Gary Goodridge did ok in Pride Fc

[GOATtalks]

Again, if I wanted to read shitty opinions and Wikipedia then I would just go there. I don't need to though, I actually know my head from my ass.

Who's the GOAT now by the way? What's the latest ship you've jumped off of?

CANTalks bless.

You only have opinions, I confront you with facts and you don’t like them at all

 

[TR1]

You only have opinions, I confront you with facts and you don’t like them at all

You didn't know who Pele was, and thought Takeda-Coleman was a real fight. <45>

Sit down kid, nobody cares what you have to say.

 

[Sweater of AV]

You only have opinions, I confront you with facts and you don’t like them at all

Facts? Tuivasa's 19 fights against mostly nobodies and losing to everyone half decent? His best win is 9000 year old Arlovski and he's best known for drinking out of a shoe.



CANTalks bless.

 

[GOATtalks]

You didn't know who Pele was, and thought Takeda-Coleman was a real fight. <45>

Sit down kid, nobody cares what you have to say.

Yeah, try to discredit me by the fact I didn’t know one absolutely irrelevant fighter today. He wouldn’t even make top200 most important fighters in MMA history. Probably not even top500.

What you’re doing is called whataboutism, it’s a clear sign you’re losing an argument

 

[TR1]

Yeah, try to discredit me by the fact I didn’t know one absolutely irrelevant fighter today. He wouldn’t even make top200 most important fighters in MMA history. Probably not even top500.

What you’re doing is called whataboutism, it’s a clear sign you’re losing an argument

If you don't know the facts of that era, then shut up and stop posting about it. That's the problem child, you post about something you clearly have a lack of knowledge and nothing interesting to say about.

And that is why people clown on your shitty threads.

That's not whataboutism, but I am not surprised to see you don't know what that word means either.

Also comical you don't know Pele's importance to Chute Boxe.

 

[GOATtalks]

Facts? Tuivasa's 19 fights against mostly nobodies and losing to everyone half decent? His best win is 9000 year old Arlovski and he's best known for drinking out of a shoe.



CANTalks bless.

Want facts?

Tai’s record:

15-5 (8-5 UFC)
best wins

Lewis
Arlovski
Struve
Sakai
Hardy

Goodridge’s record:

23-22-1 (4-4 UFC, 10-9 PRIDE)
best wins

Taktarov
Don Frye
Overeems brother?

Arguing that Goodridge has a better MMA record than Tai is like arguing that 2 > 6

 

[TR1]

Want facts?

Tai’s record:

15-5 (8-5 UFC)
best wins

Lewis
Arlovski
Struve
Sakai
Hardy

So 4 guys that had no business being top 10 (and he lost to AA, watch the fight), and 1 "top win" vs Lewis.

Yeah, that's about as good as Garry's 2 top wins.

Good job on the facts.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Want facts?

Tai’s record:

15-5 (8-5 UFC)
best wins

Lewis
Arlovski
Struve
Sakai
Hardy

Goodridge’s record:

23-22-1 (4-4 UFC, 10-9 PRIDE)
best wins

Taktarov
Don Frye
Overeems brother?

Arguing that Goodridge has a better MMA record than Tai is like arguing that 2 > 6

You just listed Greg Hardy for Tai's best wins.



I don't even need to respond. I can just list 23 fighters.

Keep telling us about Pele though. Also, keep working with 2 and 6. You'll get there some day, sweet CANTalks.

 

[GOATtalks]

If you don't know the facts of that era, then shut up and stop posting about it. That's the problem child, you post about something you clearly have a lack of knowledge and nothing interesting to say about.

And that is why people clown on your shitty threads.

That's not whataboutism, but I am not surprised to see you don't know what that word means either.

Also comical you don't know Pele's importance to Chute Boxe.

It’s clearly whataboutism. Pele is irrelevant to this discussion and you raise it like he was.

I’ve seen most of important PRIDE fights, all early UFC fights and I was a huge K-1 fan back in the day. And I’ve almost all UFC fights since 2015. It’s enough to formulate an opinion.

And there are facts. You try to discredit them to using “context” while 90% of the time those are excuses.

Gary Goodridge wasn’t a good fighter. His record proves it

 

[pooknicca]

How did he come up with this slick move, just on the fly? The guy was an arm wrestler.

Goodridge seemed to do pretty well with improvising moves in the middle of a fight.

 

[GOATtalks]

You just listed Greg Hardy for Tai's best wins.



I don't even need to respond. I can just list 23 fighters.

Keep telling us about Pele though. Also, keep working with 2 and 6. You'll get there some day, sweet CANTalks.

Hardy is actually better than most wins Goodridge’s record. Go find guys with better records than Hardy’s in Goodridge’s wins. It’s almost impossible really.

And Hardy isn’t that bad. He just switched to boxing, he’s already 2-0 and defeated Hasim Rahman Jr

 

[Sweater of AV]

Hardy is actually better than most wins Goodridge’s record. Go find guys with better records than Hardy’s in Goodridge’s wins. It’s almost impossible really.

And Hardy isn’t that bad. He just switched to boxing, he’s already 2-0 and defeated Hasim Rahman Jr

Take a break bud. You clearly don't know anyone from before Conor. Listing Greg Hardy while ignoring Dan Bobish, Jerry Bohlander, Dirty Bob, Chief Roberts etc is comical. On top of that, claiming Pele isn't relevant in MMA history...

The only fact here is that you know absolutely nothing. Anyways, as always, you're just a complete waste of time.

Thanks for continually bumping the thread about a legend though. War Big Daddy.

 

[GOATtalks]

So 4 guys that had no business being top 10 (and he lost to AA, watch the fight), and 1 "top win" vs Lewis.

Yeah, that's about as good as Garry's 2 top wins.

Good job on the facts.

Wow, amazing how you love to discredit facts.

Oleg was ranked #35 in the world and Don was #45, when Garry beat them



Lewis was ranked #4 and Arlovski was #11



It’s not even close.

Tai has significantly better wins than Goodridge

 

[The Reed]

Want facts?

Tai’s record:

15-5 (8-5 UFC)
best wins

Lewis
Arlovski
Struve
Sakai
Hardy

Goodridge’s record:

23-22-1 (4-4 UFC, 10-9 PRIDE)
best wins

Taktarov
Don Frye
Overeems brother?

Arguing that Goodridge has a better MMA record than Tai is like arguing that 2 > 6

Let me help you with the math their buddy. By your own logic it should be 3 > 5 which is two whole digits closer.

And if the barrier for entry here is Greg Hardy, then it wouldn't be too crazy to list Andre Roberts, Dan Bobish, Amir Rhanavardi, Pedro Otavio, Bob Schrijber, Achmed Labasanov, Tadas Rimkevicius to Goodridges list, most those guys have gone the distance without needing an inhaler.

I wouldn't even be shocked if Sylvester Terkay beats Hardy.

 

[GOATtalks]

Let me help you with the math their buddy. By your own logic it should be 3 > 5 which is two whole digits closer.

And if the barrier for entry here is Greg Hardy, then it wouldn't be too crazy to list Andre Roberts, Dan Bobish, Amir Rhanavardi, Pedro Otavio, Bob Schrijber, Achmed Labasanov, Tadas Rimkevicius to Goodridges list, most those guys have gone the distance without needing an inhaler.

I wouldn't even be shocked if Sylvester Terkay beats Hardy.

2>6 are just random equation, which is false. I didn’t choose specific numbers.

Fact is Tai’s resume is much better than Goodridge’s. It’s not even close

 

[TR1]

Wow, amazing how you love to discredit facts.

Oleg was ranked #35 in the world and Don was #45, when Garry beat them

LOL ah yes, the infallible Fight Matrix.

When Garry beat them both Oleg and Don were ~2 years from fighting at the top level (at the time).

In Tai's case:
Struve was like 4-5 years from doing anything remotely relevant.
Hardy never did anything relevant ever.
Sakai never did anything relevant ever.
AA (who again, Tai lost to) was about 3 years from doing anything relevant.

Lewis was his only win who had recent success.

And the real kicker is Goodridge was never talked about as some top fighter, while sloppy bum fighters like Lewis and Tai somehow became top 5 UFC HWs LOL.

 

[GOATtalks]

LOL ah yes, the infallible Fight Matrix.

When Garry beat them both Oleg and Don were ~2 years from fighting at the top level (at the time).

In Tai's case:
Struve was like 4-5 years from doing anything remotely relevant.
Hardy never did anything relevant ever.
Sakai never did anything relevant ever.
AA (who again, Tai lost to) was about 3 years from doing anything relevant.

Lewis was his only win who had recent success.

And the real kicker is Goodridge was never talked about as some top fighter, while sloppy bum fighters like Lewis and Tai somehow became top 5 UFC HWs LOL.

If you think that Frye vs Takayama was elite MMA, but Tai and Lewis are shitty brawlers, you sir are a moron.

 

[mkt]

Dude, Goodridge was 3-5 in his first 8 MMA fights in early UFC days, lol.

He started his kickboxing career 1-5-1 as well. Gary just wasn’t too good TBH

You realize that comparing modern records to early UFC days is completely meaningless, right? Back then, youu were thrown in a tournament where you might fight the best current fighter in the 1st round. Now, you may have 10-15 wins in a small org then another 5-7 prelim fights in UFC/Belltar before you even face Top 10 competition. His first 5 losses were to

• Don Frye twice (whom he later beat..Frye was a 2-time UFC tournament winner and one of the best fighters alive at the time--boxing, judo and D1 wrestling experience which was very rare in 1995)
• Mark Shultz (Gold medalist Olympian and maybe the best pure wrestler to ever compete in MMA)
• Mark Coleman (two-time UFC tournament winner and first ever UFC HW champ)
• Mario Neto in a fight where he tapped out due to deyhdration/exhaustion in Brazil. Immediately afterwards he won a 3-fight tournament in Brazil then beat Oleg Taktarov)

No one ever claimed Goodridge was GOAT level, but practically no modern fighters go against that level of competiton (which was elite for mid-1990s standards) in their first 8 fights. Lesnar and BJ Penn are probably the only ones who came even close since the year 2000.

 

[Lee_]

War Big Daddy!!!

 

[Deleted member 110072]

No one ever claimed Goodridge was GOAT level, but practically no modern fighters go against that level of competiton (which was elite for mid-1990s standards) in their first 8 fights. Lesnar and BJ Penn are probably the only ones who came even close since the year 2000.

Again I do think Goodridge by the turn of the millennium had improved quite a bit, he was never a great grappler but he was significantly better by that point and his stand up was somewhat slickier as well.

As said though I think the point is that Goodridge back then was not considered elite, he's viewed as a minor win for guys like Nog and Fedor and was not a consistant(or perhaps at all?) top 10 fighter were as I think you look at the guys who've often been top 10 in recent years and many of them show similar kinds of skill sets.

In the mid 00's Top 10 at HW meant something, Fedor, Nog, Barnett, Crocop, Sylvia, Arlovski, Sergei, Werdum, Aleks, Hunt were the top 10 at one point and I think all of them really have something to recommend them as elite, someone like Sakai just isnt at that level.