Glover dominated Jake Shields in a pure grappling match, Santos shouldn't hang his head

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by TFK20, Nov 11, 2020.

  1. TFK20 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2020
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    831
    A few months back, Glover absolutely ragdolled Shields in a straight BJJ match so I don't understand why everyone thinks Santos and Smith are undeserving black belts and terrible on the ground

    Glover also beat Dean Lister under ADCC rules and dominated and finished ADCC NA trials winner Cirkunov on the ground in MMA
     
  2. Po Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,266
    Likes Received:
    51

    Well Santos seemed to forget how to shrimp and frame. Basic bjj skills.

    His legs were on the ground doing nothing while Tex was on top. Santos could have been on the beach getting a tan the way his legs and hips were just chilling out.
     
  3. CannotWin Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,223
    Likes Received:
    299
    Location:
    Rio de Janeiro
    Shields is, I believe, much smaller than Glover, isnt he?
     
    markg171, GhostNote, MMAart and 32 others like this.
  4. TFK20 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2020
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    831
    Guys who get outweighed by 50+ lbs submit elite big guys all the time in no-gi

    Glover walks at around 230, Shields at 200ish so it's not like it was a heavyweight vs lightweight or something
     
  5. loyalyolayal Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2010
    Messages:
    35,415
    Likes Received:
    4,474
    Glover is a blackbelt mundial nogi gold medalist.
     
    BlackPanther, bleeder, MMAart and 6 others like this.
  6. Krixes The Undefeated Gaul Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2017
    Messages:
    11,378
    Likes Received:
    5,753
    Location:
    Always moving
    Glover is very high level on the ground and easily has 30-40lbs of muscle on Jake. Shields is a great grappler but Glover is a beast of man with great grappling as well.
     
    MMAart, Uber_Noober, cyanogen and 4 others like this.
  7. gotBooched maximus entertainus

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    9,041
    Likes Received:
    666
    if both guys are elite the size will make for a huge difference
     
    wufabufa, cyanogen, BigTruck and 17 others like this.
  8. OmegaRugal Red Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    8,952
    Likes Received:
    738
    That's hard to believe.

    You are not elite if you are getting subbed by a much smaller elite grappler.
     
  9. TFK20 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2020
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    831
    Featherweight Lachlan Giles submitted three elite heavyweights at ADCC with ease

    Gordon Ryan dominated Buchecha who outweighed him by 50lbs
     
  10. OmegaRugal Red Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    8,952
    Likes Received:
    738
    Exceptions to the rule. It can happen with a special talent but it not something you should expect if the skills are equal at elite level.
     
    wufabufa, B0mbSquad, 3879 and 4 others like this.
  11. SolarSeiko Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2019
    Messages:
    1,891
    Likes Received:
    464
    gordon is also juiced to the fuckin gills
     
    bleeder likes this.
  12. TFK20 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2020
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    831
    So are all of his opponents lol

    And so is Shields
     
  13. Lethal_Striker Silver Belt

    Joined:
    May 3, 2005
    Messages:
    14,929
    Likes Received:
    561
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Shields hasn't fought in 2 years so there's chance that Shields is walking around much bigger than he used to be. If Shields decided to fight again it would probably be at MW so in reality there's only 1 division inbetween them.
     
    TFK20 likes this.
  14. SandaKicker Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2019
    Messages:
    1,400
    Likes Received:
    389
    Three of them?

    When I was into BJJ I remember Marcelo Garcia was dominating the absolute division despite weighing around 180 until Roger Gracie came along.

    Generally I think a rule of thumb was 20-30 pounds was equivalent to one belt rank superior.

    Beating elite heavyweight's whilst being a featherweight is insane.
     
    Paolo Delutis likes this.
  15. TFK20 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2020
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    831
    Yep

    He submitted ADCC 99+kg champ Kaynan Duarte, Patrick Gaudio, and Mahamed Aly in a single bracket

    Heel hooks are the ultimate equalizer
     
    3879, dog y, agibmxmma and 1 other person like this.
  16. Taric Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    21,344
    Likes Received:
    607
    https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/jake-shields

    Shields has 2 submission victories in his entire no-gi grappling career, that isn't his style. He also essentially has no victories over opponents larger than him. His game isn't suited to defeating large opponents.
     
    Odoylerules4lyf likes this.
  17. Mr Wings Black Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    5,843
    Likes Received:
    355
    Whatever with all the bickering; TS’s point stands. We don’t necessarily think of Glover as amazing on the ground, because he chose to box for many of his fights, but he has real credentials with his floor fighting.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2020
    Odoylerules4lyf and TFK20 like this.
  18. RightToBareKnuckles Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,451
    Likes Received:
    492
    Location:
    Durham, North Carolina
    Glover is also starting to get his old man strength, so it really wasn't even fair for Shields
     
    Krixes likes this.
  19. SeattleFightFan Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2004
    Messages:
    30,831
    Likes Received:
    1,754
    He knew the risks of taking on a top 5 fighter after a 2 year and multi surgery break.

    He chose.....poorly.

    [​IMG]

    I'm not judging him harshly either. I'm just saying with 2 paths - wade in slowly and work your way back up, or jump straight back into the shark infested deep end - he chose the riskier path with higher immediate reward.
     
  20. Andreh Yellow Card Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    7,893
    Likes Received:
    2,077
    Yes. But Shields chose to fight, so...
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.