Elections Gary Johnson at 12% (3% away from debates), potential game changer

[VivaRevolution]

You've refused to simply google something is a known fact amongst almost every historian in the world, but please act like I'm stupid.

Welcome to the War room guy.

Making claims without sourcing them is a good way to get called out around here.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Oh, you disappeared? What a f**king suprise....

Go ahead and point me in the direction of me saying any of these things. Don't worry, I'll wait. Don't try to project opinions onto me that aren't mine so you can attack them. You're butt hurt that you're getting owned. Don't make it worse by getting owned twice on two different subjects simultaneously in the same thread.

Let's try this, because this is getting boring to me.......

Show me a Zinn quote you dispute, then source your evidence to this effect, where you pull the specific quote that contradicts Zinn, and provide a link.

It isn't a ridiculous request, you aren't destroying anything.

 

[Greoric]

The only place Bernie and Libertarians disagree is on economics.

You fools sit here and sell the lie that economics is all that matters, and that foreign policy, civil liberties, and the rule of law aren't also included in policy. Trump and Clinton are the two most horrible candidates of my lifetime on press freedoms.

You sit here and play this game where only your view of what policy is important is allowed to be discussed, which is absurd.

Just to support this a little bit, Walter Block, an admitted voluntarist, appropriates foreign policy as the most important factor above anything else.

 

[lfd0311]

Let's try this, because this is getting boring to me.......

Show me a Zinn quote you dispute, then source your evidence to this effect, where you pull the specific quote that contradicts Zinn, and provide a link.

It isn't a ridiculous request, you aren't destroying anything.

This is getting boring to you? You're the lamest Zinn defender of all time. You claim to have read his book, yet don't even know what's in it. Just read the chapter on Columbus, then read the actual diary. He condenses about 5 paragraphs into 3 cherry picked sentences that he presents as one thought. It's horribly dishonest.

I've already sourced my evidence, from other Zinn defenders. The irony of you still pretending that I'm the one being childish is beyond hilarious. Why don't you take a shot at answering one of the questions I've asked you. If you still refuse, I'll just countinue to accept what I already knew, you can't and you're butt hurt about it.

Again, just read back through the thread as to what questions I would like answered

 

[lfd0311]

Welcome to the War room guy.

Making claims without sourcing them is a good way to get called out around here.

Lol at "welcome to the war room". I've been here for years. I've sourced it numerous times, you've ignored it. Keep pretending something else is going on, you child. Now provide me with the information I've asked for.

 

[lfd0311]

LOL, now show me where your link contradicts what Zinn says, oh that's right, you admitted long ago that the original quote that was in dispute, wasn't even from Zinn.

Get this through your head. Show me a quote from Zinn, and then source your claim that contradicts it, not just a link with nothing pulled from it.

It is called coherent thought, and arguments, you should give it a try.

Uh, aren't you in here claiming to be some sort of authority on his book? But now I need to show you quotes from the book? Making yourself look like a childish idiot is something you do on a post by post basis, huh? Any time you've got that info on Columbus brining 1200 soldiers with him, or of him killing 8 million people Id love to see it.


And yes, I was admitted I was wrong about that quote. Now that's something to denegrate me for? Lol, you could not be more of a child, huh?

 

[lfd0311]

You were balling out anyone that supported Bernie, switching to Johnson, as being as deep as a puddle.

That post was aimed at 3 posters who were in a circle jerk together, you being one of them.

First, I don't believe I said anything to Jack. So no, we weren't in a "circle jerk together", but it's good to see that you yet again could not wait to incorrectly jump at the chance to try to show everyone how much smarter you are than everyone else.

Secondly, and for the third time, you're an idiot if you want to jump from one end of the ideological spectrum to the other with no thought and act like something is wrong with me for calling you out on it (which is exactly what you're doing now).

 

[Jack V Savage]

So I am hoping beyond hope, that Johnson gets on that stage for the debates. Trump and Clinton are the 2 most unpopular nominees in the history of polling. Our presidential campaign has become a running joke for the world.

I believe if people are introduced to a viable 3rd option, we could see a meteoric rise of a candidate. Below is the scenario I envision and hope for.

Trump and Clinton enter into a feces throwing competition in the debate, and walk out covered in shit. Gary Johnson tries to present himself as the only adult in the room, and has a good debate performance. GJ goes from 15% to 30% after one debate, when the whole country realizes that they don't have to pick from the clown show that is Trump and Clinton.

