Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Neph]

There's shitloads of stock of 4080s and 4090s here in Australia (or at least, in my corner) and they've been in stock since launch. The price is still eyewateringly expensive.

 

[Madmick]

I haven’t seen many 4080 founders additions, but I e seen plenty of the partner cards going for their msrps. They’re just now drying up, but a quick look at Amazon and two of the partner cards are up for their normal prices. I believe it that they e had more trouble moving those due to the relatively bad value

I just looked, and I don't see any 4080's available from Amazon for $1199. I'll iterate that they sold out at launch, and again, if they were struggling to move inventory, there wouldn't be this market reality where things were "drying up".

Sales of consumer GPUs were already way down this year, but that's only compared to a historically starved market on an unprecedented level, and all the numbers we have were from before the launches of these most recent GPUs. NVIDIA might be assholes, but they are in a position of strength. Scalpers might be assholes, but at worst, they're selling to break even, there isn't this excrutiating inability to sell.

There's shitloads of stock of 4080s and 4090s here in Australia (or at least, in my corner) and they've been in stock since launch. The price is still eyewateringly expensive.

There were shitloads of the RX 6000 series cards in Australia when you couldn't kill someone to get one here in the States.

 

[Blayt7hh]

4080's available from Amazon for $1199.

Only the founders cards are 1200. That's why i said partner cards. I was watching at launch and there was a bunch of partner cards on sale at their msrp up until this week-ish.

When i posted earlier there was one for 1300 which is probably the msrp for that card, and one for 1400 which is probably slightly inflated. So they are out there.

Edit: in fact I just looked again and there was like 3 different cards at ~1300

 

[Madmick]

Only the founders cards are 1200. That's why i said partner cards. I was watching at launch and there was a bunch of partner cards on sale at their msrp up until this week-ish.

When i posted earlier there was one for 1300 which is probably the msrp for that card, and one for 1400 which is probably slightly inflated. So they are out there.

You said you had seen plenty of the partner cards going for MSRP. There is none. There is no officially disclosed MSRP for AIB cards that sell above the reference MSRP. You can refer to the manufacturer website for a de facto official pricing of their various variants, as a baseline, when they sell them directly themselves, but those prices aren't set, and may change depending on the market. For example, in fact, the best-priced Zotac Trinity on Amazon does quote for a matching $1199 to the reference, from Zotac themselves, but they're out of stock, and obviously Amazon's best current price from any vendor doesn't match it.
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-trinity

 

[Blayt7hh]

You said you had seen plenty of the partner cards going for MSRP. There is none. There is no officially disclosed MSRP for AIB cards that sell above the reference MSRP. You can refer to the manufacturer website for a de facto official pricing of their various variants, as a baseline, when they sell them directly themselves, but those prices aren't set, and may change depending on the market. For example, in fact, the best-priced Zotac Trinity on Amazon does quote for a matching $1199 to the reference, from Zotac themselves, but they're out of stock, and obviously Amazon's best current price from any vendor doesn't match it.
https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-trinity

I literally just watched the 7900 xt to review from Gamer's Nexus where he went into a store and showed a bunch of 4080s on the shelves for sale. i guess that was staged for clicks

 

[jefferz]

Antonline has the Gigabyte Eagle OC 4080 for $1240.

@Madmick
PNY Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 16GB XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB Triple Fan Graphics Card - GPU
Sold and shipped by Walmart.com
$1,199.88

 

[Madmick]

Which is above MSRP. I rest my case.

I literally just watched the 7900 xt to review from Gamer's Nexus where he went into a store and showed a bunch of 4080s on the shelves for sale. i guess that was staged for clicks

I don't understand what this has to do with the nonexistence of MSRP for AIBs, or the readily accessible pricing of the 4080 as it exists presently (or immediately after launch) online at major retailers, the two topics were just discussing. I suspect one could find 4080's at MSRP on the shelf of a Microcenter somewhere. The 4000 series cards are currently among the bestsellers on Amazon. If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be up there.

You gotta find something more concrete to compare to past generations if you want to convince me NVIDIA has inventory problems.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Which is above MSRP. I rest my case.

I don't understand what this has to do with the nonexistence of MSRP for AIBs, or the readily accessible pricing of the 4080 as it exists presently (or immediately after launch) online at major retailers, the two topics were just discussing. I suspect one could find 4080's at MSRP on the shelf of a Microcenter somewhere. The 4000 series cards are currently among the bestsellers on Amazon. If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be up there.

You gotta find something more concrete to compare to past generations if you want to convince me NVIDIA has inventory problems.

