Gane-Jones still has me rattled..

[Kb7]

On paper, Gane should have won by decision or TKO. The weak to non-existent wrestling in Jones' last fights combined with a YEAR for Gane to train his TDD, which HE KNEW was the only way he'd get beat in the UFC should have made it a kickboxing match that Gane should have dominated.

Only reason Jones wrestling looked weak against his past opponents is because his past opponents were much more skilled in MMA than Gane. Ngannou took Gane down without any resistance, a year of training TDD would not have helped against Jones, because Jones doesn't entirely rely on singles & doubles. Heavyweights rely solely on striking & the ability to KO their opponents, they forgot to train MMA.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Tbh I'm still laughing at the ones of ya holding onto the "McDonalds dirty bulk" nonsense.

Had he come in looking like a body builder you'd be throwing accusations.

His look isn't anything uncommon for someone trying to add bulk in the gym. Bulk phase does that, calories are increased, and you add some fluff with the muscle.

Jones just didn't do what aesthetic lifters do, following bulk phase with a cut phase... because there would be zero benefit in the cage to doing that.

 

[nately]

Jones vs Gane was a rigged fight.

 

[MuayThaiBX]

The outcome made sense because all of Gane's victories and success involve him beating guys with no intention to take him down. A HW Jones has the perfect attributes to do what he did. It was just disappointing because we wanted see Jon striking against HWs.

We got no real questions answered about Jon at HW other than he is stronger and still has great fight IQ. No feedback on his cardio, his chin, ability to deal with longer strikers, etc. He attacked Gane where he was weakest and Gane wasn't prepared.

 

[Captain Herb]

Only reason Jones wrestling looked weak against his past opponents is because his past opponents were much more skilled in MMA than Gane. Ngannou took Gane down without any resistance, a year of training TDD would not have helped against Jones, because Jones doesn't entirely rely on singles & doubles. Heavyweights rely solely on striking & the ability to KO their opponents, they forgot to train MMA.

Ngannou stuffed Stipe and made it his fight. Gane could have done the same thing.

 

[Istryker]

Ngannou stuffed Stipe and made it his fight. Gane could have done the same thing.

^^^^^

 

[VAfan]

It is fine to change your mind when presented with new facts and evidence. If you don't, you are poised to become a conspiracy theorist. At this point, people who can't recognize Jon Jones as the GOAT are most likely facing cognitive dissonance.

*cough* peds *cough*

 

[Hima Hamrash]

Cause nobody was ready for Jon at HW, Plus

That Jon would've also done that to ANY, JUST ANY HW in his debut had he fought any HW in his debut? so it's not Necessarily Gane, no HW was ready for Jon, nobody knew what type of fighter he'd be at HW but he just gotten stronger than b4, so no HW would've had business with Jon in his HW debut whatsoever, he came back after 3 years, feeling motivated, but man, Gane had balls of steel to be the guy to welcome Jon in his HW Debut.

But rn people are shitting on Gane and say that he's a Fraud and Overrated when he's actually not IMO, the guy is still far from hitting his prime, he beat all these HW's even b4 he'd be in his prime, to rise to title contention after 3 years from fighting in MMA and win the interim title and fight for undisputed title x2 is monumental, plus ppl giving him crap for losing to 1 legged FN in a close fight actually, like, I didn't see fans give Jon this much crap for almost losing to 1 legged Santos, or almost losing to Reyes who both rn are on losing streaks, right?

But rn with Jon putting the division on notice, all the HWs are training for their grappling and wrestling, especially Gane ofc, and any HW who would fight Jon next would do better against him than Gane, same with Gane had Gane fought Jon later and there would've been any Sacrificial lamb would've replaced Gane to welcome Jon in his HW debut, the HWs would watch that sacrificial lamb get outworked by Jon in a mere of seconds, and then, the other HWs would do better than that HW that got mauled by Jon against Jon, even Gane himself.

And yeah, I feel you, I also still can't believe it too!!!!

 

[GoGetSomeFansJon]

Anyone who favored Gane in this fight doesn’t have a clue about MMA.

So pretty much most of this forum and the betting lines cuz Jon was the underdog if i remember and most here did say Gane was gonna wash him.

