Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

mixmastermo said:
See my post above.. not Jen's fault there aren't many games that can keep up with him. Of course he's going to start looking at sexy robots.
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More like most of the gaming customer base (aka mostly console and midrange pc) can't afford these features or have no interest in them. Devs aren't going to spend time and money if the ROI isn't there.
 
I'd probably be better off waiting this gen out then getting a 6070 at $500 to get 5090 performance...
 
mixmastermo said:
I'd probably be better off waiting this gen out then getting a 6070 at $500 to get 5090 performance...
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Raw performance wise I'd wager that a base line 6070 ends up slower than a 4090 let alone a 5090. The 4070 was like on par with a previous gen 3080 and the 5070-spec wise is rumored to be slower than a 4080.

4070 to 6070 is only technically going to be one die shrink (5000 series is the same node as 4000) so asking the xx70 series to at least double in performance in that span is extremely unlikely.
 
Slobodan said:
AMD showed off FS4, the upscaling portion though. Hardware Unboxed and Digital Foundry were both impressed. FSR 3 already has frame generation, I'm guessing FS4 will just improve upon that.


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That's all good in theory, but in reality, in games released, the difference in image quality between the two is gaping, now. It's night and day to the naked eye. Look at the comparison slide-screenshots from Techpowerup for Silent Hill 2. Years ago, DLSS had a lot of hype, but when I looked at comparisons, I felt there was a give and take. Not anymore. FSR is plainly inferior when you look at DLSS 2.2 and later:
www.techpowerup.com

Silent Hill 2 Remake: DLSS vs. FSR vs. XeSS Comparison Review

Silent Hill 2 Remake is out now on PC, with support for NVIDIA's DLSS Super Resolution, Intel's Xe Super Sampling, UE5's Temporal Super Resolution and AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution upscaling. In this review we compare the image quality and performance gains offered by these technologies.
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

More importantly, while AMD came out of the gate swinging, they had me believing up until late 2022, I guess they blew their load early. As of last month, they still only listed 76 games with FSR 3+ support. That means they added a hefty amount in 2024. It went from 12 in Feburary to 76 by the time of that article's publication on December 15, 2024. That's more than 60 games added for the year. But as you can see from a post I made in January 2024, when I first noted how badly NVIDIA was separating itself on features, they were at 378 games with DLSS 2+ support at the time. That means they added ~176 games to the DLSS 2+ supported list for 2024. They're just running away.

And as I noted in Jan-2024, technologies like NVENC & RTX Voice for streaming or ULMB 2 for competitive gaming are effectively unanswered. I was on the train for a long time. It was the little engine that could. But...I have to be honest. It can't.
 
Madmick said:
That's all good in theory, but in reality, in games released, the difference in image quality between the two is gaping, now. It's night and day to the naked eye. Look at the comparison slide-screenshots from Techpowerup for Silent Hill 2. Years ago, DLSS had a lot of hype, but when I looked at comparisons, I felt there was a give and take. Not anymore. FSR is plainly inferior when you look at DLSS 2.2 and later:
www.techpowerup.com

Silent Hill 2 Remake: DLSS vs. FSR vs. XeSS Comparison Review

Silent Hill 2 Remake is out now on PC, with support for NVIDIA's DLSS Super Resolution, Intel's Xe Super Sampling, UE5's Temporal Super Resolution and AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution upscaling. In this review we compare the image quality and performance gains offered by these technologies.
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

More importantly, while AMD came out of the gate swinging, they had me believing up until late 2022, I guess they blew their load early. As of last month, they still only listed 76 games with FSR 3+ support. That means they added a hefty amount in 2024. It went from 12 in Feburary to 76 by the time of that article's publication on December 15, 2024. That's more than 60 games added for the year. But as you can see from a post I made in January 2024, when I first noted how badly NVIDIA was separating itself on features, they were at 378 games with DLSS 2+ support at the time. That means they added ~176 games to the DLSS 2+ supported list for 2024. They're just running away.

