GOAT Rankings. Just our individual Sher-expert opinions. March Update.

[Striker Fox]

Fedor AS and GSP don't belong in the P4P GOAT rankings IMO.

Why is that?

 

[ferrisjso]

Lol, get off the gas. Those three are unquestionable undisputed GOATs of their divisions. All three have extremely impressive resumes and long title reigns.

No no they are not.

It's really inexcusable to put any in the P4P GOAT discussion at this point or maybe even as the GOAT of their division. AS has the strongest case to be the GOAT in his division only because there's no viable alternative but prime AS would be a dog against every MW great after Rich Franklin IMO. None of said greats have a better resume than AS but they'd all beat him IMO.

GSP lost to Serra and his resume is largely held up by 1-2 big fights. Then you got him fleeing the Hendricks rematch and a rapidly improving WW division and coming back to snatch the belt from Bisping.

And don't get me started on Fedor. Dude just retired I'm not going to relitigate the great sherdog wars of the 2010s.

 

[Fight Professor]

GSP
Jones (these rankings are PED agnostic)
Anderson
Fedor (he is the HW and JMMA GOAT but I cannot rank him higher on the overall GOAT list)
Conor (double champ in 2 orgs, amazing title wins, brought MMA for bare knuckles nice sport to a legit sport)
Aldo
Mighty Mouse
Khabib
BJ
DC (not enough HW (truely) top wins and was only the LHW champ because Jones was absent)
Shogun/Bendo/Edgar/Hendo

 

[HHJ]

Useless discussion !!!!!!

no one is gonna solve SHIT in here ahaha

 

[Travis Alexander]

I've done my findingz based on "level of competition" & give ONE GOAT POINT for every legit high quality win.

I've been drug through teh mud for decades... & teh entire time since I first posted it, however, I adapted my list as your generous though sarcastic retorts would validate. iow... I actually listened & compared what I felt were valid retorts through teh years & this is what I've come up with for high quality wins.

Fedor = 9 – Arona, Herring, Big Nog (Twice) , Cro Cop, Hunt, Arlovski, Sobrol, Coleman I (not 2) (Monson always right there at the gate but never really broke through. Shout out to 60 wins). (This was one of the trickiest lists to develop) (Must consider his run as a multiple Sambo world champ during his GOAT run that the others didn’t have.)

GSP = 9 –Karo, Heiron, Mayhem, Sherk, Fitch, Shieds, Condit, Hendricks, Hughes (but the 2nd Hughes win I'm hard pressed to count due to Hughes not looking all there & proving that point by losing a lot after that & fighting people about to retire.) (Bisping had the belt at the time so that’s a strong case for another GOAT point, but he didn't look that good against a slower GSP & got ktfo in his next fight. I also thought Hendo took the belt from Bisping) (shoutout to an undersized Penn)

Aldo = 8 (9) – Cub, Uriah, Lamas, Jung, Edgar (twice) Mendez (twice) (I'm not going to argue with someone if they think Aldo won that Marlon Moraes fight.)

Spider = 8 – Horn, Franklin (twice), Marquardt, Maia, Belfort, Chael, Hendo (Brunson & Leben are both tough calls because they were kind of the gate keepers "just under the gate"... to the top of the division & they kept a lot of good guys beat back but neither of them quite got past the gate themselves. So shout out for both of those wins but I don't think he gets the GOAT point.)(No GOAT point for Spider’s Newton win due to him stalling on the ground to create that standup that won him the fight. He even got the yellow card.)

Jones = 8 – Shogun, Bader, Machida, Vitor, Gus1 (not Gus 2), Teix, Lionheart, & DC (DC Once… the 2nd one he cheated) (Gus just got dun beating Teix before Jones 2 which is a helluva win, but he didn't look the same vs Jones & he certainly didn't after. It's a tough call that could be debated but for now I'm not giving him one.)(I really question Lionhearts win over Gus being proof that he's over the gate because clearly something's gone missing in Gus, but atm I gave it to him & by extension, Jones' GOAT point) - The new look of the division is very difficult to access, because there's no real gate atm. All these guys that were under the gate all of a sudden moved into the top spots.

Couture - 8 –Vitor x2, Horn, Randleman, Rizzo x2, Liddell, Tito (Couture was a 2 division champ) (could give him a shout for Tim Silvia who didn't look good at all & went on to prove something went missing... but he did have the belt when Couture fought him.) (Gonzaga went on to beat Ben Rothwell but that's a little to little too late. That was cool the way Gabe KO'ed CroCop, but it was the hype from that win that got him the title shot. After seeing CroCops following record in the cage I'm not sure it was even justified so it's hard to give a GOAT point for that)