 

[Hima Hamrash]

So pretty much most of this forum and the betting lines cuz Jon was the underdog if i remember and most here did say Gane was gonna wash him.

The oddsmakers also did put Jon as an underdog in a potential fight with FN, cause the fans weren't taking Jon seriously about him making his HW debut and they were clowning him about that he wouldn't dare to move up to HW and that he's afraid, but with him coming back fr, the oddsmakers put him as a favorite.

 

[ocfightfan]

Gane got taken down by Ngannou a guy without a wrestling background so it was probably size and strength as well as the element of surprise. Jones is an actual skilled wrestler who out wrestled DC a guy who made it to the Olympics. It should surprise no one that Jones would easily outwrestle Gane.

 

[Sasha]

IMO Gane would have at least been a little more combative if that happened in the middle of the fight (I mean, it did happen at the middle of the fight, because it lasted like a minute, but you see what I mean lol) , he is literally used to having a few rounds of warming, with the opponents barely touching him in the process.
But Jones is better, directly went for Gane's weakest point, and finished easily, as much as this disappointed me. Gane's flaws were already known, but not actually tested (Francis wasn't a wrestling test, Ngannou might actually be a better wrestler than Gane ,he probably is, but he's predominately a LOT stronger than him. Furthermore, Gane wasn't THAT far from winning the Ngannou fight).

I wonder if Gane even realized the fight had started. That's not to say he could have won, obviously, but getting endangered from the get go isn't something he's used to.

What I mean is, in addition to the skill gap, Gane is psychologically like those guys that, because of their natural talents, never had to work their asses off to win. They lack some combativity. And it still worked until he faced the very best.

We were hoping that would change after fighting Francis, but whatever he did was clearly not enough against Jones.
He doesn't have to become a D1 wrestler, just actually get some decent TDD. With his mobility and athleticism, I thought it would be doable.

I'm confident that, against pure strikers, he'll always be a nightmare, but better rounded guys like Pavlovitch and Aspinall are already here, so he'd better think about what he really wants.

No shame in losing to JJ, but shit, that was ugly.

 

[Dandy Chiggins]

In going to go ahead and assume you were one of the few people here making threads about Jones "fat" body and how he looks bad for someone bulking for HW fight. I have no sympathy for you.

 

[tomjones]

Jones is the Ali of mma.

 

[MeatWagon06]

 

[Pechan]

Didn't you see the two HW classics last night? This is a division of killers

 

[Kb7]

Ngannou stuffed Stipe and made it his fight. Gane could have done the same thing.

He could've, but something about Ganes movement & lack of explosive timing that Ngannou has when it comes recognizing a shot leads me to believe Gane would have a harder time improving. Ngannou stuffing Stipes takedown didn't impress me, it was a sloppy takedown attempt by Stipe. What impressed me was Ngannou ability to reverse it and have success by getting to Stipe back & landing a few shots.

 

[kenetics]

How does it not make sense?

Jones is literally the first wrestler Gane faced in his entire career.

Most of us who aren't casuals called this.

Dude would've been shock again once Alex fought a wrestler too lol.

 

[IsNormal]

It makes plenty of sense. Gane didn't just get taken down by Ngannou, he got take down 4 times and controlled by a guy who's maybe a blue belt.

in hindsight it seems oblivious.

I guess the theory was that Ngannou's striking threat was so big, and him going for takedowns so unexpected, that he got them for free - similar to how some amazing grapplers with shit striking can land bombs just cause the opponent is expecting a TD.

There was also lots of talk that Jon doesn't really go for offensive wrestling anymore, and looked terribly slow the last time he was shooting or feinting

 

[Hima Hamrash]

(This is a safe space for those that have been affected by Jon Jones)

It just doesn't make any sense how easily he beat Gane, eah he got taken down by ngannou but the layoff and mcdonalds dirty bulk look shoulda caught up to him.


He can't keep getting away with this......

Fluke Submission, like Pena/Nunes, that was like getting attacked from behind, nobody was ready for what type of fighter Jon would be at HW, plus that was Gane unprepared, and doesn't have ground game that much, plus he's still far from hitting his prime, an improved Gane kills him in a rematch, or even, let's hope Sergei kills Jon and Gane beats Sergei, and like that, Gane have levelled Jon up, I have high hopes, let's hope, my friend.