General MMA Discussion & Future Lines- 2020

[mkess101]

What does losing to Gordon Ryan in a blue belt match have to do with anything? Rodrigues vs Gall, whos got better jiu jitsu. Thats all this was about. And you keep bringing up this "credential" of Gall's like it makes this an argument. In what world is losing a blue belt match to the best ever before he was the best ever compare to multiple world championships and Abu Dhabi world placements?

Because even then at blue belt Gordon Ryan was showing his greatness. Beating guys like Keenan Cornelius. No, he wasn't the best ever by that point but it was clear to anyone paying attention that he was already among the best in the world.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

Because even then at blue belt Gordon Ryan was showing his greatness. Beating guys like Keenan Cornelius. No, he wasn't the best ever by that point but it was clear to anyone paying attention that he was already among the best in the world.

He never beat Keenan Cornelius around that time lmao their first match was 16 months after the Gall one and Gordon had become a black belt and won EBI by then. Are any of you guys gonna use Google before you argue these completely insane things?

This is literally insane. Two people trying to make a case for Mickey Gall, who has never competed once as a black belt and biggest accomplishment is LOSING a blue belt match to Gordon Ryan, as being comparable to multiple time world champion and Abu Dhabi World's finalist Rodrigues. Tf....

 

[DogsAndKisses]

What would people estimate the odds to be in Craig vs Gustafsson?

Good Q. This one is hard for me to guess. Gus fave I think but maybe like -160 after that last Craig performance

 

[mkess101]

He never beat Keenan Cornelius as a blue belt lmao their first match was like 2 years after the Gall one. Are any of you guys gonna use Google before you argue these completely insane things?

This is literally insane. Two people trying to make a case for Mickey Gall, who has never competed once as a black belt and biggest accomplishment is LOSING a blue belt match to Gordon Ryan, as being comparable to multiple time world champion and Abu Dhabi finalist Rodrigues. Tf....

Okay I remembered wrong about Cornelius, I followed grappling back then more but haven't as closely in years. Regardless, Ryan was still ripping it up pretty well on the world stage at that point. Never submitted in competition with maybe 2-3 losses total and against high level competition.

And you keep saying I'm making the argument that Gall's loss to Ryan on points makes him the better grappler. And that's not what I said, ever. What's "literally insane" is you asserting I said that. I simply jumped in to say that his loss on points to Ryan, even at that time, isn't something to just dismiss as irrelevant. And yes I know the context is in Gall vs Rodrigues in terms of grappling but I was merely commenting on one part of that discussion. Which you extrapolated to me claiming something I never did.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

Okay I remembered wrong about Cornelius, I followed grappling back then more but haven't as closely in years. Regardless, Ryan was still ripping it up pretty well on the world stage at that point. Never submitted in competition with maybe 2-3 losses total and against high level competition.

And you keep saying I'm making the argument that Gall's loss to Ryan on points makes him the better grappler. And that's not what I said, ever. What's "literally insane" is you asserting I said that. I simply jumped in to say that his loss on points to Ryan, even at that time, isn't something to just dismiss as irrelevant. And yes I know the context is in Gall vs Rodrigues in terms of grappling but I was merely commenting on one part of that discussion. Which you extrapolated to me claiming something I never did.

So Josh Hayden, a guy who beat Gordon 4 months prior to the Gall match, is an elite well known BJJ competitor? You're still responding without doing ANY googling. Why?

I'm asserting it cause its all you keep saying. Explain to me why you have brought that match up multiple times? If it doesn't make him comparable to Rodrigues, than why keep inserting it into the convo and mentioning how impressive it is like it does?

If you're gonna reply, try using Google this time so you can talk sense instead of out of your ass please

 

[mkess101]

So Josh Hayden, a guy who beat Gordon 4 months prior to the Gall match, is an elite well known BJJ competitor? You're still responding without doing ANY googling. Why?

I'm asserting it cause its all you keep saying. Explain to me why you have brought that match up multiple times? If it doesn't make him comparable to Rodrigues, than why keep inserting it into the convo and mentioning how impressive it is like it does?

If you're gonna reply, try using Google this time so you can talk sense instead of out of your ass please

So one loss, on points a few months earlier, means Ryan wasn't an ascending guy on the grappling circuit back then?

And Hayden isn't some scrub either. Was very competitive with Tonon and had a lot of good moments until he got caught in the leglock.

And no, it's not what I'm saying and haven't even once. Please point out where I said the loss to Ryan on points makes Gall the better grappler. You can't, because I didn't say it.

Instead of me using Google, perhaps you learn the English language better so that context becomes something you're better at grasping? See, I merely pointed out that losing to Ryan on points, even at that point in his career, has some relevance. Not that it clearly means Gall is the better grappler. Yet, because you seem so desperate to argue, you've decided to dig your heels in and act like a jackass.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

So one loss, on points a few months earlier, means Ryan wasn't an ascending guy on the grappling circuit back then?

And Hayden isn't some scrub either. Was very competitive with Tonon and had a lot of good moments until he got caught in the leglock.

