Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[jefferz]

Not the brand, the GPU market as a whole. They are intentionally handicapping the entire Pc gaming market.




While its the game i primarily play. Its a great indicator of hardware performance because of CS2's optimization. For context CS2's 1% lows produce 200% more frames per second than the other test games averaged frames per second.

Nothing in the GPU market makes sense and people are finding this acceptable.

Then we have the AMD fanboys acting like this:

CS2 has had performance issues since launch. Shit, look at T spawn on Ancient, they still haven't fixed that shit.

Even the NA god has brought it up.

 

[KaNesDeath]

I hope someone in this thread is getting paid by Nvidia. Because if not...

Im not going to be a corporate shill for GPU companies that are x2'ing and x3'ing their MSRP. AMD and especially Nvidia deserve no admiration in this regard.

 

[KaNesDeath]

CS2 has had performance issues since launch. Shit, look at T spawn on Ancient, they still haven't fixed that shit.

Water physics tanks frames per second. Because of its location on Ancient and how it doesnt interfere with play thats why it remains. While on Overpass the water in Water and Pit were removed to stabilize frames per second.

Elige when he posted that was out of touch on the topic. June of last year the game got a optimization patch assigning in-game actions more closely to frame generation. This resulted in a 10-30% frame per second loss across the board depending upon the individuals hardware. With that map Elige is picturing, locally run Workshop maps also had a performance bug addressed a few months later after that tweet.

 

[jefferz]

Water physics tanks frames per second. Because of its location on Ancient and how it doesnt interfere with play thats why it remains. While on Overpass the water in Water and Pit were removed to stabilize frames per second.

Elige when he posted that was out of touch on the topic. June of last year the game got a optimization patch assigning in-game actions more closely to frame generation. This resulted in a 10-30% frame per second loss across the board depending upon the individuals hardware. With that map Elige is picturing, locally run Workshop maps also had a performance bug addressed a few months later after that tweet.

Now you're just talking out your ass.

 

[GtehMVP]

I dont understand your hatred for the brand. Its pretty clear that AMD just dropped the best value card we are going to get this generation. You should be praising them right now and hoping nvidia has to respond to win some customers back.

I have had nvidia cards exculsively for the last 10 years. The 1080ti and the 3080 are all time goats. But this generation nvidia really pissed me off. Their acting like a monopoly selling their cards at a super high price, providing no stock, lying about whats in the box, selling a product that might melt, selling them with less rops than advertised, and gimping the vram on their 5080.

I have been wanting to build a new pc and was holding off for this generation to do it. As a customer I am fairly loyal to nvidia, but there is only so much bullshit I am going to put up with and they definitely crossed that line. It's so bad I don't know what theyre thinking. Right now I might decide to just sit it out another gen; the 3080 holds up fine for the amount of gaming I do these days. I am seriously considering the 9070xt though. Nvidia definitley lost a sale, and they might lose me as a customer.

This is exactly where I'm at. Of all the cards I've had, the 1080 Ti and 3080 have been total bangers for me.

I've been team green all the way for a long time, as like many before, I've had driver issues with AMD/ATi, outside a couple (rx 480 bless). I'm willing to pay more for Nvidia's superior suite of features, but shit's getting out of hand.

With my 3080, and thanks to the transformer mode update, I can use ultra performance in DLSS (looks damn good still) and run path tracing in Cyberpunk at 1440p with a near locked 50 FPS, until I get to Dogtown of course lol. My frames drop into the 20's too often there.

Path tracing with HDR in CP is a game changer. I can't play it without it now, but I want a stable 60 FPS without having to nuke other settings.

I was planning on upgrading to a 50 series card, but I really despise what they're doing currently. For such a wealthy company that doesn't need to behave this way, it's disgusting.

My first high end GPU was a radeon 9700 pro around 2003. That beast carried me easily through Doom 3, Half life 2, and all the goodness from that era, so I'm really tempted to pull the trigger here, if only to toss them some market share and the nostalgia of that 9700 name.

It really sucks that CDPR still only use FSR 3.0 for CP, so who knows when/if they'll ever implement FSR 4. I'm sure I can get get path tracing running with a decent frame rate, but FSR 3 looks like ass in CP. Frame Gen is a nightmare.

My 3080 is still doing fine for the most part, so I'll prob just sit this round out.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Now you're just talking out your ass.

First tournament organizer to use the 7800X3D was PGL in March of 2024. For that event they upgraded the CPU twice. From a 5950X to 5800X3D to finally 7800X3D. For Pro's were complaining about framerates. Guess what CPU Elige was using in his home Pc at that time of his tweet, a 5950X. **Here are the June 2024 patches increasing graphical setting options and further assigning actions to framerate.

Took till Fall of 2024 for all Pro home Pc's, practice facilities and tournament Pc's to be AM5 upgraded. Monitors they use today range from 360hz to 540hz.

I was wrong about the September patch. That dealt with a visual delayed hitreg bug with locally run Workshop maps.

Judging by the monitor base design at PGL Cluj they were using a 360hz or 380hz ASUS. Where Elige was rated 3rd for the event. Pc specs they had at minimum was a 4080 with 7800X3D. An the one thing we know about CS Pro's is if the Pc's are bad they will complain everywhere, lol. An we didnt get a peep from one.

 

[Madmick]

Your losing the plot. Celebrating AMD isnt price gouging you at the same rate of Nvidia. Yet we are still being price gouged by both.

You're the dude who just said the 9070 XT performs on par with the RTX 3070, and asserted it was tantamount to "useless" GPUs like the 3050. I'm losing the script?