You do understand. It all adds up to you being wrong. You do know that you can find the retail prices for a lot of those cards by looking up the press releases. You do know from the EVGA story that board partners were going to have to be selling over the founders card prices. The real question is why I are you persisting after you’ve realized you were wrong?

I’m not going to go hunting for prices of each of the many 1300 boards. I know that they are close enough that they are very likely not being scalped. You can claim victory all you want but it’s blatantly obvious you were wrong and these were made up click bait stories that showed up on like every venerated pc hardware site.

 

[Madmick]

You do understand. It all adds up to you being wrong. You do know that you can find the retail prices for a lot of those cards by looking up the press releases. You do know from the EVGA story that board partners were going to have to be selling over the founders card prices. The real question is why I are you persisting after you’ve realized you were wrong?

It was just demonstrated that you were wrong about AIB variants also retailing for $1199, not just the reference design (a Zotac variant was provided as an example)-- after you made this claim. It was established that none of the AIBs (or reference) are selling for the MSRP on Amazon, currently. Price trackers show that the 4080 reference was never sold for $1199 on Amazon (it's been above $1500 since launch).

I never claimed there isn't a single AIB card matching its manufacturer quoted price above MSRP, but you didn't share with me an AIB matching its press release quote (or manufacturer website price).

I’m not going to go hunting for prices of each of the many 1300 boards. I know that they are close enough that they are very likely not being scalped. You can claim victory all you want but it’s blatantly obvious you were wrong and these were made up click bait stories that showed up on like every venerated pc hardware site.

Yes, that's the nature of the clickbait industry. It's widely distributed, regurgitated spam for profit. It is up to the reader to critically assess what is true, and what isn't.

 

[Madmick]

Also, multiple 7900 XT cards are already available at their $899 price point.
https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5716415800/us
https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xt-21323-01-20g/p/N82E16814202427
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx-79tmercb9/p/N82E16814150876
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx-79tmercb9/p/N82E16814150877

The XTX is going to take longer to score because it is the best purchase among all the newest cards, and will be the most in demand.

 

[Blayt7hh]

It was just demonstrated that you were wrong about AIB variants also retailing for $1199, not just the reference design (a Zotac variant was provided as an example)-- after you made this claim. It was established that none of the AIBs (or reference) are selling for the MSRP on Amazon, currently. Price trackers show that the 4080 reference was never sold for $1199 on Amazon (it's been above $1500 since launch).

I never claimed there isn't a single AIB card matching its manufacturer quoted price above MSRP, but you didn't share with me an AIB matching its press release quote (or manufacturer website price).

Yes, that's the nature of the clickbait industry. It's widely distributed, regurgitated spam for profit. It is up to the reader to critically assess what is true, and what isn't.

I actually kind of stopped reading midway down. I get the tactic. Keep writing a ton and see if you can’t pull the wool over our eyes. I can’t believe you’re actually going to sit here and pretend that partner cards at $100 premium is a scalper flip.. like that’s an unusual premium on those cards.

I also did miss that sly little goal post shift where you asked us to prove Nvidia was having inventory problems. That was never said. Your original claim I was responding to was about scalpers. Stop with the weak moves to try and “win” and just be honest instead.

So let’s take a look, which is more likely? That it’s true what all the trusted sites were saying and the various examples in here help prove that, or everyone but Madmick is just crazy?

 

[Madmick]

I actually kind of stopped reading midway down. I get the tactic. Keep writing a ton and see if you can’t pull the wool over our eyes. I can’t believe you’re actually going to sit here and pretend that partner cards at $100 premium is a scalper flip.. like that’s an unusual premium on those cards.

You don't seem to be reading, at all.

Scalpers might be assholes, but at worst, they're selling to break even, there isn't this excrutiating inability to sell.

 

[Blayt7hh]

You don't seem to be reading, at all.

Concession accepted

Let’s also ignore that story about Newegg changing its return policy because of scalpers trying to get their money back on inventory they can’t get rid of. Click bait!

 

[Bornstarch]

You guys should wait a bit to buy a 4080. I think Nvidia is going to drop the price in the near future

 

[Blayt7hh]

You guys should wait a bit to buy a 4080. I think Nvidia is going to drop the price in the near future

I’m not even sure what I would buy today. I guess the xtx if I decided to forgo DLSS and raytracing, which is probably the best move given the insane prices. The other option really is to wait on the 4090 to drop down to msrp. It’s so much better than the 4080 and the 4080s price is so damn high you might as well go all out.

