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TPU only tests 3 games though, PCGH tests 20 (or 14 for CPUs).
I've always been tempted to buy the latest XX90 (or even the 3090 Ti) and see how efficient it could be with undervolting. Apparently you can drop a 4090 to 60% and only lose 8% in performance at 4k.
 
My Spot said:
TPU only tests 3 games though, PCGH tests 20 (or 14 for CPUs).
I've always been tempted to buy the latest XX90 (or even the 3090 Ti) and see how efficient it could be with undervolting. Apparently you can drop a 4090 to 60% and only lose 8% in performance at 4k.
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Well, it is an interesting contention you raise. I hadn't really paid attention to this since we never really looked at things like IPC with GPUs the way we do with CPUs-- assessments of efficiency have always been more practically minded than that.

But AMD does win the theoretical race here in one important regard:

AMD RDNA4 Navi 48 is 25% denser than Nvidia Blackwell GPUs — 53.9 billion transistors in a die smaller than GB203​

 
Madmick said:
Well, it is an interesting contention you raise. I hadn't really paid attention to this since we never really looked at things like IPC with GPUs the way we do with CPUs-- assessments of efficiency have always been more practically minded than that.

But AMD does win the theoretical race here in one important regard:

AMD RDNA4 Navi 48 is 25% denser than Nvidia Blackwell GPUs — 53.9 billion transistors in a die smaller than GB203​

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My god man all they need is a path tracing solution and everyone can tell NVidia to go kick sand
 
WhiteMousse said:
My god man all they need is a path tracing solution and everyone can tell NVidia to go kick sand
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That's....optimistic lol. They have very good relationships with system integrators and even they don't want AMD GPUs outside of entry level so far.
 
2025/06/16 RTX 5000 PCPP Prices
5060 (MSI Shadow 2x OC): $300 (MSRP)
5060 Ti 16GB (Gigabyte Windforce): $430 (MSRP)
5070 (PNY OC): $550 (MSRP)
5070 Ti (MSI Shadow 3x OC): $840 ($90 above MSRP)
5080 (PNY Verto): $1390 ($390 above MSRP)
5090 (Zotac Gaming Solid): $2913 ($913 above MSRP)

2025/06/16 RX 9000 PCPP Prices
9060 XT 16GB (ASRock Challenger OC): $370 ($20 above MSRP)
9070 (Sapphire Pure): $620 ($70 above MSRP)
9070 XT (Gigabyte Gaming OC): $740 ($140 above MSRP)

2025/06/16 RTX 4000 Ebay Prices
4060: $250 + $16.20 shipping
4060 Ti: $330 + $13.43 shipping
4070: $525
4070 Super: $5
4070 Ti Super: $775
4080: $841.50 + $13 shipping
4080 Super: $925 + $17.42 shipping
4090: $2124.97

Also, MC has started selling refurbished RTX 4000 cards.
4070 $500
4070 Super $570
4070 Ti $620
4080 $990
4090 $1700 (some Asus ROG model that's liquid cooled)

Relative performance charts for 1080p/1440p/4k:

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PowerColor Radeon RX 9060 XT Reaper 8 GB Review

We're taking a look at the AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8 GB, which comes with only half the memory size of the 16 GB models, but is at least $50 cheaper. Data from the review suggests that NVIDIA's memory management is much less efficient than the one used on RDNA 4, giving AMD the upper hand.
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My Spot said:
Also, MC has started selling refurbished RTX 4000 cards.

4070 $500
4070 Super $570
4070 Ti $620
4080 $990
4090 $1700 (some Asus ROG model that's liquid cooled)
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Would have been nice months ago but now that their stock has increased on the 5000 series it's pretty much a wash on most of these. 5070 brand new is in-between refurb 4070 super and Ti price wise (some of the 9070s are even falling in that range). 5070 Ti there's a lot at my location that are $100 cheaper than the 4080 but almost the exact same performance.

Technically the 4070 is a decent deal but only because there's nothing good new in that range (the 9070 non XT was supposed to be a deal in that range but it's still minimum $600). Pretty embarrassing that matching a 5-year-old 3080 performance at $500 refurbished is now considered a decent deal.
 
