Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Madmick said:
And, because I'm irritated, I'll go an extra mile, here. These AIBs that are selling for their "MSRPs"...for the third time, produce them. Let's visit a few we discussed, then stroll down the PCPP.

That PNY just ninja edited last night as the only card anyone could find at MSRP via Wal-Mart? Sold out at that price. Up to $1409 from them. +$210.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/PNY-Nvid...Fan-Graphics-Card-GPU/1164737143?athbdg=L1100
Sure, if you're in the know, you can get it for $1229 from Antonline direct currently. Still +$30 above where Newegg and Wal-Mart priced matching the reference MSRP when they had it in stock. And the exact same card is $1299 from Antonline via eBay, +$100, so you better get it direct. Because, most importantly, as an indicator of general market activity, they don't demonstrate market behavior as meaningfully as PCPP. Antonline is a big outfit, but still small in comparison to the major retailers.

That Zotac Trinity OC I originally highlighted as the only card to be going for the $1199 MSRP a day and a half ago? Out of stock. Now $1339 from Amazon is the cheapest in stock price. +$140. You could go outside PCPP for antonline's eBay price, but that's still $1299. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vC...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810j-10p

Next cheapest available. Zotac Gaming Trinity. The lower version. Out-of-stock pricing shows it was originally $1199. Best in-stock? $1339 from Amazon. Also +$140.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J2...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810d-10p

Next cheapest available: MSI Gaming X Trio. Shown with a placeholder price at Wal-Mart of $1225 from its official link redirect at MSI, but not in stock. Cheapest in-stock? $1309 from B&H. Wait, no, PCPP lied. Out of stock there. Cheapest in-stock is $1499 from Amazon. +$275.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PL...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810b-10p

Next cheapest? Gigabyte Eagle OC. $1229 originally (as it is on Antonline). Cheapest in-stock $1329 from Amazon. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dz...x-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080eagle-oc-16gd

So it's not until you're up to the ASUS TUF Gaming OC that we see a card in-stock from major retailers for the same price from the manufacturer directly: $1399. We're already $200 above MSRP.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7F...4080-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080-o16g-gaming


That last card brings us to something else everyone should be aware of. It ties into what I said earlier about AIBs no longer declaring prices at launch for their boards with the last generation, and also how AIB variants fluctuate in price. Because while most carry a premium, this depends on the market and the card itself, even for the price the partner itself tries to set. You'll notice they price the same lines with a greater premium for the more expensive cards? Why? It's not about the cost of production. It's about what consumers are willing to pay. Look at this old Tom's Hardware review for the ASUS ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 2080 Super.
https://www.tomshardware.com/review...r-oc-review-premium-card-with-a-premium-price

The RTX 2080 Super's MSRP was $699. A +$90 premium.

Look at the ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 4080:
https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4080-o16g-gaming-model/
It's currently $1549 from them directly. That's a whopping +$350 premium.

The takeaway? We don't know the distribution price of AIBs. Clearly there is buffer room for profit. Expect their prices to change if required to adapt to the market. Also don't presume to know the profit of unofficial resellers on places like eBay who are selling them off. All you know is they are selling 4080 cards well, well above the 4080 MSRP. If the 4080 was selling so poorly, that wouldn't be the case. We know that because as soon as GPUs age, and fall out of demand, even the AIBs will fall below the reference MSRP.
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Blayt7hh said:
Wait are you copying me now?!
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I don't know why you maintain this attitude when you and you alone have made objectively inaccurate claims. There is no MSRP for AIBs. There are AIBs that match the reference pricing (but they're currently impossible to find on Amazon). The market is not in a place where scalpers are left holding the bag with unmovable inventory. It remains typical for AIB variants to be out of stock, and typically selling for above their intended launch price. From just yesterday:
Nvidia's RTX 4080 Tops Newegg's List of Best-Selling GPUs
Newegg is apparently selling a whole lot of RTX 4080s.
Tom's Hardware said:
The GeForce RTX 4080 doesn't currently occupy a spot on our best graphics cards page, largely due to its price. But it has apparently become the best-selling graphics card on Newegg(opens in new tab). Meanwhile, the flagship GeForce RTX 4090 currently sits in fourth place.
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Madmick said:
I don't know why you maintain this attitude when you and you alone have made objectively inaccurate claims. There is no MSRP for AIBs. There are AIBs that match the reference pricing (but they're currently impossible to find on Amazon). The market is not in a place where scalpers are left the bag with unmovable inventory, and it remains typical for AIB variants to be out of stock, and typically selling for above their intended launch price. From just yesterday:
Nvidia's RTX 4080 Tops Newegg's List of Best-Selling GPUs
Newegg is apparently selling a whole lot of RTX 4080s.
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Wait I thought this was all clickbait websites? Also you sure you want to link and article that mentions that AIB's can cost more than reference cards??
 