Sakuraba = 7 - Conan, Vernon White, Carlos Newton, Belfort, 90 min Royce followed by HW Igor fight (that he threw down in), Rampage, Randleman (I have a pretty detailed breakdown about his career that I wrote out while working on this list... but with Conan & Vernon both being mid-tier fighters with only one considerable win vs "fairly" top competition after fighting Saku, it should be noted that Saku gets their GOAT point due to that + the weight difference + a masterful performance throwing it over the top.) (Please ask for further breakdown if you doubt this)

Stipe = 7 - Hunt, Arlovski, Werdum, Reem, JDS, Ngannou, DC 2 (not DC3, DC said he was going to wrestle & then gassed after one attempt... clearly beyond his prime in his retirement fight... plus the Eye poke makes me question a GOAT point too - Karma right... lol)

DC = 7 - "prime & juiced" Bigfoot, Barnett, Rumble 1 (not 2), Gus, Volkan, Black Beast, Stipe (DC was a 2 division champ) (shout out to MW Hendo & Spider) (Black Beast could be questioned but he's been on the upper side of the gate holding everyone back & say what you want about the way he moves... the man gets results. I give it to DC's talent for making it look fairly easy)

Mouse = 7 - Benevidez (twice), Dodson (twice), Moraga, Kyoji, Cejudo (I haven't considered his ONE fights)

Matt Hughes – 6 (9) Akihiro Gono, Newton (x2), Sherk, GSP, BJ Penn, (BJ Penn is questionable, because he was undersized, and I didn’t give GSP credit for his Penn win which was one fight apart, but because Penn caught Hughes in a sub prior to that, I gave Hughes a GOAT point for returning the favor with strikes. I wouldn't really argue with someone one way or the other too much about Giving Hughes a GOAT point for Penn for the reason's stated. I can see both sides of that difficult question. Penn bless.) (maybe Dave Menne, Doerksen, Sakurai. It was very challenging going through his earlier record because I didn’t know most of them, but I spent the time to tediously look into them. These 3 “maybe’s” were upper level guys but I question whether they were above the gate… I might be convinced if someone wants to make that case, we'll watch the fights again & see what we think. At the least, they should get honorable mention.)

Spoiler: Pride fight fixing debunked

Edit: Pride waz admittedly a "fix" for teh firs 10 events. After that, they realized what they had & they became more legit. Chael sayz that fights were still rigged after that due to people "losing" on purpose in certain fights, (while the winner was oblivious to teh fix) but I find that hard to digest at the upper most level regarding Fedor's "significant" wins. I just don't think those top fighters would've sold their top spot for pay. I could be wrong, but anyone wanting to contest that can bring their gripe to teh table and lets discuss it. I've already discussed many... so please have a valid retort if you feel to bother me with this kind of denial.

Firstly, I love your list it is very well thought out and easy to digest. With that said why do you feel GSP deserves a “goat point” for the Jay Heiron fight. I just don’t see it and to me it only opens the door to others on the list deserving a point for certain victories that to me were more important than GSP’s over Jay.

 

[Mackenzie Dern's Accent]

1-3: Fedor, Jones, GSP
4. Anderson
5. Mighty Mouse
6. Cormier
7-9. Big Nog, Aldo, Khabib
10. BJ Penn

HM: Sakuraba, Frank Shamrock, Werdum, Hughes, Volkanovski, Shogun

 

[Simple Southerner]

Fedor
Jones
Ando
Gsp
Aldo
Hendo
Khabib
Mighty mouse
Shogun
Amanda nunes

 

[Bouboumaster]

GSP
Fedor
Mighty Mouse
Aldo
Nunes


With PEDs cheats

GSP/Jones
Fedor
A. Silva
Mighty Mouse

 

[AmonTobin]

Nice list. I've never even thought about a top 10 before.
1 GSP
2 Fedor
3 DJ
4 Khabib
5 Jones
6 Israel
7 Islam (more to be revealed)
8 Volk
9 DC
10 Anthony Johnson / Dom Cruz

 

[Yojimbonufc]

Is there a top 5 or top 10 we can all agree on? Nope. No need to get bent if a UFC guy ranks UFC guys higher... or Bellator guys... or OG Pride / Strikeforce guys.

I doubt there is anyone on here, not trolling that even has the same top 10 as myself.

1 GSP
2 Fedor
3 Jones
4 Anderson
5 Khabib
6 DJ
7 Hendo
8 Stipe
9 Aldo
10 DC

Post yours and find your long lost Sher-brother

I'm just happy you have Hendo in there. Solid list.

 

[orca]

Drug cheats shouldn't be in the discussion ..

Fedor
GSP
Aldo
DC
Khabib
MM
Triple C
BJ
Hendo
Shogun

pretty sure fedor was using . still u put his name at number one.are u going to quote me and defend him and tell me that hes the only one on pride not using and is innocent?