That 4090 is tempting since I'm obsessed with efficiency and would love to see how low I could undervolt it.
 
560ti said:
Pretty embarrassing that matching a 5-year-old 3080 performance at $500 refurbished is now considered a decent deal.
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Its becoming more obvious that technology companies need persistently new unrealistic goals to spur investment. Unlike the .com, VR and metaverse bubbles of the past. AI datacenters are negatively impacting products for regular consumers by driving up retail prices in multitudes.
 
I wish Sony would commit to PSVR2 the way they (sorta) did with PSVR.
 
I'm thinking of riding out until early 26. The problem is my computer tells me I'm not ready for Windows 11. Ordinarily I wouldn't care but support for 10 stops in October. I'm trying to get my MoBo to activate TMP 2.0. It's a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC AM4, and from what I understand it's compatible, but I can't find the damn option in the Bios
 
WhiteMousse said:
I'm thinking of riding out until early 26. The problem is my computer tells me I'm not ready for Windows 11. Ordinarily I wouldn't care but support for 10 stops in October. I'm trying to get my MoBo to activate TMP 2.0. It's a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC AM4, and from what I understand it's compatible, but I can't find the damn option in the Bios
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I'm on a Gigabyte motherboard. Yeah, it's pretty obnoxious how poorly they indicate how to do this with the manual. So in your manual, you'll see the option on p.32:

So you want to go the the main "Settings" tab in the BIOS. From there, pick the "Miscellaneous" option. Inside the Miscellaneous section, find the "Trusted Computing" section. Click on that, and now inside of that section, somewhere there should be something that says "Disabled" that you want to set to "Enabled". The manual indicates for your motherboard it will be read "AMD CPU fTPM". It might read as 'AMD Firmware Trusted Platform Technology' or something similar. Whatever it is, it will be somewhere in there you have to Enable.
 
Madmick said:
I'm on a Gigabyte motherboard. Yeah, it's pretty obnoxious how poorly they indicate how to do this with the manual. So in your manual, you'll see the option on p.32:

So you want to go the the main "Settings" tab in the BIOS. From there, pick the "Miscellaneous" option. Inside the Miscellaneous section, find the "Trusted Computing" section. Click on that, and now inside of that section, somewhere there should be something that says "Disabled" that you want to set to "Enabled". The manual indicates for your motherboard it will be read "AMD CPU fTPM". It might read as 'AMD Firmware Trusted Platform Technology' or something similar. Whatever it is, it will be somewhere in there you have to Enable.
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Holy shit thank you man
 
WhiteMousse said:
I'm thinking of riding out until early 26. The problem is my computer tells me I'm not ready for Windows 11. Ordinarily I wouldn't care but support for 10 stops in October. I'm trying to get my MoBo to activate TMP 2.0. It's a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC AM4, and from what I understand it's compatible, but I can't find the damn option in the Bios
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If you get really lazy you can buy a TPM module for like 10 bucks. But sounds like you got the issue solved.
 
Looking to buy a RTX 5090 in the next couple of weeks. Torn between the AORUS Master and Suprim. Probably no difference at all, so just buy the cheaper one?

Are there any guys with gorilla hands here? My hands are pretty big, can hold a basketball with one hand easily (for reference), and have had trouble of finding a comfortable mouse to play with. Heard good things about the Deathadder v3 aside from broken mouse wheels.
 
Municipal Waste said:
Looking to buy a RTX 5090 in the next couple of weeks. Torn between the AORUS Master and Suprim. Probably no difference at all, so just buy the cheaper one?

Are there any guys with gorilla hands here? My hands are pretty big, can hold a basketball with one hand easily (for reference), and have had trouble of finding a comfortable mouse to play with. Heard good things about the Deathadder v3 aside from broken mouse wheels.
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If you're not paying a markup, go with MSI.