Right-wing megadonor: Well, shit, our candidate is getting killed in another presidential election. Everyone I know is on our side, but we're losing. What's the problem, Jeeves?
Jeeves: It's the young people and minorities, sir. They think you're out of touch.
RWMD: What do you highly paid consultants think?
Consultant 1: Maybe we can try a more middle-class-focused econom--
RWMD: You're fired. ... Anyone else?
Consultant 2: Um, cuts to the safety net so we can afford to give rich people more money?
RWMD: Good idea! If the people finally hear that message, they're sure to come around! Let's try to get this Johnson fellow some more attention.

 

[ucunc156]

The only place Bernie and Libertarians disagree is on economics.

That was the fucking crux of everything bernie stood for. was he less interventionalist? sure. Was he pretty chill with drugs and incarceration? yes. Is GJ a better candidate than trump? absolutely. but to vote for GJ because you supported bernie and you think GJ is the closest to him, is mindblowing. You would have had to ignore basically the 3 biggest components of bernies campaign to do so.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That was the fucking crux of everything bernie stood for. was he less interventionalist? sure. Was he pretty chill with drugs and incarceration? yes. Is GJ a better candidate than trump? absolutely. but to vote for GJ because you supported bernie and you think GJ is the closest to him, is mindblowing. You would have had to ignore basically the 3 biggest components of bernies campaign to do so.

Yeah, Bernie's campaign was almost exclusively about reigning in bankers and redistributing from the millyonayres and billyonayres, etc. People would ask him his position on foreign policy or anything else, and he'd spin it back to that.

"What did you have for lunch, Bernie?"



But, oh, he just disagrees with Johnson about economics. That's all. No biggie.

 

[kpt018]

That was the fucking crux of everything bernie stood for. was he less interventionalist? sure. Was he pretty chill with drugs and incarceration? yes. Is GJ a better candidate than trump? absolutely. but to vote for GJ because you supported bernie and you think GJ is the closest to him, is mindblowing. You would have had to ignore basically the 3 biggest components of bernies campaign to do so.

Yeah, Bernie's campaign was almost exclusively about reigning in bankers and redistributing from the millyonayres and billyonayres, etc. People would ask him his position on foreign policy or anything else, and he'd spin it back to that.

"What did you have for lunch, Bernie?"



But, oh, he just disagrees with Johnson about economics. That's all. No biggie.

Lol, right. They are also far bit apart on regulations in general but more specifically what they would do about climate change. Bernie views it as a crisis and supports things like a carbon tax whereas GJ predictably states he does not want to impede in the "free market", in other words do nothing.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That was the fucking crux of everything bernie stood for. was he less interventionalist? sure. Was he pretty chill with drugs and incarceration? yes. Is GJ a better candidate than trump? absolutely. but to vote for GJ because you supported bernie and you think GJ is the closest to him, is mindblowing. You would have had to ignore basically the 3 biggest components of bernies campaign to do so.

Except that GJ isn't funded by banksters, corporatists, and surrounded by lobbyists, which was actually the main point of Bernie's campaign.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Except that GJ isn't funded by banksters, corporatists, and surrounded by lobbyists, which was actually the main point of Bernie's campaign.

Yes, but where as Bernie actively dismissed them, they do not care enough about Johnson to even offer.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

So again, how do we get Johnson into the televised debates, or at least do we as individuals, do the part to ensure we get to see GJ, HC, and DT ? What is the format?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Yes, but where as Bernie actively dismissed them, they do not care enough about Johnson to even offer.

He is polling at 12%, higher then any 3rd party candidate since Perot.

Nader had wet dreams of being at 12%.

 

[Sycho Sid]

So again, how do we get Johnson into the televised debates, or at least do we as individuals, do the part to ensure we get to see GJ, HC, and DT ? What is the format?

Basically he just needs 15% in the polls.

Ironically, he is being hurt by them including another independent candidate, Jill Stein, in the polls.

But the polls they have chosen all at least include Gary in the options.

 

[Sycho Sid]

He is polling at 12%, higher then any 3rd party candidate since Perot.

Nader had wet dreams of being at 12%.

What does that have to do with Johnson not being against Citizen's United and not getting major donors because they do not care enough to give him money?

 

[VivaRevolution]

So again, how do we get Johnson into the televised debates, or at least do we as individuals, do the part to ensure we get to see GJ, HC, and DT ? What is the format?

Got to get him to 15%. Creating pro-GJ threads here, posting on social media to educate your friends and family about who he is. Basically all that can be done is the same "How to Start a Revolution" playbook, that all issues driven by grassroots support need.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1956516/

 

[VivaRevolution]

What does that have to do with Johnson not being against Citizen's United and not getting major donors because they do not care enough to give him money?

That any candidate polling at 12% in a country of 320,000,000 people, can not be dismissed as irrelevant.

I heard alot of this same talk about Bernie when he was rising.

He wasn't a serious threat, until he was........

 

[Chinballs]

I'm #feelingtheJohnson now.