Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[KaNesDeath]

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1% uplift over their $499 MSRP GPU released 1-1/2 years ago at a increased $100 MSRP. Its even performing worse than the bad price to performance value Nvidia GPU's.

Whats muddying the water here is the flooded, horrid and overpriced skus Nvidia has released since 2022 that arent even manufactured anymore.

 

[Madmick]

Where did you get that conclusion from? On HW Unboxed they have the RX 9070XT compared to the RTX 3070 as:
189% performance in 1440p raster (on par with 4070 Ti Super)
242% performance in 4k raster (on par with 5070 Ti)

Their raytracing charts didn’t list the RTX 3070, but the RX 9070 XT was on par with the RTX 5070 in both 1440p and 4k. So not gen-for-gen tier-for-tier parity with nVidia, but a notable improvement from AMD’s last gen cards.

AMD came out fucking swinging. Like Steve said in the video I posted a few days ago, they've always been the "NVIDIA...minus $50" brand. Not this time. One gets the impression they've seen how overwhelmingly negative the sentiment towards NVIDIA has become, sensed it has reached a fever pitch, and they went for the throat. It's closer to NVIDIA...minus $150.

 

[560ti]

Will be interesting to see the real street prices once stock goes up + the entire product line is out.

9070XT is in a good long-term position. It's cheaper to produce than the $500 7800XT (same die size but extra cost savings with no chiplet tech and GDDR6 being way way cheaper now in price).

9070 non XT I wouldn't be surprised if it drops in price once the 9060 and 9060XT come out. Will help alleviate what would be a very large price segment gap from the 9060XT to 9070.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Where did you get that conclusion from?

These are game performance results in unoptimized games using obsolete Nvidia skus that when released were bad values and products.

Given inflation the 9070XT is a $400 GPU, not $600.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Dont know if anyone posted this gem. Something we learned from Nvidias investor report released recently.

Suspected enterprise was driving Nvidia sales. Just not at a whopping 91%. Nvidia are no longer a GPU company for Pc gaming consumers:

This really pisses me off

 

[WhiteMousse]

Sometimes it sucks living close to a MC because they sure love to troll potential customers. "Congratulations, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 24GB GDDR7 is now back in-stock at your preferred location!"

The "5090" that's "in-stock"

If you're able to get a Gigabyte Aorus 5090 WB I will pay you a $500.00 fee. I'll also come up and buy you a beer

 

[Madmick]

These are game performance results in unoptimized games using obsolete Nvidia skus that when released were bad values and products.

Given inflation the 9070XT is a $400 GPU, not $600.

LMFAO, it's a $599 MSRP card holding pace in rasterization with the RTX 5070 Ti and RTX 4070 Ti Super. These are 2025 ($749) and 2024 ($799) SKUs.

The only question buyers have to ask themselves now, once they first sort out which GPUs they can actually buy, and at what price, is how much of a premium they're willing to pay for NVIDIA's upscaling image quality + ray-tracing + multi-frame generation advantages. At MSRP, the question simply becomes: is the +25% "NVIDIA tax" worth those advantages to you?

 

[avenue94]

Dont know if anyone posted this gem. Something we learned from Nvidias investor report released recently.

Suspected enterprise was driving Nvidia sales. Just not at a whopping 91%. Nvidia are no longer a GPU company for Pc gaming consumers:

They report breakouts every quarter. They've been a datacenter first company more or less since the covid bubble popped.

 

[My Spot]

It was raining all night here and chilly and there were still people camped out for a 5070. Every model sold out except for a model that's almost $200 above MSRP.

 

[KaNesDeath]

LMFAO, it's a $599 MSRP card holding pace in rasterization with the RTX 5070 Ti and RTX 4070 Ti Super. These are 2025 ($749) and 2024 ($799) SKUs.

Your losing the plot. Celebrating AMD isnt price gouging you at the same rate of Nvidia. Yet we are still being price gouged by both.

 

[avenue94]

Will be interesting to see the real street prices once stock goes up + the entire product line is out.

9070XT is in a good long-term position. It's cheaper to produce than the $500 7800XT (same die size but extra cost savings with no chiplet tech and GDDR6 being way way cheaper now in price).

9070 non XT I wouldn't be surprised if it drops in price once the 9060 and 9060XT come out. Will help alleviate what would be a very large price segment gap from the 9060XT to 9070.