And as I noted in Jan-2024, technologies like NVENC & RTX Voice for streaming or ULMB 2 for competitive gaming are effectively unanswered. I was one the train for a long time. It was the little engine that could. But...I have to be honest. It can't.
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Yeah for a long time I was hoping AMD would provide something that would offer some sort of competitive edge that would force NVidia to drop its prices. I'm guessing it's a P&L thing. I can't imagine that AMD could NOT get similar tech and AI features but whoever their shareholders are they're probably content to settle into a "Hey we exist too" company so long as they can get their fucking dividends

NVivdia seems like they're trying to match scalper prices. I wonder if scalpers will charge even more. Cutting edge is fucking expensive, and every time I think maybe I understand something happens that throws a wrench in all my theories. Like right now the RTX 4090 is, on average, over $3,000.00. What the fuck
 
560ti said:
Raw performance wise I'd wager that a base line 6070 ends up slower than a 4090 let alone a 5090. The 4070 was like on par with a previous gen 3080 and the 5070-spec wise is rumored to be slower than a 4080.

4070 to 6070 is only technically going to be one die shrink (5000 series is the same node as 4000) so asking the xx70 series to at least double in performance in that span is extremely unlikely.
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Even if that is 100% true my point still stands. The 4080 is still more than enough for any game out there- it can still get great FPS with non RTX enabled games at 4K, add in RTX and that just sweetens the deal. I'm already regularly getting over 120 FPS on games while my display only goes to 120 so that extra power isn't useful. Add in the fact that games that actually take advantage of all this power are quite rare and I'm concluding that spending $1k or more for a GPU doesn't make sense anymore.
 
mixmastermo said:
Even if that is 100% true my point still stands. The 4080 is still more than enough for any game out there- it can still get great FPS with non RTX enabled games at 4K, add in RTX and that just sweetens the deal. I'm already regularly getting over 120 FPS on games while my display only goes to 120 so that extra power isn't useful. Add in the fact that games that actually take advantage of all this power are quite rare and I'm concluding that spending $1k or more for a GPU doesn't make sense anymore.
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Agreed. The 3080 is just strong enough to where you're probably not going to be able to get a reasonable performance increase without spending a lot, especially on the Nvidia side. Only reasonable stop gap would probably be AMD and even then they would have to be something like being able to sell your 3080 and getting a 9070XT for sub 200 out of pocket.
 
560ti said:
Agreed. The 3080 is just strong enough to where you're probably not going to be able to get a reasonable performance increase without spending a lot, especially on the Nvidia side. Only reasonable stop gap would probably be AMD and even then they would have to be something like being able to sell your 3080 and getting a 9070XT for sub 200 out of pocket.
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I've watched a few digital foundry videos over the past few days and.. these guys are reaching HARD to show the differences with DLSS 4..



The comparisons start around the 5 minute mark. They're running the videos at 50% and zooming in on things that are far away and/or out of focus to show how the 50 series cards with their new tech show SO MUCH MORE DETAIL. Yet in a real world setting when actually playing the game, 99% of gamers won't notice.
 
What's a decent motherboard to get for a 9800x3d that's ready to go out-of-the-box? I don't need anything that has all the extra shit. I won't be using WIFI on it, it's gonna be straight ethernet, wont be doing dual videocards.
 
mixmastermo said:
See my post above.. not Jen's fault there aren't many games that can keep up with him. Of course he's going to start looking at sexy robots.
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"A new patent filed by Microsoft purports to demonstrate how game designers and players alike can alter a narrative experience using generative AI."

Look above how Microsoft and other major players are going to use AI in games so there is that aspect but Jen wants to sell tons of hardware and services to robotics companies that don't have their own in house hardware design operation. Big companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google are developing on their own their own robotics and AI chips. Hardly a day goes by without hearing about some new development in robotics. Currently Nvidia has a huge lead on competitor but as Jen said the latest chip Blackwell costs them around 10 to 15 billion dollars. They have only recently scaled up production. It's the most complicated chips they ever designed on 4nm design. These will take over almost all the capacity at Arizona factory.
 
Bornstarch said:
What's a decent motherboard to get for a 9800x3d that's ready to go out-of-the-box? I don't need anything that has all the extra shit. I won't be using WIFI on it, it's gonna be straight ethernet, wont be doing dual videocards.
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B650 with bios flashback.
 
Apparently this custom CPU from Intel is what Nvidia used in their GeForce Now servers. Now they're being found on AliExpress for $50.
Coffee Lake 8/16 cores no turbo 3.5GHz supports ECC.

 
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