I have been saying I was looking forward to this generation because it would make graphics cards purchases more interesting to decide. I was right about that but what I didn’t realize is that it was going to be a debate over which has the least drawbacks.

 

[KaNesDeath]

I’m not even sure what I would buy today.

A 3070 thats on sale at around the $500 mark. Ti version even when on sale isnt worth the extra $100.

Current releases with their tech specs and price structure are designed to upsale you to the next product. Someone playing at the resolution these cards are designed for have no justification to not go 4090. Since theyre gaming on a monitor that alone costs over two grand.

 

[Madmick]

Let’s also ignore that story about Newegg changing its return policy because of scalpers trying to get their money back on inventory they can’t get rid of. Click bait!

Newegg didn't change its return policy. You're confusing their store-wide return policy with the refund policy specifically on the 4080. They never declared it was because of scalpers attempting to return cards, but most would accept they weren't interested in enabling scalpers to so easily recoup their cost, and were forcing the burden on them to move the card again on the open market even if for no profit at all. What I've said is that 4080's are selling well, so scalpers won't have issues selling them even if they cannot scalp them for a windfall profit. The 4080 is selling well. That's why it's on bestseller charts, and they are selling above the MSRP for the 4080 still two months after launch.

Just look at the 4080 I first highlighted in post #5097, the only one on PCPP's list that was selling for the $1199 MSRP at the time I composed that post, via Newegg. Now it's sold out. Look at almost every card listed on PCPP. Most resellers are sold out of nearly every 4080 variant out there.

Concession accepted

Concession for what? An assertion you invented because you were too agitated to read what I wrote in a prior post?

Look over the things I've pointed out. @Unknown Pleasures expressed frustration that he couldn't find the 7900 XTX right away. I pointed out that it's normal for GPUs to be difficult to find immediately after launch. This was true even before the cryptobubble with unrestrained scalping, and before the pandemic's supply constraints. I then pointed out that the 4080 is selling just finely, and almost every version of it available is selling above MSRP. Remember I'm the guy who has been slamming NVIDIA. It's not like I want things to be rosy for them.

You conflated this with AIB premiums. So I pointed out that AIBs don't have an MSRP. Partners also stopped issuing "official" prices for these cards in press releases with the previous generation. The closest thing to an official price for any of them is when the partner themselves sells the variant on their own store (ex. EVGA, ASUS), but these prices were always subject to fluctuation. If you want to demonstrate a rapid decline for the pricing of a particular AIB since launch, document this for us. There are price trackers that could show this.

At this point, I'm unclear what is being contended. If it is that there is zero demand for the 4080, that is wrong. This is apparent for all the reasons I've cited. If it is that only NVIDIA is adequately manufacturing cards to meet demand, that is also wrong. I just listed four different 7900 XT's at the reference MSRP available from AMD directly and from Newegg at the time of my posting it. This is their less popular card just like the 4080 is NVIDIA's less popular card. AMD is also not 2 months out from launch where they've already met the initial demand wave of the niche market of buyers who are interested in such expensive cards.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Newegg didn't change its return policy. You're confusing their store-wide return policy with the refund policy specifically on the 4080. They never declared it was because of scalpers attempting to return cards, but most would accept they weren't interested in enabling scalpers to so easily recoup their cost, and were forcing the burden on them to move the card again on the open market even if for no profit at all. What I've said is that 4080's are selling well, so scalpers won't have issues selling them even if they cannot scalp them for a windfall profit. The 4080 is selling well. That's why it's on bestseller charts, and they are selling above the MSRP for the 4080 still two months after launch.

Just look at the 4080 I first highlighted in post #5097, the only one on PCPP's list that was selling for the $1199 MSRP at the time I composed that post, via Newegg. Now it's sold out. Look at almost every card listed on PCPP. Most resellers are sold out of nearly every 4080 variant out there.

Concession for what? An assertion you invented because you were too agitated to read what I wrote in a prior post?

Look over the things I've pointed out. @Unknown Pleasures expressed frustration that he couldn't find the 7900 XTX right away. I pointed out that it's normal for GPUs to be difficult to find immediately after launch. This was true even before the cryptobubble with unrestrained scalping, and before the pandemic's supply constraints. I then pointed out that the 4080 is selling just finely, and almost every version of it available is selling above MSRP. Remember I'm the guy who has been slamming NVIDIA. It's not like I want things to be rosy for them.

You conflated this with AIB premiums. So I pointed out that AIBs don't have an MSRP. Partners also stopped issuing "official" prices for these cards in press releases with the previous generation. The closest thing to an official price for any of them is when the partner themselves sells the variant on their own store (ex. EVGA, ASUS), but these prices were always subject to fluctuation. If you want to demonstrate a rapid decline for the pricing of a particular AIB since launch, document this for us. There are price trackers that could show this.