Blayt7hh said:
Also you sure you want to link and article that mentions that AIB's can cost more than reference cards??
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And yet it says nothing about AIB MSRPs. It also notes that the AIBs are selling above where they "usually" sell; their specific example was the Gigabyte Gaming OC which normally sells for $1269, but is currently in stock at a low price among major retailers via Amazon for $1400. This was precisely the point I established in abundance in post #5120 above.
Wait I thought this was all clickbait websites?
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Eureka! The light bulb comes on!
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What do you believe when clickbait is mutually exclusive? This is why one must be skeptical and apply critical reasoning when reading the news. Look at the evidence for yourself. That isn't just true for computer hardware, btw, my young Luke.
 
Madmick said:
And yet it says nothing about AIB MSRPs. It also notes that the AIBs are selling above where they "usually" sell; their specific example was the Gigabyte Gaming OC which normally sells for $1269, but is currently in stock at a low price among major retailers via Amazon for $1400. This was precisely the point I established in abundance in post #5120 above.

Eureka! The light bulb comes on!
hello-mcfly.gif

What do you believe when clickbait is mutually exclusive? This is why one must be skeptical and apply critical reasoning when reading the news. Look at the evidence for yourself. That isn't just true for computer hardware, btw, my young Luke.
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Yes I get it mic. "Clickbait" is acceptable when it supports your argument. I think everyone realizes that is how you operate at this point
 
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a bendable monitor. but why?

whats next? transparent oled monitors?
 
Madmick said:
And, because I'm irritated, I'll go an extra mile, here. These AIBs that are selling for their "MSRPs"...for the third time, produce them. Let's visit a few we discussed, then stroll down the PCPP.

That PNY just ninja edited last night as the only card anyone could find at MSRP via Wal-Mart? Sold out at that price. Up to $1409 from them. +$210.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/PNY-Nvid...Fan-Graphics-Card-GPU/1164737143?athbdg=L1100
Sure, if you're in the know, you can get it for $1229 from Antonline direct currently. Still +$30 above where Newegg and Wal-Mart priced matching the reference MSRP when they had it in stock. And the exact same card is $1299 from Antonline via eBay, +$100, so you better get it direct. Because, most importantly, as an indicator of general market activity, they don't demonstrate market behavior as meaningfully as PCPP. Antonline is a big outfit, but still small in comparison to the major retailers.

That Zotac Trinity OC I originally highlighted as the only card to be going for the $1199 MSRP a day and a half ago? Out of stock. Now $1339 from Amazon is the cheapest in stock price. +$140. You could go outside PCPP for antonline's eBay price, but that's still $1299. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vC...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810j-10p

Next cheapest available. Zotac Gaming Trinity. The lower version. Out-of-stock pricing shows it was originally $1199. Best in-stock? $1339 from Amazon. Also +$140.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J2...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810d-10p

Next cheapest available: MSI Gaming X Trio. Shown with a placeholder price at Wal-Mart of $1225 from its official link redirect at MSI, but not in stock. Cheapest in-stock? $1309 from B&H. Wait, no, PCPP lied. Out of stock there. Cheapest in-stock is $1499 from Amazon. +$275.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PL...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810b-10p

Next cheapest? Gigabyte Eagle OC. $1229 originally (as it is on Antonline). Cheapest in-stock $1329 from Amazon. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dz...x-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080eagle-oc-16gd

So it's not until you're up to the ASUS TUF Gaming OC that we see a card in-stock from major retailers for the same price from the manufacturer directly: $1399. We're already $200 above MSRP.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7F...4080-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080-o16g-gaming


That last card brings us to something else everyone should be aware of. It ties into what I said earlier about AIBs no longer declaring prices at launch for their boards with the last generation, and also how AIB variants fluctuate in price. Because while most carry a premium, this depends on the market and the card itself, even for the price the partner itself tries to set. You'll notice they price the same lines with a greater premium for the more expensive cards? Why? It's not about the cost of production. It's about what consumers are willing to pay. Look at this old Tom's Hardware review for the ASUS ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 2080 Super.
https://www.tomshardware.com/review...r-oc-review-premium-card-with-a-premium-price

The RTX 2080 Super's MSRP was $699. A +$90 premium.

Look at the ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 4080:
https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4080-o16g-gaming-model/
It's currently $1549 from them directly. That's a whopping +$350 premium.