We'd all love to live in a pre-COVID, pre-cryptoboom, pre-AI datacenter goldrush GPU market. But we don't. Yesterday is yesterday. Although per that perspective, take a look at the RX 5700 XT which launched in July 2019.

5700 XT	RX 9070 XT
$495 MSRP (inflation-adjusted)	$599 MSRP
No physical ray-tracing cores No physical tensor cores (leveraged by FSR)	Yep Yep
No VRAM capacity advantage over similarly priced NVIDIA counterparts (ex. RTX 2060 Super)	25% more VRAM than RTX 5070 ($549) 25% more VRAM than RTX 4070 Super ($599)
Dead even in rasterization with the older 2018 +$100 RTX 2070, it was actually most often pitted in feature articles against the equally MSRP'd RTX 2060 Super, usually won by 5%-8% [TPU]	Stomping the contemporaneous RTX 5070 by ~15%, just a few percent off the +$150 5070 Ti July 2025 Update: >5070 by 21%, surpasses 5070 Ti by 3%
Averaged 88fps in Techpowerup suite at 1440p	Averaged 136fps in Techpowerup suite at 1440p

That last row is one defense we gamers rarely raise in defense of the price hikes, and works for either company. Because manufacturing costs are rising, too, even if not as great as what they're passing onto us. The consolation is that the advancements are outpacing the increased demands of AAA gaming. The games benched and their settings are variable, but the basic truth isn't misrepresented; so yes, the GPU costs more, even adjusted for inflation, but the consumer is getting a level of game performance respective to the latest gaming demands that would have cost two price classes above half a decade ago.

 

[KaNesDeath]

You're the dude who just said the 9070 XT performs on par with the RTX 3070, and asserted it was tantamount to "useless" GPUs like the 3050. I'm losing the script?

Now this misinterpretation. Said the 9070XT performs like a mid tier 3000 series card. That is appealing to consumers who purchase 3050's, aka those who make bad value buys.

 

[Madmick]

Now this misinterpretation.

Since this website hasnt loaded for me in the past month i'll make this quick. The 9070XT performance results are bad. Its basically a mid-tier Nvidia 3000 for $600 in 2025. When the 3070 cost around $500 in November of 2022.

The 3070 would be the most generous "mid-tier NVIDIA 3000" series GPU described by that phrase. Otherwise you were saying it was "basically" a 3060 Ti or 3060.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Now this misinterpretation. Said the 9070XT performs like a mid tier 3000 series card. That is appealing to consumers who purchase 3050's, aka those who make bad value buys.

This is just truly odd. What card right now is a good value? There’s no card out there is offering a better value, even if we use the fake MSRPs for the nvidia cards.

 

[My Spot]

Over 100 9070 XTs still in stock and over 30 still in stock at MSRP. Fuck it, I may as well buy one and sell my 4070 Super.

 

[KaNesDeath]

This is just truly odd. What card right now is a good value?

None.

 

[Blayt7hh]

None.

Well it’s a near 5070 ti for substantial less so I don’t know how you’re arriving at the conclusion that it’s a bad value. You compared it to a 3050 which was just nonsensical

I’m pretty confident this is brand hatred. That’s weird dude.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Well it’s a near 5070 ti for substantial less so I don’t know how you’re arriving at the conclusion that it’s a bad value. You compared it to a 3050 which was just nonsensical

I’m pretty confident this is brand hatred. That’s weird dude.

Cheapest 9070XT at Microcenter retails at 5070ti's MSRP, $749.

My next Pc upgrade is when AMD releases their eight core 11000 series X3D CPU.

 

[My Spot]

Cheapest 9070XT at Microcenter retails at 5070ti's MSRP, $749.

Yeah, you're just completely full of shit at this point.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Yeah, you're just completely full of shit at this point.

Website is populating products only through your selected store availability. Cheapest XT available here across all four NY stores is made by PowerColor at $749. First known name brand XT card is from ASUS which costs $759.

That ASRock card you posted is only available here in the non-XT version, it costs $639.

Only 4 out of 17 available 9000 series cards retail at MSRP. Those four cards are the non-XT variant. While the other 6 non-XT cards retail ranging from $619 to $709.

 

[My Spot]

Website is populating products only through your selected store availability. Cheapest XT available here across all four NY stores is made by PowerColor at $749. First known name brand XT card is from ASUS which costs $759.

That ASRock card you posted is only available here in the non-XT version, it costs $639.

Only 4 out of 17 available 9000 series cards retail at MSRP. Those four cards are the non-XT variant. While the other 6 non-XT cards retail ranging from $619 to $709.

Just take the L, man. It's sad at this point.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Just take the L, man. It's sad at this point.

Yeah, me not buying a card retailing at 25% over MSRP is an L on me......


Let me ask you. How much are the known name brand 9070XT's like Asus or Gigabyte retailing for at you Microcenter?

 

[My Spot]

Yeah, me not buying a card retailing at 25% over MSRP is an L on me......


Let me ask you. How much are the known name brand 9070XT's like Asus or Gigabyte retailing for at you Microcenter?

 

[560ti]

Went to microcenter early today. They had just sold the last MSRP 9070XT which was the Asus Prime.

They had 6 versions at MSRP with all of them 25+ units each. The way more expensive variants were still those same 6 companies but the higher tier lines like the Taichi, Red Devil, Aorus, Nitro.

Will be interesting to see how quickly they re-stock and if tariffs will play a factor once they get the 2nd wave.