 

[DS7]

1-Jon Jones
2-Anderson Silva
3-Demetrious Johnson
4-GSP
5-Fedor
6-José Aldo
7-Khabib
8-Daniel Cormier
9-BJ Penn
10-Stipe Miocic


The top 5 all have an argument for #1.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

1-Jon Jones
2-Anderson Silva
3-Demetrious Johnson
4-GSP
5-Fedor
6-José Aldo
7-Khabib
8-Daniel Cormier
9-BJ Penn
10-Stipe Miocic


The top 5 all have an argument for #1.

No doubt if Jones wins next month I will really consider him GOAT of GOAT... Now if he wins and defends only haters will not have him #1.

 

[drbolony]

Top 5 G.O.A.T list:
1. George "Rush" St-Pierre
2. Jon "Bones" Jones
3. Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko
4. Jose "Scarface" Aldo Jr.
5. Anderson "The Spider" Silva

Top 5 minus (known) P.E.D violators:
1. George "Rush" St-Pierre
2. Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianenko
3. Jose "Scarface" Aldo Jr.
4. Demetrious "Mighty Mouse" Johnson
5. Alexander "The Great" Volkanovski

***Volkanovski catapults himself to #2 with a win on Saturday imo
**My top criteria are level of opposition and diversity of skill set
*Henry Cejudo should be on the list, but I'm biased against him for being a Moreno hater

 

[OneOfOne]

1-4: Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP
5-6: Aldo, Mighty Mouse
7-10: Hughes, Big Nog, Hendo, Cruz

11-20: DC, JDS, Cain, Stipe, Wanderlei, Chuck, Izzy, Kumaru, BJ, Khabib, Volk

21-30: Couture, Barnett, Cro Cop, Werdum, Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto, Vitor, Max, Cejudo

31-40: Francis, Frank S, Rashad, Tito, Woodley, Robbie, Benson, Gomi, Conor, TJ

41-50: Sylvia, Arlovski, Alistair, Bas, Coleman, Rich, Shields, Condit, Frankie, Poirier

F*ck that was tough.

For a reference point: Jones beat 5 top 50 fighters. GSP beat 4. Anderson beat 3. Aldo & Mighty Mouse beat 1.

Fedor beat 7.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

1-4: Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP
5-6: Aldo, Mighty Mouse
7-10: Hughes, Big Nog, Hendo, Cruz

11-20: DC, JDS, Cain, Stipe, Wanderlei, Chuck, Izzy, Kumaru, BJ, Khabib, Volk

21-30: Couture, Barnett, Cro Cop, Werdum, Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto, Vitor, Max, Cejudo

31-40: Francis, Frank S, Rashad, Tito, Woodley, Robbie, Benson, Gomi, Conor, TJ

41-50: Sylvia, Arlovski, Alistair, Bas, Coleman, Rich, Shields, Condit, Frankie, Poirier

F*ck that was tough.

For a reference point: Jones beat 5 top 50 fighters. GSP beat 4. Anderson beat 3. Aldo & Mighty Mouse beat 1.

Fedor beat 7.

Dang. My man killed it... I can't even remember 50 fighters since the UFC died in 1993.

 

[Prologue]

Minowaman
Satish Jha
Phil Brooks
Everyone else...

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

1-4: Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP
5-6: Aldo, Mighty Mouse
7-10: Hughes, Big Nog, Hendo, Cruz

11-20: DC, JDS, Cain, Stipe, Wanderlei, Chuck, Izzy, Kumaru, BJ, Khabib, Volk

21-30: Couture, Barnett, Cro Cop, Werdum, Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto, Vitor, Max, Cejudo

31-40: Francis, Frank S, Rashad, Tito, Woodley, Robbie, Benson, Gomi, Conor, TJ

41-50: Sylvia, Arlovski, Alistair, Bas, Coleman, Rich, Shields, Condit, Frankie, Poirier

F*ck that was tough.

For a reference point: Jones beat 5 top 50 fighters. GSP beat 4. Anderson beat 3. Aldo & Mighty Mouse beat 1.

Fedor beat 7.

Nice list. Just curious where would you rank Islam and alex pereira

 

[OneOfOne]

Nice list. Just curious where would you rank Islam and alex pereira

Its hard to say. Islam has a great record and a UFC title but he only has 3-4 top 10 wins. If he beats Volk that would probably catapult him into the top 40.

Alex with only 7 fights just doesn't have enough of a resume. If he can defend his title a few times that would get him into the top 50 at least.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Is there a top 5 or top 10 we can all agree on? Nope. No need to get bent if a UFC guy ranks UFC guys higher... or Bellator guys... or OG Pride / Strikeforce guys.

I doubt there is anyone on here, not trolling that even has the same top 10 as myself.

1 GSP
2 Fedor
3 Jones
4 Anderson
5 Khabib
6 DJ
7 Hendo
8 Stipe
9 Aldo
10 DC

Post yours and find your long lost Sher-brother

Mine is:

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Jon Jones (He can be the GOAT if he wins the HW title and defends it twice)
4. Anderson Silva
5. Khabib
6. Aldo
7. Mighty Mouse
8. Hendo
9. Stipe
10. DC