Social GoldenWolf's COVID Vaccine/Lockdown Protest megathread

[Heisenboom]

Mask do protect people from COVID though. I know you guys are going to say "b-but its only 9%" and yet 9% is more than nothing. Cloth masks and N95s offer even more protection so if they wear those then its even better.

https://docilebritain.com/2021/07/16/do-face-masks-actually-help-let-us-check-the-studies/

Some interesting study links.

 

[boxingskills]

 

[Shadiata]

You know if you put anything on your face, it will protect you better than nothing. Paper bag, dirty sock... you can protect yourself and other with these too.

That's awesome news

 

[SKYNET]

Or some measures, just the impression I get is a lot of Americans haven't been following the rules. Maybe I'm wrong.

No problem, allow me to shed some light on this issue here in my crazy American nation. There are a very small percentage between 5 or 10 percent that have not complied whatsoever since the start, Crazy buffoons if you ask me but who am I to judge?

There is a large group that complied all last year right up until the CDC in March 2021 said it was OK to go maskless and back to normal if you were fully vaxxed and now they are so fed up with the whole notion of the censorship, the lies by the media and the distrust of the government becoming the new normal, so yes that group they've had enough and are giving everyone the finger if you don't like what they are doing.

The rest are mentally in a bind and are in constant fear and not only do they comply over everything that anyone who didn't vote for Trump says, they want to extend themselves to be the tyrannical authoritarian police and want you to comply or they will lie and spread propaganda and will defend every possible draconian measure the current regime (media + big tech + politicians + intel) tries to institute upon our historically free society

pardon me if I come across as aggressive or abrasive towards you, I assure you I simply do it out of the respect I have for you as a poster here

 

[Islam Imamate]

What? I've worked in Public Health for over 26 years. I've been vaccinated since January. Public Health Officials aren't perfect and don't have all of the answers . . . the tone of folks I've worked with over the last decade plus has changed dramatically from the Trump to Biden admin. It's ridiculous how much politics has started driving this response.

Oh yeah public health was politicized at all under Trump, its nasty ole Biden who has done that

So you resent folks who would normally get vaccinated with other more well researched vaccinations because they're waiting for more adverse reaction data to be available? Really?

If they are the type to mask up and observe social distancing then no. But it seems that more often than not those who don't want the vaccine don't want to adhere to any COVID related public health measures and those people are prolonging the pandemic and I resent them for it.

 

[PhitePhan]

Have you by any chance ever read a study of this type pre covid? It's how it's written because conclusions can change. It just means that they found no conclusive evidence that these vaccines cause those conditions. No study will ever say there are no adverse reactions ever because it's impossible to say that. A sore arm is a vaccine adverse reaction...

So you STILL didn't read the actual information I cited...

What the book chapter is saying, is that we don't know if Hep B vaccines cause many different injuries (e.g., encephalitis and encephalopathy, seizures, transverse myelitis, optic neuritis, multiple sclerosis, etc.) because there aren't any good studies examining these potential adverse events.

"No studies were identified in the literature for the committee to evaluate the risk of [insert numerous diseases] after the administration of hepatitis B vaccine." "The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between hepatitis B vaccine and [insert numerous diseases]."

This isn't difficult to understand nor is this purely technical jargon as you appear to be claiming. I'm not sure if you are being disingenuous, or maybe I just don't understand your argument... What this information tells us, is that they haven't found any "conclusive evidence that these vaccines cause those conditions," because they aren't looking/there's no science one way or the other.

Imagine this conversation in the doctor's office:

Parent: "What are the risks associated with the hep b vaccine?"

Doctor: "Although professionals have raised concerns about hep b vaccination and [insert numerous injuries], there haven't been any very good studies looking at hep b and [insert numerous potential adverse events]... so we just don't know."

Parent: "Good enough for me, inject away!"


In reality, health authorities can't say one way or another if the hep b vaccines cause various injuries, and these products have been on the market for decades. Unfortunately, this is the case with other vaccines as well (e.g. MMR vaccine was described as having "Inadequate safety data," nearly 60 years after it came into widespread use).

I am saying that we vaccinate against Hep B because it's not that hard to contract through other peoples actions outside our control.

You think it is hard to keep your child from being exposed to IV drugs or sexual assault?

 

[maximus__]

Why are they crazy buffoons?

People believing the following have been trapped inside in echo chambers....

Covid isn't real. It's just a cold.

It has cold like properties, but it's pretty blood good at killing vulnerable people.

The Great reset:
The issue with that argument is not everyone applied the same approach to covid and some countries actually supported their people.

People believing the Government is organised enough to have planned something on this scale, when anyone who has ever worked for the government just knows that they are so incompetent they have just screwed this up from the beginning, panicked and went with the doomsday scenario because they know we don't stand a chance if this is actually bad in anyway.

 

[Natural Order]

you speak of elections and anarchy in the same breath? LOL

You assume there is no transition? It's not all or nothing....

 

[spamking]

Oh yeah public health was politicized at all under Trump, its nasty ole Biden who has done that

I never said it had never been politicized before . . . I said it's much worse today than previous administrations. You can believe it or not, but I'd say my working for Uncle Sam since 95 gives me just a slightly different perspective than the general public.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I took my first ever pcr test to fly home from vacation in July. I have THE worst gag reflex ever. I'd be the worst gay man ever, I gag brushing my molars (Or I suppose the best gay man, depends on what turns you on innit).

I told the nurse this combined with "I had a fucking HEAVY night last night and you might get sprayed here".

She opted out of the throat and did both nostrils instead. Negative.flew home.

Had to do a home pcr test on day 2. I thought "right let's try the throat ". Spewed up hard.

Used a fresh kit and did both nostrils, negative. Did I do it correctly or did I rub it around my bellend for 30 seconds?

Nobody knows.

Negative.

I didn't rub it on my bellend for the record!

 

[Islam Imamate]

I never said it had never been politicized before . . . I said it's much worse today than previous administrations. You can believe it or not, but I'd say my working for Uncle Sam since 95 gives me just a slightly different perspective than the general public.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum.

Humans used to have natural vetting processes, which have now been destroyed through technology. Any retard can become the gold standard, any day of the week; as evidenced by America's back-to-back election of blatant geriatric conmen. As evidenced by the global worship of corporations and brands.

Anarchy is the ultimate reality of individualism and we're experiencing it in peak form right now.

Too much government control ! Yet we are in anarchy!

 

[spamking]

I'm shocked.

 

[maximus__]

So you STILL didn't read the actual information I cited...

What the book chapter is saying, is that we don't know if Hep B vaccines cause many different injuries (e.g., encephalitis and encephalopathy, seizures, transverse myelitis, optic neuritis, multiple sclerosis, etc.) because there aren't any good studies examining these potential adverse events.

"No studies were identified in the literature for the committee to evaluate the risk of [insert numerous diseases] after the administration of hepatitis B vaccine."

"The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between hepatitis B vaccine and [insert numerous diseases]."

This isn't difficult to understand nor is this purely technical jargon as you appear to be claiming. What this information tells is that they haven't found any "conclusive evidence that these vaccines cause those conditions," because they aren't looking.

Imagine this conversation in the doctor's office:

Parent: "What are the risks associated with the hep b vaccine?"

Doctor: "Although professionals have raised concerns about hep b vaccination and [insert numerous injuries], there haven't been any very good studies looking at hep b and [insert numerous potential adverse events]... so we just don't know."

Parent: "Good enough for me, inject away!"


In reality, health authorities can't say one way or another if the hep b vaccines cause various injuries, and these products have been on the market for decades. Unfortunately, this is the case with other vaccines as well (e.g. MMR vaccine was described as having "Inadequate safety data," nearly 60 years after it came into widespread use).



You think it is hard to keep your child from being exposed to IV drugs or sexual assault?

So you think that it wouldn't have come out now that Hep B vaccination caused issues after many countries implemented it as part of their vaccine dosing schedule?
We can borderline cure Hep B in vaccinated countries and you think the vaccination is dangerous because a study hasn't been shown to link adverse effects to it...
We literally get pumped full of shots to go on holidays in certain places, but you want to run the risk of Hep B, because it hasn't been shown to have a negative effect on people and the study you linked doesn't say it's 100% safe. Show me anything that says it is 100% right in a study of that kind. The whole idea is to build evidence of a hypothesis, what you linked just covers side effects and says there isn't data to show that the vaccination causes that specific response. That's it.

This is just a dumb path to go down. The worst thing that ever happened was making people stay at home and get trapped in echo chambers for anti vax,conspiracy theory websites. Everyone thinks they are an expert because they read random papers supporting their views.