And no, it's not what I'm saying and haven't even once. Please point out where I said the loss to Ryan on points makes Gall the better grappler. You can't, because I didn't say it.

Instead of me using Google, perhaps you learn the English language better so that context becomes something you're better at grasping? See, I merely pointed out that losing to Ryan on points, even at that point in his career, has some relevance. Not that it clearly means Gall is the better grappler. Yet, because you seem so desperate to argue, you've decided to dig your heels in and act like a jackass.

The only sort of relevance it could ever have is in supporting the fact Rodrigues is better at BJJ, which is not how you used it. You used it, multiple times, to make it seem like its some sort of arguable point in Gall's favor. Its not even close to comparable to what Rodrigues has done. But its all you harp on, cause its all you know, cause its too much to ask you use Google before inserting yourself into the discussion.

Also, thanks for lol @ calling me someone who "acts like a jackass" when you're the guy who couldn't even be bothered to use Google to educate yourself before deciding to interject in the "discussion".

 

[mkess101]

The only sort of relevance it could ever have is in supporting the fact Rodrigues is better at BJJ, which is not how you used it. You used it, multiple times, to make it seem like its some sort of arguable point in Gall's favor. Its not even close to comparable to what Rodrigues has done. But its all you harp on, cause its all you know, cause its too much to ask you use Google before inserting yourself into the discussion.

Also, thanks for lol @ calling me someone who "acts like a jackass" when you're the guy who couldn't even be bothered to use Google to educate yourself before deciding to interject in the "discussion".

No, the relevance it has is simply to say that "Hey, even at that time it shows some damn good grappling chops to have a competitive match with Gordon Ryan." That's it, and that was painfully obvious that was what I was getting across to anyone that read it who didn't have an agenda (which you clearly do).

The fact that you took that sentiment and turned it on your own into me claiming Gall is the better grappler has nothing to do with me using Google LMAO, it has to do with your inability or unwillingness to properly assess a comment.
Oh, and it's a forum. If you don't want people to "interject" themselves into a discussion, send a DM to the other guy FFS.

You need to take a deep breath and realize that context matters. Someone adding a point of "Hey x does have some relevance showing this guy is good on the mat" doesn't mean they're necessarily saying you're wrong, it's just a comment that adds some CONTEXT. Like "Hey, Rodrigues may be the better grappler but Gall has shown some solid grappling like when he was competitive with Ryan..."

 

[DogsAndKisses]

No, the relevance it has is simply to say that "Hey, even at that time it shows some damn good grappling chops to have a competitive match with Gordon Ryan." That's it, and that was painfully obvious that was what I was getting across to anyone that read it who didn't have an agenda (which you clearly do).

The fact that you took that sentiment and turned it on your own into me claiming Gall is the better grappler has nothing to do with me using Google LMAO, it has to do with your inability or unwillingness to properly assess a comment.
Oh, and it's a forum. If you don't want people to "interject" themselves into a discussion, send a DM to the other guy FFS.

You need to take a deep breath and realize that context matters. Someone adding a point of "Hey x does have some relevance showing this guy is good on the mat" doesn't mean they're necessarily saying you're wrong, it's just a comment that adds some CONTEXT. Like "Hey, Rodrigues may be the better grappler but Gall has shown some solid grappling like when he was competitive with Ryan..."

My agenda is to be factual. Rodrigues is better than Gall at BJJ, thats factual. You didn't use Google at all but interjected yourself in the convo and were wrong a lot because of that decision to be ignorant while interjecting, thats factual.

Like I said, the only context this Ryan vs Gall thing you brought up multiple times would've added is in favor of the fact Rodrigues is better. But as you admit yourself in that first paragraph, you posted it multiple times cause you thought it was a way to show Gall's grappling chops. Lol.

 

[mkess101]

My agenda is to be factual. Rodrigues is better than Gall at BJJ, thats factual. You didn't use Google at all but interjected yourself in the convo and were wrong a lot because of that decision to be ignorant while interjecting, thats factual.

Like I said, the only context this Ryan vs Gall thing you brought up multiple times would've added is in favor of the fact Rodrigues is better. But as you admit yourself in that first paragraph, you posted it multiple times cause you thought it was a way to show Gall's grappling chops. Lol.

Well, given that Gall and Rodrigues have never faced each other in grappling, it's not "factual". You don't know who's better. You can say his accomplishments are better but now you're asserting something as fact that isn't. So the issue here seems to be you not grasping the English language well enough.

I was wrong on one thing, I misremembered thinking that Ryan had faced Cornelius earlier than he had. You meanwhile continue to ignore what was actually said in favor of arguing something that wasn't said or even implied.

The reality is that it DOES show that Gall is a good grappler in a broad sense. The problem is that you have some sort of mental block that's not allowing you to discern between that and me claiming he's better than Rodrigues. It's bizarre.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

Well, given that Gall and Rodrigues have never faced each other in grappling, it's not "factual". You don't know who's better. You can say his accomplishments are better but now you're asserting something as fact that isn't. So the issue here seems to be you not grasping the English language well enough.

