Gilbert is the single most dangerous WW for Khamzat

[koquerelle]

Kamaru wanted nothing to do with Gilbert on the ground when they fought

And? I don't see the point you're trying to make?

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Khamzat is like 5 inches taller with a huge reach advantage. I think in regards to skill, yeah, burns is a tough match up, but khamzat's size advantage will likely be too much.

I was hoping for khamzat vs Luque.

Same. But really any fight is a good fight at this point. The more wins he gets, the harder it becomes to duck him. If he beats Burns and is ranked in the top 5, he's got a good chance of either getting a title shot or at least headlining a fight night vs Belal or Luque for the next shot. And considering how frequently he wants to fight, he'll be glad to step up short notice when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Chimaev stomps everyone

 

[Mammothman]

Burns is one of the most dangerous…but it’s a LW moving up to ww against a mw moving down to ww …..not saying that’s always a factor, but it is here imo

LW George Masvidal KO MW Ferreira at WW, so who knows.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Khamzat is absolutely huge for the division. The guy is an enormous welterweight.

Gilbert is on the smaller side by any definition, despite clearly being world class. It seems odd to me so many folks aren't admitting that type of size gap when both opponents are elite is unreasonable.

I honestly think Khamzat is headed for middleweight eventually. That cut must be ridiculous.

He's not too tall for WW. Look at chiesa, magny and Leon Edwards

 

[rjmbrd]

He's not too tall for WW. Look at chiesa, magny and Leon Edwards

There are guys fighting at 135lbs who are 6'3"

Cormier was world champion at heavyweight around 5'10"

Height is largely irrelevant.

Khamzat is an enormous welterweight.

 

[Adamant]

Well, sure, assuming Gilbert gets control on the ground. But if Khamzat keeps it standing, or stifles Gilbert on the ground, then Gilbert doesn't really have much he can do. Khamzat beats him standing. Beats him with the takedown. The only place Gilbert is superior is with his BJJ game.

 

[gluehuffer1776]

A lhw fighting a lw.

 

[SG123]

Stylistically speaking Gilbert is much more of a threat than Kamaru IMO. Obviously Kamaru wanted nothing to do with Gilbert on the ground when they fought, while Gilbert is roughly comparable to Kamaru on the feet. Their defense is pretty comparable (IMO) but I think Gilbert has heavier hands, minus of course Kamaru's recent finishes which are great (including the one against Gilbert).

Anyway, my point is Khamzat is accepting the single most dangerous fight (by far IMO) for his style in all of WW. Gilbert is the only fighter in the entire division who can take away his greatest strength (his top game) and is one of the few fighters that has the power to end it at any given moment standing.

If Khamzat wins this, I don't see any potential roadblocks at WW. Crazy cajones to chase the most dangerous fight as well... I said the same when Khamzat was chasing a Maia fight when he first joined the UFC.

Do you agree?

The only problem is they make Khamzat wait 6 months for a fight. He could have fought a couple of other top 10s between then and then

 

[killakillakilla]

Kamaru is a tougher opponent but Gilbert is the best fight for Khamzat right now.

 

[Chosen]

Burns gonna get KO cold and won’t be close he beat a washed Maia and 40 year old wonderboy. Woodley was nice at the time but since it hasn’t aged well and Chimaev is a massive WW he should’ve be a -250 favorite minimum

 

[Dionysian]

Burns is one of the most dangerous…but it’s a LW moving up to ww against a mw moving down to ww …..not saying that’s always a factor, but it is here imo

A lhw fighting a lw.

He's barely even a WW.......

Interesting. So I stated earlier in the thread that a win over Gilbert would be the least possible "discreditable" win possible because Gilbert is such a massive threat stylistically. But it looks like the "MW vs LW" story is set within days of the match possibly discrediting a potential Khamzat win.

If champs used to fight at a lower weight class it results in threads like this https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/oliveira-double-champ-potential.4221463/ where everyone lambastes the TS suggesting they are like their old weight class. But apparently Gilbert (who's not only the #3 ranked WW but is also now a WW brick house in case you haven't seen the guy) is the tiniest WW ever?

