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I hear early Benchmarks on the XTX are really disappointing.
Meh I don’t put any stock in pre release rumors. They’re almost always off. We will find out in a week.

I did see some rumors that Nvidia may be slashing prices on the 4080 next week when the amd cards launch.
 
Meh I don’t put any stock in pre release rumors. They’re almost always off. We will find out in a week.

I did see some rumors that Nvidia may be slashing prices on the 4080 next week when the amd cards launch.


They mos def should. They used scalper pricing and can't clear inventory despite small supply so...
 
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Packing a 35W CPU onto a board barely larger than a Raspberry Pi might sound like a bad idea, but that's not stopping Asus' Aaeon product division.

The company Wednesday unveiled a 4.7x4.8-inch single-board computer (SBC), called the UP Xtreme i12, that can be spec'd up to a 12-core/16-thread 12th-Gen Intel Core i7 1280PE. For reference, that's a notebook-class chip capable of consuming a sustained 35W of power and boosting to 4.5GHz.

For those who don't need something quite as powerful or as hot as the i7, the board is also available with a five-core Celeron, an octa-core i3, or a 12-core i5. However, as was the case with Aaeon's GENE-ADP6 announced earlier this year, only the i5 and i7 SKUs benefit from Intel's Iris Xe integrated graphics.

"
  • 12th generation Intel® Core™ i7/i5/i3/Celeron® Processor SoC
  • On board Dual Channel LPDDR5 up to 32GB
  • Support 4 independent Displays up to 4K at 60Ghz
  • Support 2 x M.2 2280 KEY M (PCIE Gen4)
  • Support 5G via M.2 3052
  • Support Intel AX210 WiFi 6
  • TPM2.0
  • 40pin HAT connector
  • USB4.0 type C
  • Up to 2.5Gbps LAN speed"
"
Overview


Stronger – Power-Efficient Multicore Architecture

An innovative next generation board, the UP Xtreme i12 hosts the 12 core, 16 thread hybrid architecture of 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors (formerly Alder Lake-P). This configuration increases energy-efficiency while doubling its predecessor’s thread count. Further, the UP Xtreme i12’s wide 12~36V power input range facilitates extended use for industrial applications, such as smart manufacturing. Customers can therefore harness CPU performance up to 20% greater than Tiger Lake while retaining continuous, efficient operation in more challenging environments.

Faster - Onboard LPDDR5, 2.5GbE, and a 2.47 x Increase in Graphics Speed

Greater processing is enhanced by up to 32GB of onboard LPDDR5 system memory, doubling bandwidth and memory capacity without the need for SODIMM module installation. Combining this accelerated data processing with USB 4.0 and 2.5GbE ports ensures high-speed connectivity to peripheral cameras and sensors, making the UP Xtreme i12 the perfect board for smart retail. Additionally, the 2.47 x increase in graphics speed provided by Intel® Iris® Xe graphics, with four simultaneous 4K displays.

Smarter – AI, 5G, Wi-Fi 6, and PCIe 4.0

The UP Xtreme i12 offers unprecedented expandability. Supporting Wi-Fi 6 and 5G via M.2 2230 E and 3052 B-Keys, the UP Xtreme i12 also contains two M.2 2280 M-Keys for PCIe 4.0 storage and AI module support. Its AI performance is augmented by Intel® DL Boost and the Intel® distribution of OpenVINO™ toolkit, which yields up to 2.81 x the GPU image classification inferencing performance of the previous generation. Further, its Intel® i226IT ethernet package supports Time Sensitive Networking (TSN) to prioritize real-time workloads and execute tasks within precise time cycles. With such high-level performance, the UP Xtreme i12 presents an elite solution for IoT and robotics projects. (Learn More)

gal_221207_yudx6s.jpg


"
SYSTEM
PROCESSOR 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor SoC
Core i7-1270PE
Core i5-1250PE
Core i3-1220PE
Celeron® 7305E
GRAPHICS Intel® Iris® Xe graphics
MEMORY Up to 32GB on board LPDDR5 4800MHz (Dual Channel)
STORAGE M.2 2280 (PCIe Gen4.0 x 4) M-key x 2
SATA3 x 1
I/O 10-pin USB 2.0 x 2 / HSUART x 1
4pin Fan Connector x1
6pin Front Panel Header x 1
10-pin RS232/422/485 Pin Header x 2
DC Connector x 1
Power Button/LED x 1
Audio Jack x 1 ( Mic-in, Line out)
RJ45 x 2
CAMERA —
USB USB 2.0 x 2 ( from wafer x 1), USB2.0 Type A x 1
USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type A x 3
USB4.0 Type C x 1
EXPANSION 40 pin GPIO x 1
M.2 2230 E-key x 1
M.2 2280 (PCIe Gen4.0 x 4) M-key x 2
SATA3 x 1
M.2 3052 B-key x 1
Nano SIM slot x 1
DISPLAY INTERFACE HDMI 2.0b x 1
DP 1.4a x 1
DP 1.4b via USB type C x 1
eDP1.4b x 1
ETHERNET Intel® i226IT (TSN) x 1, Intel® i219 (vPRO) x 1
SECURITY TPM 2.0
RTC Yes
OS SUPPORT Windows* 10 Enterprise 2021 LTSC
Ubuntu 22.04
Yocto (TBD)"

https://www.theregister.com/2022/12...utm_medium=newsletter&utm_content=top-article
 
Its hilarious when new CSGO gamers complain about Valves MM not being 128tick. They dont understand the overwhelming majority of Pc gamers in 2012 had bad Pc's and dialup internet connections.

Amazing how the 2010's revitalized Pc gaming.

In which part of the world in 2012 did the majority of PC gamers have dial up internet connections?
 
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Packing a 35W CPU onto a board barely larger than a Raspberry Pi might sound like a bad idea, but that's not stopping Asus' Aaeon product division.

The company Wednesday unveiled a 4.7x4.8-inch single-board computer (SBC), called the UP Xtreme i12, that can be spec'd up to a 12-core/16-thread 12th-Gen Intel Core i7 1280PE. For reference, that's a notebook-class chip capable of consuming a sustained 35W of power and boosting to 4.5GHz.

For those who don't need something quite as powerful or as hot as the i7, the board is also available with a five-core Celeron, an octa-core i3, or a 12-core i5. However, as was the case with Aaeon's GENE-ADP6 announced earlier this year, only the i5 and i7 SKUs benefit from Intel's Iris Xe integrated graphics.

"
  • 12th generation Intel® Core™ i7/i5/i3/Celeron® Processor SoC
  • On board Dual Channel LPDDR5 up to 32GB
  • Support 4 independent Displays up to 4K at 60Ghz
  • Support 2 x M.2 2280 KEY M (PCIE Gen4)
  • Support 5G via M.2 3052
  • Support Intel AX210 WiFi 6
  • TPM2.0
  • 40pin HAT connector
  • USB4.0 type C
  • Up to 2.5Gbps LAN speed"
"
Overview


Stronger – Power-Efficient Multicore Architecture

An innovative next generation board, the UP Xtreme i12 hosts the 12 core, 16 thread hybrid architecture of 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors (formerly Alder Lake-P). This configuration increases energy-efficiency while doubling its predecessor’s thread count. Further, the UP Xtreme i12’s wide 12~36V power input range facilitates extended use for industrial applications, such as smart manufacturing. Customers can therefore harness CPU performance up to 20% greater than Tiger Lake while retaining continuous, efficient operation in more challenging environments.

Faster - Onboard LPDDR5, 2.5GbE, and a 2.47 x Increase in Graphics Speed

Greater processing is enhanced by up to 32GB of onboard LPDDR5 system memory, doubling bandwidth and memory capacity without the need for SODIMM module installation. Combining this accelerated data processing with USB 4.0 and 2.5GbE ports ensures high-speed connectivity to peripheral cameras and sensors, making the UP Xtreme i12 the perfect board for smart retail. Additionally, the 2.47 x increase in graphics speed provided by Intel® Iris® Xe graphics, with four simultaneous 4K displays.