I was wrong on one thing, I misremembered thinking that Ryan had faced Cornelius earlier than he had. You meanwhile continue to ignore what was actually said in favor of arguing something that wasn't said or even implied.

The reality is that it DOES show that Gall is a good grappler in a broad sense. The problem is that you have some sort of mental block that's not allowing you to discern between that and me claiming he's better than Rodrigues. It's bizarre.

lol. So if I say Teofimo Lopez is better than some random 12-2 boxer, its not factual if they have never fought?

Youre stretching big time and I don't know why. Do some of you guys just like to argue for the fuck of it? I'm not reading the rest of this post after that egregious start to it. I should've been done with you when you were wrong about multiple things cause you couldn't even be bothered to use Google but whatever. Rodrigues is better than Gall at BJJ, its not arguable, and i'm done now

 

[mkess101]

lol. So if I say Teofimo Lopez is better than some random 12-2 boxer, its not factual if they have never fought?

Youre stretching big time and I don't know why. Do some of you guys just like to argue for the fuck of it? I'm not reading the rest of this post after that egregious start to it. I should've been done with you when you were wrong about multiple things cause you couldn't even be bothered to use Google but whatever. Rodrigues is better than Gall at BJJ, its not arguable, and i'm done now

That's an idiotic comparison for so many reasons. Talk about stretching, holy shit.

Anyone who followed grappling at the time knew Ryan was an ascending star. He was subbing most guys he faced in fairly high level matches.

You thinking it's irrelevant that Gall was competitive with him and making the boxing comparison shows your inability to assess this rationally. I'm glad you're done. We can move on.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

That's an idiotic comparison for so many reasons. Talk about stretching, holy shit.

Anyone who followed grappling at the time knew Ryan was an ascending star. He was subbing most guys he faced in fairly high level matches.

You thinking it's irrelevant that Gall was competitive with him and making the bixi comparison shows your inability to assess this rationally. I'm glad you're done. We can move on.

No, its not, cause Gall has never competed once as a black belt in the mere 2 years hes been one while Rodrigues has world competition wins as one.

Keep arguing a ludicrous point into the ether bud. This weird Mickey Gall fanboy nonsense I am very much over. Rodrigues is better at BJJ than Gall, thats it.

 

[mkess101]

No, its not, cause Gall has never competed once as a black belt in the mere 2 years hes been one while Rodrigues has world competition wins as one.

Keep arguing into the ether bud. This weird Mickey Gall fanboy nonsense I am very much over. Rodrigues is better at BJJ than Gall, thats it.

This is a weird argument anyway. I'm not even arguing (and haven't been) who's better. So arguing into the ether...kinda seems like that's you?

 

[DogsAndKisses]

This is a weird argument anyway. I'm not even arguing (and haven't been) who's better. So arguing into the ether...kinda seems like that's you?

Yup. All me. Totally not you who has multiple posts going on about how impressive Gall losing to blue belt Gordon Ryan is like it changes fact of Rodrigues being better. Totally not you who interjected and were wrong multiple times cause you can't be bothered to use Google, yet you still kept going. Totally not you who claimed you're not arguing for Gall but then said I can't factually say Rodrigues is better at BJJ cause they never went against each other. Lol.

 

[mkess101]

Yup. All me. Totally not you who has multiple posts going on about how impressive Gall losing to blue belt Gordon Ryan is like it changes fact of Rodrigues being better. Totally not you who interjected and were wrong multiple times cause you can't be bothered to use Google, yet you still kept going. Totally not you who claimed you're not arguing for Gall but then said I can't factually say Rodrigues is better at BJJ cause they never went against each other. Lol.

Yes, correct. And my "multiple posts" are actually one post and then a string of responses to you. And yes, you need to look up what "factually" means.

So...thanks.

 

[DogsAndKisses]

Yes, correct. And my "multiple posts" are actually one post and then a string of responses to you. And yes, you need to look up what "factually" means.

So...thanks.

Guys don't ever say khabib can beat me in a fight. Hes never gonna against me so he factually isn't better. Thx

 

[mkess101]

Guys don't ever say khabib can beat me in a fight. Hes never gonna against me so he factually isn't better. Thx

Solid comparison. Saying a guy who lost on points to Gordon Ryan is probably a good grappler equates to you beating Khabib.

FFS, why wouldn't you stop digging?

 

[DogsAndKisses]

Solid comparison. Saying a guy who lost on points to Gordon Ryan is probably a good grappler equates to you beating Khabib.

FFS, why wouldn't you stop digging?

So Khabib is factually better than me then? But hes never gone against me. Make up your mind on how "facts" work pls

 

[mkess101]

So Khabib is factually better than me then? But hes never gone against me. Make up your mind on how "facts" work pls

I didn't say Khabib was factually better than you. I said it's a stupid comparison.

Where does your arbitrary line start as to when you get to start stating something is "factual" as opposed to just your opinion?