It's a node jump though, so probably a wash, even if not including the investment on the software side.

 

[KaNesDeath]

They report breakouts every quarter. They've been a datacenter first company more or less since the covid bubble popped.

One side note from the graph is how game streaming as a consumer product flopped.

 

[560ti]

It's a node jump though, so probably a wash, even if not including the investment on the software side.

It's not really a true node jump though.

The specific variant of 5mm that the 9070 series is on (N4C) is actually higher yields and cheaper manufacturing cost compared to last gen. Basically a 5mm refresh.

 

[avenue94]

It's not really a true node jump though.

The specific variant of 5mm that the 9070 series is on (N4C) is actually higher yields and cheaper manufacturing cost compared to last gen. Basically a 5mm refresh.

Process jump to be more clear. I've never seen N4P quoted as a lower price than 5nm. Where have you seen that?

The tradeoff of going to monolithic would also be lower total yields compared to chiplet, although no idea if that will matter enough after binning

 

[Slobodan]

Since this website hasnt loaded for me in the past month i'll make this quick. The 9070XT performance results are bad. Its basically a mid-tier Nvidia 3000 for $600 in 2025. When the 3070 cost around $500 in November of 2022.

Only users who should be buying this are those on 2000 series and lower Nvidia GPU's. However those who will primarily be buying this are ones who buy useless GPU's like the 3050.

 

[Slobodan]

6:13 timestamp:




1% uplift over their $499 MSRP GPU released 1-1/2 years ago at a increased $100 MSRP. Its even performing worse than the bad price to performance value Nvidia GPU's.

Whats muddying the water here is the flooded, horrid and overpriced skus Nvidia has released since 2022 that arent even manufactured anymore.

Ah your comment makes sense now, apart from CS no other games exist eh? Lol

 

[Blayt7hh]

Your losing the plot. Celebrating AMD isnt price gouging you at the same rate of Nvidia. Yet we are still being price gouged by both.

I dont understand your hatred for the brand. Its pretty clear that AMD just dropped the best value card we are going to get this generation. You should be praising them right now and hoping nvidia has to respond to win some customers back.

I have had nvidia cards exculsively for the last 10 years. The 1080ti and the 3080 are all time goats. But this generation nvidia really pissed me off. Their acting like a monopoly selling their cards at a super high price, providing no stock, lying about whats in the box, selling a product that might melt, selling them with less rops than advertised, and gimping the vram on their 5080.

I have been wanting to build a new pc and was holding off for this generation to do it. As a customer I am fairly loyal to nvidia, but there is only so much bullshit I am going to put up with and they definitely crossed that line. It's so bad I don't know what theyre thinking. Right now I might decide to just sit it out another gen; the 3080 holds up fine for the amount of gaming I do these days. I am seriously considering the 9070xt though. Nvidia definitley lost a sale, and they might lose me as a customer.

 

[Slobodan]

I dont understand your hatred for the brand. Its pretty clear that AMD just dropped the best value card we are going to get this generation.

I have had nvidia cards exculsively for the last 10 years. The 1080ti and the 3080 are all time goats. But this generation nvidia really pissed me off. Their acting like a monopoly selling their cards at a super high price, providing no stock, lying about whats in the box, selling a product that might melt, selling them with less rops than advertised, and gimping the vram on their 5080.

I have been wanting to build a new pc and was holding off for this generation to do it. As a customer I am fairly loyal to nvidia, but there is only so much bullshit I am going to put up with and they definitely crossed that line. It's so bad I don't know what theyre thinking. Right now I might decide to just sit it out another gen; the 3080 holds up fine for the amount of gaming I do these days. I am seriously considering the 9070xt though. Nvidia definitley lost a sale, and they might lose me as a customer.

He's a counter strike player, he bases all his opinions on how a card or CPU performs in that game

 

[My Spot]

I hope someone in this thread is getting paid by Nvidia. Because if not...

 

[KaNesDeath]

I dont understand your hatred for the brand.

Not the brand, the GPU market as a whole. They are intentionally handicapping the entire Pc gaming market.

Ah your comment makes sense now, apart from CS no other games exist eh?

While its the game i primarily play. Its a great indicator of hardware performance because of CS2's optimization. For context CS2's 1% lows produce 200% more frames per second than the other test games averaged frames per second.

Nothing in the GPU market makes sense and people are finding this acceptable.

Then we have the AMD fanboys acting like this: