Gane vs Volkov is closer than you think - Round 2 in particular was a toss up

[RonDante]

Sick of people talking about control time like god damn Ciryl was in side control and did nothing, stop acting like being horizontally advantaged means you’re winning. Same people who would give gamrot the round against tsarukyan that he got dropped in just cause he held on for dear life afterwards

 

[fizzlehiss]

Round 2 isnt in question. Volkov clearly won round 1 and 3.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Round 2 isnt in question. Volkov clearly won round 1 and 3.

Round 1 felt way more back and forth, with Gane ending it with a deep guillotine attempt - that round could've gone either way, but leaned Gane cause of how it ended.

In Round 2 Volkov was lighting him up - multiple flush body kicks, multiple flush head kicks, spinning back fist, clean jabs. He got hit with a couple shots and taken down and controlled for 1 minute towards the end of the round. And as we all know, winning the last minute means more than winning the first 4 minutes....

 

[Dirty Frank]

R3 was the only clear round for Volkov. you could argue round 1 could have gone for Gane, for round 2 was closer than some might think.

Volkov had the spinning back fist but Gane had significant strikes of his own and good combinations, plus he had the takedown

Here are the fight stats :

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I think a draw would have been correct

I share this sentiment exactly. It was by no means a robbery, though very close.
Gane got smacked with that backfist in round 2 but he also hurt Volkov with a 1-2 that even Rogan or DC picked up on.
I gave the first to Gane, by a hair, with that threatening sub attempt in the first giving him the slight edge.

 

[Bubzeh]

Caught up on this fight. Scored it 3-0 Volkov but, playing devils advocate, I can kinda understand 2-1 Gane. The first 2 rounds weren't "robberies" if you scored them to him imo. Both pretty close rounds, but as I say, sided with Volkov.

Round 3 was typically HW MMA, pathetic round, but Volkov clearly won it. Gane just laid on the ground like a wet lettuce.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Rounds with no clear winner should be scored 10-10, because the fact is some rounds are too damn even or uneventful to truly give it to one fighter or the other. As it is, judges are basically implored to do a coin flip on 50/50 rounds and who knows if they're basing it on one random punch, an interpretation of control or some other insignificant thing.

If that means more draws, so be it, at least the scoring will be more accurate. And I'd rather see that than a result that a majority of people don't accept as legitimate.

100%. We also need to see far more 10-8s for rounds where someone has clearly dominated a round, even if they haven't done excessive damage.
If it results in more draws, that's better than routine robberies.

 

[Bobble Head]

Rounds with no clear winner should be scored 10-10, because the fact is some rounds are too damn even or uneventful to truly give it to one fighter or the other. As it is, judges are basically implored to do a coin flip on 50/50 rounds and who knows if they're basing it on one random punch, an interpretation of control or some other insignificant thing.

If that means more draws, so be it, at least the scoring will be more accurate. And I'd rather see that than a result that a majority of people don't accept as legitimate.

I agree, I’d prefer neither guy push forward in the rankings rather than the wrong guy.

It doesn’t have to slow down divisions too much. Neither guy would progress or regress in ranking technically, and they could just promote the guy popular opinion felt won. It would be harder to do that if he had a loss, regardless on whether it was unfair or not.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Round 1 Gane
Round 2 Volkov


It's Round 3 that is up for debate IMO. Gane didn't do much but was (sort of) threatening a submission and was competitive, Volkov certainly seemed like the winner after that fight.

I'm sure if Gane is being honest he knows he didn't win the fight.

In round 3 Gane was holding onto a Kimura for 2+ minutes with no chance of finishing it. When you attack a kimura from the bottom without actually sweeping your opponent with it, you aren't doing any damage and you sure as shit aren't even close to finishing the fight if you never get it even close to extended.

What you are doing essentially becomes stalling - you end up just holding onto a set-up that will never turn into a realistic submission attempt and gassing yourself out in the process. By going for that kimura Gane conceded to being stuck on the bottom for the entirety of the round and didn't do anything to scramble, throw shots, force transitions, because he was so tired from holding the kimura grip and trying to force a sub that wasn't there.

Every judge gave Volkov round 3 and 97% of fan votes on MMA Decisions gave Volkov round 3 - the fact that someone as knowledgeable as you thinks it's "up for debate" I find rather shocking. There is a case to be made for Gane winning round 2, though I don't see it, but there is no way in hell he did enough of anything to deserve round 3. I even think round 1 was pretty close, just Gane getting an actual deep submission attempt (even if was never going to finish it) at the end of the round swings it in his favor.

 

[Ares Black]

In round 3 Gane was holding onto a Kimura for 2+ minutes with no chance of finishing it. When you attack a kimura from the bottom without actually sweeping your opponent with it, you aren't doing any damage and you sure as shit aren't even close to finishing the fight if you never get it even close to extended.

What you are doing essentially becomes stalling - you end up just holding onto a set-up that will never turn into a realistic submission attempt and gassing yourself out in the process. By going for that kimura Gane conceded to being stuck on the bottom for the entirety of the round and didn't do anything to scramble, throw shots, force transitions, because he was so tired from holding the kimura grip and trying to force a sub that wasn't there.

Every judge gave Volkov round 3 and 97% of fan votes on MMA Decisions gave Volkov round 3 - the fact that someone as knowledgeable as you thinks it's "up for debate" I find rather shocking. There is a case to be made for Gane winning round 2, though I don't see it, but there is no way in hell he did enough of anything to deserve round 3. I even think round 1 was pretty close, just Gane getting an actual deep submission attempt (even if was never going to finish it) at the end of the round swings it in his favor.

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking

Maybe you’re like Adalaide Byrd and you were just swayed by Gane’s beautiful body…

 

[Prex32]

gane could wrestle fine with volkov but gave his neck immediately against jones
smells fishy

 

[Fact Checker]

The amount of mental gymnastics people do to justify blatant ineptitude.


There’s no one who can watch that fight and come away with the conclusion that Gane won.

 

[spinup]

The amount of mental gymnastics people do to justify blatant ineptitude.


There’s no one who can watch that fight and come away with the conclusion that Gane won.

I rewatched it. I could see a case for scoring round 2 for Gane, but I personally still give it to Volkov.

The numbers were even or slightly for Gane, but the optics was all for Volkov, he was the one going forward, landing the cleaner head punches, and drawing the biggest reactions when he connected. Gane looked uncomfortable (which now makes sense with 3 broken bones in his foot).

Now, Volkov could only go to a close decision against a badly injured Gane, so I don't think he proved to be a better fighter. I would favour Gane in a rubber match.

 

[JBJ was here]

The amount of mental gymnastics people do to justify blatant ineptitude.


There’s no one who can watch that fight and come away with the conclusion that Gane won.

The proper impression is that Gane should have lost and Volkov was there when it happened. Volkov did nothing to win and had a terrible performance. The decision was bad but hardly a robbery, and even if it were a robbery it still wouldn't be a particular injustice. If Byrd weren't one of the judges giving the fight to Gane the result would already be mostly forgotten.