerged from the Bronze Age up to, say, 250 years ago was disposed, to varying degrees of aggressiveness, to enforcing their power and control over their population as best as they could (you’ll find plenty of examples even in the 20th and 21st centuries). Historically, that is the general rule, not the exception. Why, may I ask you?

That's a complicated topic and I'll I'm going to say is that I agree because authoritarianism is the easiest way to govern, but my position here is that this issue is ugly and the things they're doing carry a heavy political price.

If you want to zero in on things that are concerning, I'd focus on the vaccine passports. While I agree in principle they might be a necessary evil, that's a potential long-term sacrifice of liberty. If I was in the position to debate law makers on the implementation, I'd insist on a shelf life.