The takeaway? We don't know the distribution price of AIBs. Clearly there is buffer room for profit. Expect their prices to change if required to adapt to the market. Also don't presume to know the profit of unofficial resellers on places like eBay who are selling them off. All you know is they are selling 4080 cards well, well above the 4080 MSRP. If the 4080 was selling so poorly, that wouldn't be the case. We know that because as soon as GPUs age, and fall out of demand, even the AIBs will fall below the reference MSRP.
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i have a strix 2080 that i didnt pay too much more for at launch then a founders edition, and ive always bought asus strix gpu's because they run cool and quiet, they arent too big, and they overclock decently, and i dont have issues with them, but there's no way i'd ever pay a $350+ premium for one. not a fucking chance.
 
This is a little bit of a side note but I do a lot of writing for my business and was initially hesitant on the hoopla on mechanical keyboards but am now totally sold. I would suggest anyone who types a lot on buying a new lower end when when they go on sale for like $25-30 just to give it a try.
 
Blayt7hh said:


<{hughesimpress}>
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The crux of the video is that sales are weak relative to past xx80 cards. Uh, duh. GPU sales are down across the board from past years, and the 4080 is priced $1200 compared to past x80 cards never being priced higher $799 (all but one priced $699 or lower). Even the best-sold $1K+ cards in history have been drastically outsold by $500-$800 cards.
Madmick said:
Why do you think the average pricing for the cards on the market is still above the MSRP for each, respectively, two months after they launched? Don't buy the clickbait crap that gets posted here about scalpers not being able move their inventories. If that was true, if supply exceeded demand, prices would have dropped below MSRP already. Instead, Amazon and B&H and Best Buy and the AIC manufacturers themselves (ex. ASUS) are selling them above the launch price.
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Madmick said:
I just looked, and I don't see any 4080's available from Amazon for $1199. I'll iterate that they sold out at launch, and again, if they were struggling to move inventory, there wouldn't be this market reality where things were "drying up".

Sales of consumer GPUs were already way down this year, but that's only compared to a historically starved market on an unprecedented level, and all the numbers we have were from before the launches of these most recent GPUs. NVIDIA might be assholes, but they are in a position of strength. Scalpers might be assholes, but at worst, they're selling to break even, there isn't this excrutiating inability to sell.
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Sold out at every major online retailer listed, and as he mentions, at an average price $120 north of MSRP.
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Also, this video was posted 6 hours ago. Go look at the listed Microcenters' in-store inventories.
  • Duluth = 100% sold out
  • Chicago = 12/14 SKUs sold out (17 cards left in stock, 16x of them a fresh shipment of ASUS TUF Gaming OC)
  • Rockville= 12/14 SKUs sold out (5 cards left in stock)
That's at least 158x 4080's sold at those three locations since the video was recorded.
 
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Madmick said:
The crux of the video is that sales are weak relative to past xx80 cards. Uh, duh. GPU sales are down across the board from past years,
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Common justification im seeing by gamers purchasing the new line of AMD/Nvidia GPU is that they see it as a long term investment. Which doesnt make much sense for theyre entry level cards designed for future standardization.
 
Madmick said:
The crux of the video is that sales are weak relative to past xx80 cards. Uh, duh. GPU sales are down across the board from past years, and the 4080 is priced $1200 compared to past x80 cards never being priced higher $799 (all but one priced $699 or lower). Even the best-sold $1K+ cards in history have been drastically outsold by $500-$800 cards.


Sold out at every major online retailer listed, and as he mentions, at an average price $120 north of MSRP.
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*Edit*
Also, this video was posted 6 hours ago. Go look at the listed Microcenters' in-store inventories.
  • Duluth = 100% sold out
  • Chicago = 12/14 SKUs sold out (17 cards left in stock, 16x of them a fresh shipment of ASUS TUF Gaming OC)
  • Rockville= 12/14 SKUs sold out (5 cards left in stock)
That's at least 158x 4080's sold at those three locations since the video was recorded.
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In Australia you can buy an RTX 4080 for AUD $2099, which is $1400 USD. That includes all taxes so I'm not sure if it's above or below MSRP
 
Neph said:
In Australia you can buy an RTX 4080 for AUD $2099, which is $1400 USD. That includes all taxes so I'm not sure if it's above or below MSRP
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Where are you seeing them for that price?
 
Blayt7hh said:
<Lmaoo>
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Next time watch the video before you post it because of the headline. This emoji is what I was doing. "The 4080 isn't selling well..." Rolls screenshot showing every online inventory sold out in the USA.
 
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