Glover dominated Jake Shields in a pure grappling match, Santos shouldn't hang his head

[G10]

A few months back, Glover absolutely ragdolled Shields in a straight BJJ match so I don't understand why everyone thinks Santos and Smith are undeserving black belts and terrible on the ground

Glover also beat Dean Lister under ADCC rules and dominated and finished ADCC NA trials winner Cirkunov on the ground in MMA

Well Santos seemed to forget how to shrimp and frame. Basic bjj skills.

His legs were on the ground doing nothing while Tex was on top. Santos could have been on the beach getting a tan the way his legs and hips were just chilling out.

You bring up an interesting point about Santos. Despite allegedly having good BJJ, I have never seen him use it effectively in a fight. Eric Spicely grappled him like he was a white belt, for Pete's sake. It seems like he just doesn't think about using it at all in the cage.

 

[Dirge]

Guys who get outweighed by 50+ lbs submit elite big guys all the time in no-gi

Glover walks at around 230, Shields at 200ish so it's not like it was a heavyweight vs lightweight or something

Yep...

How much did Gabi Garcia outweigh Mackenzie Dern in their match by? 100 pounds?

And that was with gi. skill trumps size in pure BJJ

And remember Shields outgrappled Hendo

 

[eternaldarkness]

Well Santos seemed to forget how to shrimp and frame. Basic bjj skills.

His legs were on the ground doing nothing while Tex was on top. Santos could have been on the beach getting a tan the way his legs and hips were just chilling out.

Ever tried framing when someone is elbowing you?

 

[theleerygoose]

Guys who get outweighed by 50+ lbs submit elite big guys all the time in no-gi

Glover walks at around 230, Shields at 200ish so it's not like it was a heavyweight vs lightweight or something

If the skillset is vastly different thats true.

If two men have the exact same skillset and all else is equal, and one is bigger and stronger, he will win 9/10 times.

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

Yes. But Shields chose to fight, so...

You mean like Santos chose to fight and lost which TS is now making excuses for?

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Glover's top game is solid. He's super heavy on top. Problem is in MMA, he just has to get to that position and shown to be vulnerable leading up to that point.

 

[bigconan]

Guys who get outweighed by 50+ lbs submit elite big guys all the time in no-gi

Glover walks at around 230, Shields at 200ish so it's not like it was a heavyweight vs lightweight or something

all things being equal, the bigger heavier guy will almost always win...that's the law of the jungle.

 

[Andreh]

You mean like Santos chose to fight and lost which TS is now making excuses for?

I am talking about Shields.

 

[dog y]

Glover is also starting to get his old man strength, so it really wasn't even fair for Shields

Starting to? Imagine him at 55...

Also, Shields is 41. He should have some OMS as well...

 

[HaulParris]

A few months back, Glover absolutely ragdolled Shields in a straight BJJ match so I don't understand why everyone thinks Santos and Smith are undeserving black belts and terrible on the ground

Glover also beat Dean Lister under ADCC rules and dominated and finished ADCC NA trials winner Cirkunov on the ground in MMA

Hespect to Glover. Legit skills + high level experience + old man strength + great fight IQ.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Shields is, I believe, much smaller than Glover, isnt he?

I was going to say, they have weight classes for a reason.

 

[pankrat]

Which makes the way Phil Davis dominated him in the ground even more impressive

 

[pick999]

Glover is lhw while Jake is ww big difference

 

[BigTruck]

That's hard to believe.

You are not elite if you are getting subbed by a much smaller elite grappler.

Gonzaga got subbed by Maia

 

[Turdbucket]

He knew the risks of taking on a top 5 fighter after a 2 year and multi surgery break.

He chose.....poorly.

I'm not judging him harshly either. I'm just saying with 2 paths - wade in slowly and work your way back up, or jump straight back into the shark infested deep end - he chose the riskier path with higher immediate reward.

No he actually felt he chose the easy path with high reward until grandpa Glover ruined it by granite head and crazy veteran skills.