Smarter – AI, 5G, Wi-Fi 6, and PCIe 4.0

The UP Xtreme i12 offers unprecedented expandability. Supporting Wi-Fi 6 and 5G via M.2 2230 E and 3052 B-Keys, the UP Xtreme i12 also contains two M.2 2280 M-Keys for PCIe 4.0 storage and AI module support. Its AI performance is augmented by Intel® DL Boost and the Intel® distribution of OpenVINO™ toolkit, which yields up to 2.81 x the GPU image classification inferencing performance of the previous generation. Further, its Intel® i226IT ethernet package supports Time Sensitive Networking (TSN) to prioritize real-time workloads and execute tasks within precise time cycles. With such high-level performance, the UP Xtreme i12 presents an elite solution for IoT and robotics projects. (Learn More)

gal_221207_yudx6s.jpg


"
SYSTEM
PROCESSOR 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor SoC
Core i7-1270PE
Core i5-1250PE
Core i3-1220PE
Celeron® 7305E
GRAPHICS Intel® Iris® Xe graphics
MEMORY Up to 32GB on board LPDDR5 4800MHz (Dual Channel)
STORAGE M.2 2280 (PCIe Gen4.0 x 4) M-key x 2
SATA3 x 1
I/O 10-pin USB 2.0 x 2 / HSUART x 1
4pin Fan Connector x1
6pin Front Panel Header x 1
10-pin RS232/422/485 Pin Header x 2
DC Connector x 1
Power Button/LED x 1
Audio Jack x 1 ( Mic-in, Line out)
RJ45 x 2
CAMERA —
USB USB 2.0 x 2 ( from wafer x 1), USB2.0 Type A x 1
USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type A x 3
USB4.0 Type C x 1
EXPANSION 40 pin GPIO x 1
M.2 2230 E-key x 1
M.2 2280 (PCIe Gen4.0 x 4) M-key x 2
SATA3 x 1
M.2 3052 B-key x 1
Nano SIM slot x 1
DISPLAY INTERFACE HDMI 2.0b x 1
DP 1.4a x 1
DP 1.4b via USB type C x 1
eDP1.4b x 1
ETHERNET Intel® i226IT (TSN) x 1, Intel® i219 (vPRO) x 1
SECURITY TPM 2.0
RTC Yes
OS SUPPORT Windows* 10 Enterprise 2021 LTSC
Ubuntu 22.04
Yocto (TBD)"

https://www.theregister.com/2022/12...utm_medium=newsletter&utm_content=top-article
Whats the case use for this?
 
AMD GPU benchmarks are out. Price is a reflection to Nvidias performance.



In which part of the world in 2012 did the majority of PC gamers have dial up internet connections?

Hardware survey is anonymous pertaining to country/region.
 
Looks like I'll be holding on to my good old 980Ti for the foreseeable future.

AMD's advances have been too timid for me to make the jump to Team Red *and* buy a FreeSync monitor (my current one is G-Sync only).
 
AMD GPU benchmarks are out. Price is a reflection to Nvidias performance.
You keep saying that, and it keeps being wrong.

24% superior as an a la carte assessment of value. Not a "reflection". It isn't mirroring NVIDIA. There is no equality.
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Some hands on with the new Radeon cards






Can you or @Madmick or both :) kind of synthesize all this for a fool like me?

When it comes to XTX vs. 4080, is the only advantage of the 4080 being in Ray Tracing?

And is ray tracing just "reflections" or is there more to it. Sorry for being so ignorant, but I wonder if Ray Tracing is just an over-rated marketing gimmick, kind of like when Sega use to talk about "Blast Processing" as making it superior to SNES.

Personally, when I see side-by-side comparison videos on youtube of things that show FPS differences between systems, and some times resolution differences, I can't even seem to tell a difference or know what I"m supposed to be seeing lol.