LW George Masvidal KO MW Ferreira at WW, so who knows.

And "LW" Masvidal KOd "MW" Till and "FW" Oliviera subbed "WW" Lee and "BW" Edgar KOd "WW" Penn and "WW" Whittaker beat shit ton of MWs and LHWs etc etc etc etc

The only weight that matters is the night of the weigh-in.

There are guys fighting at 135lbs who are 6'3"

Cormier was world champion at heavyweight around 5'10"

Height is largely irrelevant.

Khamzat is an enormous welterweight.

Thanks, and this. There are no height classes for a reason.

 

[bambammccoy]

Burns can't fight backwards and there are suspicions of him being chinny.

 

[Dionysian]

Kamaru is a tougher opponent but Gilbert is the best fight for Khamzat right now.

How specifically though? If Kamaru ends up on bottom he's likely fucked, unlike Gilbert. On the feet he arguably has less finishing capability than Gilbert, though he's nailed some great finishes recently on the feet of course.

Well, sure, assuming Gilbert gets control on the ground. But if Khamzat keeps it standing, or stifles Gilbert on the ground, then Gilbert doesn't really have much he can do. Khamzat beats him standing. Beats him with the takedown. The only place Gilbert is superior is with his BJJ game.

That's my point. Gilbert's BJJ is at a level where it could disable Khamzat's greatest strength (top game). Literally no one else in the division has that threat.

And? I don't see the point you're trying to make?

My point is high level wrestlers (like Kamaru) don't want to fuck with Gilbert on the ground. Therefore he negates their strongest skillset (wrestling). My point being Gilbert is the most dangerous stylistic threat for Khamzat at WW.

I see Usman and Burns as problems but I think Colby will not match well.

Why? Usman and Burns can at least (theoretically anyway) negate his TDs and then have power on the feet. Colby, even if he was successful, wouldn't have the same stopping power on the feet.

I honestly see Colby as the easiest of the three stylistically. Wouldn't surprise me if Colby had the weakest game off his back of all three, so if Khamzat nailed a TD...

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Gilbert was dropped multiple times by a jab recently. Dan Hooker also dropped him with a jab, but we won't count it because it was in a different weight class. I don't believe he can take the bombs Hamzat dishes out.

Usman seems to be the harder matchup simply because his chin is more durable, though if Khamzat lands shots on him like Colby did, he's getting bodybagged

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Honestly I think Burns BJJ is overrated. Not that he is not awesome at BJJ but I don't think it translated to MMA 100%.

I could see Khamzat taking Giblert down and beating him there. Giblert also does not have the best cardio and durabilty.

I think Marty is by far the most difficult fight for Khamzat. Probably the only WW that can match his strength.

Not saying Khamgoat is a lock against Burns or anything.

 

[StonedLemur]

He's barely even a WW.......

Burns has no neck sir...I'm pretty sure he walks at 190 or so.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Lmfao Gilbert has a weak chin and got KOed by a jab, this fight would be interesting if it went to the ground but as we’ve seen khamzat has insane power for WW and all of his training partners say he hits like a LHW/HW. Khamzat would one punch him

I agree Burns has a below average chin plus that GM3 KO was at MW and when both of their grappling cancels each others out He will KO him.

 

[GeneTunney7]

You can take away the wrestling tho and Khamzat has brutal KO power. Watch the Aliskerov fight for an example of this. Khamzat can just bully him against the fence & tee off too, like he did vs Gerald. There is also footage of Khamzat dropping Gus with a body kick - dude is a freak. I am not being overly hyperbolic when I say he may be the best fighter that we have ever seen. I am not sure if anyone will become s champ-champ-champ, but if anyone in the roster has a shot, it’s that guy.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Khamzat is absolutely huge for the division. The guy is an enormous welterweight.

Gilbert is on the smaller side by any definition, despite clearly being world class. It seems odd to me so many folks aren't admitting that type of size gap when both opponents are elite is unreasonable.

I honestly think Khamzat is headed for middleweight eventually. That cut must be ridiculous.

He did go from MW to WW in a week to be fair plus I heard his walkaround weight is 189 pounds which is pretty low considering.