At this point, I'm unclear what is being contended. If it is that there is zero demand for the 4080, that is wrong. This is apparent for all the reasons I've cited. If it is that only NVIDIA is adequately manufacturing cards to meet demand, that is also wrong. I just listed four different 7900 XT's at the reference MSRP available from AMD directly and from Newegg at the time of my posting it. This is their less popular card just like the 4080 is NVIDIA's less popular card. AMD is also not 2 months out from launch where they've already met the initial demand wave of the niche market of buyers who are interested in such expensive cards.

If you’re confused about what’s being contended, it’s because you wrote a bunch of shit to not sound wrong

 

[Madmick]

If you’re confused about what’s being contended, it’s because you wrote a bunch of shit to not sound wrong

Like claiming AIBs i.e. "partner cards" have MSRPs? Like claiming "only the founder's cards" are $1199?

 

[Madmick]

And, because I'm irritated, I'll go an extra mile, here. These AIBs that are selling for their "MSRPs"...for the third time, produce them. Let's visit a few we discussed, then stroll down the PCPP.

That PNY just ninja edited last night as the only card anyone could find at MSRP via Wal-Mart? Sold out at that price. Up to $1409 from them. +$210.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/PNY-Nvid...Fan-Graphics-Card-GPU/1164737143?athbdg=L1100
Sure, if you're in the know, you can get it for $1229 from Antonline direct currently. Still +$30 above where Newegg and Wal-Mart priced matching the reference MSRP when they had it in stock. And the exact same card is $1299 from Antonline via eBay, +$100, so you better get it direct. Because, most importantly, as an indicator of general market activity, they don't demonstrate market behavior as meaningfully as PCPP. Antonline is a big outfit, but still small in comparison to the major retailers.

That Zotac Trinity OC I originally highlighted as the only card to be going for the $1199 MSRP a day and a half ago? Out of stock. Now $1339 from Amazon is the cheapest in stock price. +$140. You could go outside PCPP for antonline's eBay price, but that's still $1299. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vC...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810j-10p

Next cheapest available. Zotac Gaming Trinity. The lower version. Out-of-stock pricing shows it was originally $1199. Best in-stock? $1339 from Amazon. Also +$140.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J2...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810d-10p

Next cheapest available: MSI Gaming X Trio. Shown with a placeholder price at Wal-Mart of $1225 from its official link redirect at MSI, but not in stock. Cheapest in-stock? $1309 from B&H. Wait, no, PCPP lied. Out of stock there. Cheapest in-stock is $1499 from Amazon. +$275.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PL...orce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810b-10p

Next cheapest? Gigabyte Eagle OC. $1229 originally (as it is on Antonline). Cheapest in-stock $1329 from Amazon. +$100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dz...x-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080eagle-oc-16gd

So it's not until you're up to the ASUS TUF Gaming OC that we see a card in-stock from major retailers for the same price from the manufacturer directly: $1399. We're already $200 above MSRP.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7F...4080-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080-o16g-gaming


That last card brings us to something else everyone should be aware of. It ties into what I said earlier about AIBs no longer declaring prices at launch for their boards with the last generation, and also how AIB variants fluctuate in price. Because while most carry a premium, this depends on the market and the card itself, even for the price the partner itself tries to set. You'll notice they price the same lines with a greater premium for the more expensive cards? Why? It's not about the cost of production. It's about what consumers are willing to pay. Look at this old Tom's Hardware review for the ASUS ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 2080 Super.
https://www.tomshardware.com/review...r-oc-review-premium-card-with-a-premium-price

Priced at $790, it is one of the more expensive 2080 Super cards and isn't substantially faster than other models, but it packs in a lot of extras.

The RTX 2080 Super's MSRP was $699. A +$90 premium.

Look at the ROG Strix OC variant of the RTX 4080:
https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4080-o16g-gaming-model/
It's currently $1549 from them directly. That's a whopping +$350 premium.

The takeaway? We don't know the distribution price of AIBs. Clearly there is buffer room for profit. Expect their prices to change if required to adapt to the market. Also don't presume to know the profit of unofficial resellers on places like eBay who are selling them off. All you know is they are selling 4080 cards well, well above the 4080 MSRP. If the 4080 was selling so poorly, that wouldn't be the case. We know that because as soon as GPUs age, and fall out of demand, even the AIBs will fall below the reference MSRP.