TPU is the only outlet that compares a large number of AIBs, and MSI has been routinely topping cooling/noise performance charts relative to other manufacturers of the same particular NVIDIA card. In this case, here is the 5090. The Astral Liquid is top, here, but that's because it's an absurdly expensive water-cooled ASUS variant ($3400 MSRP).
www.techpowerup.com

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC Review - The Most Expensive GPU I've Ever Tested

The $3400 ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC is the company's flagship RTX 5090 model. It uses a 360 mm liquid cooling solution to handle the 600 W heat output of the RTX 5090 GPU. Testing in our review confirms: it's the fastest RTX 5090, with lowest temps and best thermals, but also with...
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Madmick said:
If you're not paying a markup, go with MSI.

TPU is the only outlet that compares a large number of AIBs, and MSI has been routinely topping cooling/noise performance charts relative to other manufacturers of the same particular NVIDIA card. In this case, here is the 5090. The Astral Liquid is top, here, but that's because it's an absurdly expensive water-cooled ASUS variant ($3400 MSRP).
www.techpowerup.com

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC Review - The Most Expensive GPU I've Ever Tested

The $3400 ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC is the company's flagship RTX 5090 model. It uses a 360 mm liquid cooling solution to handle the 600 W heat output of the RTX 5090 GPU. Testing in our review confirms: it's the fastest RTX 5090, with lowest temps and best thermals, but also with...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
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Thanks for the detailed answer, learned something new. Going for the air cooled MSI Suprim in that case. "Cheapest" its been yet at 2780 EUR.
 
That's exactly how much it costs at MC here ($3225). Look at some of the other 5090s not covered in those charts and they may be a lot cheaper.

Zotac Solid
MSI Ventus
Gigabyte Master Ice
PNY Epic X OC
PNY OC
Gigabyte Aorus Master
MSI Gaming Trio
 
Madmick said:
If you're not paying a markup, go with MSI.

TPU is the only outlet that compares a large number of AIBs, and MSI has been routinely topping cooling/noise performance charts relative to other manufacturers of the same particular NVIDIA card. In this case, here is the 5090. The Astral Liquid is top, here, but that's because it's an absurdly expensive water-cooled ASUS variant ($3400 MSRP).
www.techpowerup.com

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC Review - The Most Expensive GPU I've Ever Tested

The $3400 ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral Liquid OC is the company's flagship RTX 5090 model. It uses a 360 mm liquid cooling solution to handle the 600 W heat output of the RTX 5090 GPU. Testing in our review confirms: it's the fastest RTX 5090, with lowest temps and best thermals, but also with...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
cooler-performance-comparison-gpu.png

cooler-performance-comparison-mem.png
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Well shucks. I'm going with MSI then
 
My Spot said:
That's exactly how much it costs at MC here ($3225). Look at some of the other 5090s not covered in those charts and they may be a lot cheaper.

Zotac Solid
MSI Ventus
Gigabyte Master Ice
PNY Epic X OC
PNY OC
Gigabyte Aorus Master
MSI Gaming Trio
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WhiteMousse said:
Well shucks. I'm going with MSI then
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Indeed, generally speaking, I don't think one should be too much of a brand hound. Just proceed through the cheapest options, and make sure one didn't catch a glaringly bad review due to some design flaw, or has a poor reputation online with owners for something like coil whine or some weird known firmware issue. Because at their heart they're all really just the same product.

I'm pretty sure I already posted it, but published earlier this year, or maybe last year, as reported by a Swiss retailer. MSI is solid on both sides, here, too:
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After that, eyeball the Boost Clock. Once you see a jump you're probably seeing an indication of the higher-binned cards that that board partner received from NVIDIA. So those are the choicest cuts. Unfortunately, usually they're not worth it because the higher clockspeed isn't proportional to the increased asking price. You tend to get very little (like +5% performance) for a lot.

Putting it altogether, with a glance at PCPP, I'd opine the introductory tier MSI Shadow 2X or MSI Ventus 2X RTX 5070 is the best value among the NVIDIA RTX 50 series atm on the American market ($600-$620).

Since Municipal is already spending so much on the 5090, though, and the most powerful cards tend to be louder, I think paying a bit higher premium is reasonable, so the Suprim might be a justifiable choice. However, @Municipal Waste, I just checked the UK PCPP, and it appears the Ventus 3X is only £1889.99 from Overclockers UK:
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I definitely don't think a 1K quid premium for the Suprim is justified over that.
 
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