Keeping your child from IV drugs and Sexual assault is one thing, preventing them from being exposed to a accidental needle stick injury or another persons infected blood is a completely different story for their entire life. Imagine if you could just vaccinate the majority of that risk away as Hep B is one of the more contagious blood borne viruses. Children also has less effects from the vaccine compared to adults, makes sense to me.

 

[PUO3]

 

[maximus__]

What would you call those who believe I should lose access to society unless I take a vaccine that has "just as much chance of killing me than covid"?



There is clearly a planned reset of society taking place. Im really not sure how anyone doesn't see it yet. But perhaps I take the insights Ive gained over the years for granted and its actually not so readily apparent to the uneducated, unread, and inexperienced mind.

Anyone who calls someone a buffoon for believing this are just outing themselves.



Its not "govt" doing the resetting. Its small groups of people working within govts all across the world who are organizing this. Theyre called globalists, marxists, communists, ect.

And no, its not a seamless execution. They're breaking a few eggs to make some omelettes along the way. But either way its clearly and obviously happening.

Thank god these random youtubers and internet sleuths somehow managed to uncover this global conspiracy when nobody else could. People are just insider trading and making themselves richer. Luckily these people have VPN so the alleged most powerful people in the world can't track them whilst they troll YouTube, Facebook and Twitter sharing the real truth's about these groups. Sent from my Iphone

 

[2fast2see]

Olberman, the guy that promoted Russiagate

 

[2fast2see]

 

[PhitePhan]

So you think that it wouldn't have come out now that Hep B vaccination caused issues after many countries implemented it as part of their vaccine dosing schedule?
We can borderline cure Hep B in vaccinated countries and you think the vaccination is dangerous because a study hasn't been shown to link adverse effects to it...

I didn't link "A study," I linked a review of ALL available safety research for the Hep B vaccines and several potential adverse events, which was compiled/reviewed by the Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines; Institute of Medicine.

The most accurate answer we can give to the question of, "Do hep b vaccines cause [insert numerous adverse events]?" is, "We don't know."

This is just a dumb path to go down. The worst thing that ever happened was making people stay at home and get trapped in echo chambers for anti vax,conspiracy theory websites. Everyone thinks they are an expert because they read random papers supporting their views.

Giving up already? Not a good look to stoop to name-calling so soon, but I can't say I'm too surprised...

BTW, what did I say that was conspiratorial? I mean, I can only assume you are putting that out there because you can't actually rebut anything I've posted, but just in case you spotted something, I'd like to know what it was.

Children also has less effects from the vaccine compared to adults...

Source?

 

[BoxingFan653]

Sincerely not trying to agitate any one I am just genuinely confused here.

I'm 37 years old and have been around the medical industry since I was 18. I've been in both human medicine and veterinary medicine. I have dedicated my life to this profession and I am just trying to understand how it is that everything I have ever known about medicine is being questioned all of a sudden. It's like being a mathematician for nearly 20 years and all of a sudden 1+1 isnt 2 any more.

I was told during my surgical internship masks are used to prevent bacteria from entering the body cavity but they do almost nothing for viruses. In my emergency residency I was taught that masks do nothing to transmit viruses and to always remember that. My surgical mentor used to show us how easily vape passes through masks to make us understand the idea of a mask is not that nothing gets through but rather it gets redirected through the side of your mask to avoid getting the person in front of you sick. Perhaps I was given false information here? However, a virus is so small it can EASILY pass through a mask was my understanding until 2020. Even Dr. Fauci stated this in his initial interview about masks. All of a sudden in 2020-2021 there are magically new studies on how it helps prevent transmission of COVID.

I have also been trained for years in public health and vaccines. Upper respiratory viruses which is what COVID is similarly to influenza do NOT go away due to a vaccine but rather your symptoms are less severe. Is the argument that if some one was vaccinated they would have less severe symptoms thus the spread would be marginalized? I simply DO NOT understand the medical reasoning behind the mandatory vaccines. This is NOT polio or anything like that....there is NO beating COVID only maintaining it.

Imagine if I told you in 2019 force the flu vaccine and masks so that we can beat the flu forever. You'd have a lot of doctors laughing at you. However, all of a sudden that is our game plan because COVID is different some how? That's not happening...yeah you'd definitely see a lot less cases but you're not 'beating' the flu. Imagine now that COVID is 3 x more contagious and more dangerous.

So what am I missing here? What's the core argument about these supposed 'hot spots' of covid due to low vaccination? I cant seem to find one doctor who knows the answer.

Sincerely,

a doctor that is sad to say goodbye to so many nurses due to this ridiculousness