Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Ares Black]

Please tell me you’re just being a troll. If you really think that way, you are fucked up.

That is literally what is happening.


You just aren't very smart and haven't really been paying attention.

 

[Bwagster]

It is literally what is happening

Is this you?

 

[Ares Black]

Is this you?

NPC bullshit response


You are sitting there with your thumb up your ass worrying about trans people while your country is being taken over by fascist oligarchs.

And Libs of Tiktok is an absolute piece of shit. You are literally retweeting a stochastic terrorist.

 

[Bwagster]

NPC bullshit response


You are sitting there with your thumb up your ass worrying about trans people while your country is being taken over by fascist oligarchs.

What’s trans got to do with it, got to do with it? (In my best Tina Turner voice)

 

[Ares Black]

What’s trans got to do with it, got to do with it? (In my best Tina Turner voice)

Exactly. Trans people aren't a real problem.


It's a distraction, and you gullible diphits have fallen for it.

 

[Bwagster]

Exactly. Trans people aren't a real problem.


It's a distraction, and you gullible diphits have fallen for it.

They are when they’re men in women’s sports, and bathrooms. Otherwise live and let live.

 

[Ares Black]

They are when they’re men in women’s sports, and bathrooms. Otherwise live and let live.

Lol you're such a puppet.

There are so many real problems in the world.

 

[Bwagster]

Lol you're such a puppet.

There are so many real problems in the world.

I’m the puppet huh? Haha

 

[Ares Black]

I’m the puppet huh? Haha

Yes

 

[kflo]

What it means is that they are men and men are the people who commit violence against women and men too. So we have a problem where if a man who dresses like a woman goes into a man's restroom, that person may be beaten or bullied which is obviously unacceptable. But rather than men dealing with violence against men, we dump that problem onto women and just say that those men should go into women's restrooms. But the problem with that is that they are still men and they are not outside of the statistical pool of male pattern violence. Not to mention a whole other laundry list of complaints from women about men being in their restrooms unrelated to physical safety.

The fact that the person is trans absolutely does not make them more likely to cause physical harm to a woman in a restroom, but it also does not make them less likely than another men to do so. So the problem of potential violence has nothing to do with the person being trans except as trans gives them access to women in these cases.

So because men bully men in restrooms, we dump men into women's restrooms (or other spaces) and I think that's an ill thought out solution that just does what always happens... men dumping problems onto women.


Also you didn't just quote my position. You rephrased it dishonestly which I would expect because the trans activist side tends to think that lying and slander is an acceptable practice as a matter of policy. It's okay to lie and slander to get the ends that they're obviously correct about. But that's just the ends justifies the means kind of thinking which everyone knows is stupid.

I don't even mind if we disagree man. Just so you know it's okay with me. I would expect thoughtful people to have disagreements about how to navigate this entire situation... I just wish you could be honest in your discussions and maybe offer me the same generosity.

This is why I don't support trans people using women's spaces in prisons, bathrooms, changing rooms, gyms shelters, etc.

Instead, I think that we should spend the money as a society to ensure that there are single use restrooms in every single government building, in all new buildings that are built, retrofitted to existing buildings whenever possible and placed throughout cities so that trans people always have a place they can go. That is safe and frankly, if they're single use restrooms that would benefit fathers with daughters mothers with sons etc. So it would be better for all of society anyway. That sounds like a win-win situation with nobody giving up any rights or privacies that they already have.


For a certain trans activists that will never be enough though. And it's because for some of them this is about power and about forcing people to accept something about themselves that is unacceptable to many. They aren't actually looking for a solution to bathrooms and changing rooms. They're looking to force people to see them them the way they do. But personally, I don't believe that given a real choice that all trans people would even side with trans activists on this issue and I would guess that many of them wish everyone would just shut up about it and come up with a solution that didn't create so much division.

i didn't rephrase anything. i phrased it the way you phrased it. as is.

where we differ is that i don't want to police people's intention when using a fuckin bathroom. wait - does that person have a penis? i need to find out! i don't want innocently using a bathroom to be a criminal offense for a well intentioned person. even if they had the option to use a single use restroom.

i've never been bullied in a restroom, nor seen bullying. i'm sure it's happened, but i'm sure it's extremely rare.

 

[terrapin]

i didn't rephrase anything. i phrased it the way you phrased it. as is.

where we differ is that i don't want to police people's intention when using a fuckin bathroom. wait - does that person have a penis? i need to find out! i don't want innocently using a bathroom to be a criminal offense for a well intentioned person. even if they had the option to use a single use restroom.

i've never been bullied in a restroom, nor seen bullying. i'm sure it's happened, but i'm sure it's extremely rare.