I guess at the end of the day I defer to your expert opinions, if you want a graphics Card for 3440 x 1440 individual gaming that is pretty future proof for the next 5 or so years, what's the recommendation? 4080 or XTX or wait for 4070? Budget wise I'm willing to spend, but I don't like throwing money away, so value matters to an extent (hence, I think a 4090 is excessive to my needs and just seems absurdly priced to me).

Also, does having a G-synch monitor alter the equation at all?
 
You keep saying that, and it keeps being wrong.

5.2% of Pc users game at 4K and 4K+. 12.7% of Pc users game at 1440p. Those graphs are pointless for the majority of Pc gamers.

XTX operates on average 8% slower than the 4080. Its MSRP is exactly where it should be.
 
Can you or @Madmick or both :) kind of synthesize all this for a fool like me?

When it comes to XTX vs. 4080, is the only advantage of the 4080 being in Ray Tracing?

And is ray tracing just "reflections" or is there more to it. Sorry for being so ignorant, but I wonder if Ray Tracing is just an over-rated marketing gimmick, kind of like when Sega use to talk about "Blast Processing" as making it superior to SNES.

Personally, when I see side-by-side comparison videos on youtube of things that show FPS differences between systems, and some times resolution differences, I can't even seem to tell a difference or know what I"m supposed to be seeing lol.

I guess at the end of the day I defer to your expert opinions, if you want a graphics Card for 3440 x 1440 individual gaming that is pretty future proof for the next 5 or so years, what's the recommendation? 4080 or XTX or wait for 4070? Budget wise I'm willing to spend, but I don't like throwing money away, so value matters to an extent (hence, I think a 4090 is excessive to my needs and just seems absurdly priced to me).

Also, does having a G-synch monitor alter the equation at all?
@Madmick knows way more than me but I appreciate the mention.

I know at least for G-sync monitors, it used to be that you had to have a Nvidia card to use the feature but a lot of the newer G-sync monitors are also able to be used by AMD cards for Freesync (and vice-versa).

Ray-tracing looks nice, but you still get a performance hit. Nvidia cards are definitely better there. I imagine it will be a lot easier to run in the future and it would probably be rare for a game not to have it.
 
5.2% of Pc users game at 4K and 4K+. 12.7% of Pc users game at 1440p. Those graphs are pointless for the majority of Pc gamers.
5.2% game at 4K, and 12.7% at 1440p, you say? That's 17.9% of gamers in total.

Guess how many gamers on Steam are on a $1K+ GPU like the XTX?
  • 0.79% = RTX 3080 Ti
  • 0.53% = RTX 3090
That's it. That's 1.32% gamers. Hell, you could add the RTX 3090 Ti, RTX 3080, RTX 2080 Super, RTX 2080, RX 6950 XT, RX 6900 XT, and every past Titan card ever released, and the total would still be under 5%.

So, in fact, the gamers purchasing an 7900 XTX or 4080 will absolutely find the 1440p and 4K numbers more relevant. That's the majority of gamers who are considering these cards.
XTX operates on average 8% slower than the 4080. Its MSRP is exactly where it should be.
Where in the blue fuck are you pulling these numbers, fanboy? From NVIDIA's marketing slides?

Most have it beating it the 4080 @1080p by several percent, with only a few matching it, and even the benchmarkers where they match show the 7900 XTX thumping it when paired with an AMD CPU thanks to SAM.
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You're so full of shit, and I'm calling your bullshit. Produce one benchmarker who shows the 4080 beating the 7900 XTX by an 8% average across their suite of tested games at 1080p.

So tired of your disingenuous insistence that you're not an NVIDIA fanboy. You're a poster boy example.
 
@Madmick I might have the opportunity to get a brand new Founder's 4090 at less than retail. If I go for it, do you foresee any bottlenecks given my specs?
 
Where in the blue fuck are you pulling these numbers, fanboy? From NVIDIA's marketing slides?

Gamers Nexus.

Again just to be clear. I want to see the GPU department of AMD and Nvidia burn to the ground with their current prices.
 
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