So you lied and now you're lying about the fact that you lied. And now you're lying again about my position because you know I don't recommend policing bathrooms. It's social norms that we should go on .... the same system we've been using forever.

People should read your posts as a case study for the lying left on these topics.


Are you capable of being honest ever for any reason or is your whole entire path in life just to lie and be a despicable person?

 

[kflo]

So you lied and now you're lying about the fact that you lied. And now you're lying again about my position because you know I don't recommend policing bathrooms. It's social norms that we should go on .... the same system we've been using forever.

People should read your posts as a case study for the lying left on these topics.


Are you capable of being honest ever for any reason or is your whole entire path in life just to lie and be a despicable person?

i think you have mental problems when you discuss this topic as you seem to accuse everyone of lying about your position. this is a direct quote from YOU.

But what I can't understand is why men just want to force women to deal with all the repercussions of violent men invading their spaces.. I just don't get it. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[terrapin]

i think you have mental problems when you discuss this topic as you seem to accuse everyone of lying about your position. this is a direct quote from YOU.

Quote what you said I said back to back with what I said and I'll show you how you misquoted me and misrepresented my position.

Don't lie and be dishonest because I don't want to waste time with you and have to dig up your posts.

If you're not willing to do that, just go away man. I don't even care to have a discussion with you. You've never shown yourself to be honest enough to be worthy of a discussion.

 

[RoastBeast]

It's funny when the guys spending pages arguing for men to be in women's changing spaces are telling the guys arguing against it that they're obsessed and wasting their time talking about it. The lack of self awareness is incredible.

 

[Ares Black]

It's funny when the guys spending pages arguing for men to be in women's changing spaces are telling the guys arguing against it that they're obsessed and wasting their time talking about it. The lack of self awareness is incredible.

No one thinks that men should be in women's changing spaces

 

[kflo]

Quote what you said I said back to back with what I said and I'll show you how you misquoted me and misrepresented my position.

Don't lie and be dishonest because I don't want to waste time with you and have to dig up your posts.

If you're not willing to do that, just go away man. I don't even care to have a discussion with you. You've never shown yourself to be honest enough to be worthy of a discussion.

lol. it's YOU that is lying. here is what i said you said:

Does the following sound like something you would say? (note, you did….)

there are quotas being filled by men in the uk that were designed specifically to help women. women have been bumped in place of men taking them. they are set aside for positions in the workplace and in the government. that is taking away from women any way you slice it. look at the gymnastics you have to do to pretend otherwise man....

…..

your position will also make it IMPOSSIBLE for corporations and businesses to provide medical insurance for employees. do you actually suggest that corporations not be privy to male and female designations when putting aside funding to insure men and women and varying ages of those men and women.

so, you have taken the position that employers need to know. Unless you’ve changed your position…

You have also called trans women “violent men invading womens spaces”.

and here is what YOU said:

But what I can't understand is why men just want to force women to deal with all the repercussions of violent men invading their spaces.. I just don't get it. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

yet you keep saying i'm lying. lol

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No, they figured out how to fix it

Then why do people transition back? Why do they have the same psychological issues as before transitioning? And why am I required to play along?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Now they are, yeah. It's almost like language evolves.

Blah blah blah

Lol. I posted the link with medical professionals offering gender reveal and showed unequivocally that your definition for gender is bs and your reply is blah blah.

I'll take that as your concession.

 

[terrapin]

lol. it's YOU that is lying. here is what i said you said:

and here is what YOU said:


yet you keep saying i'm lying. lol

I told you to quote what you said juxtaposed with what I actually said for comparison and you didn't do it. Why not?


Our dispute is that you misframed my position and then said it was a quote which is a lie. This would have been your second opportunity to show that, but you're not willing to because you are being dishonest.

And at this point I don't even know what we're disputing anymore. So if you're not going to make it clear, I'm ot going to waste time with you.

Show your work man or I'm not replying anymore. I don't have time for bad faith conversations.

 

[kflo]

I told you to quote what you said juxtaposed with what I actually said for comparison and you didn't do it. Why not?


Our dispute is that you misframed my position and then said it was a quote which is a lie. This would have been your second opportunity to show that, but you're not willing to because you are being dishonest.

And at this point I don't even know what we're disputing anymore. So if you're not going to make it clear, I'm ot going to waste time with you.

Show your work man or I'm not replying anymore. I don't have time for bad faith conversations.

i literally quoted my post and your post you psycho.