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Their price has really plummeted. 1TB Intel Nvme is $94 on Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462
For gamers and normal everyday uses, it's a hell of a deal. I use them in 3 different systems and have zero complaints.
The 660p is NVME, but it has it's limitations on some edge cases. And even in those edge use cases, it drops down to sata based SSD speeds. Normally that would be a big deal, but at this price point they're the same price as a good enough sata based SSD.
 
For gamers and normal everyday uses, it's a hell of a deal. I use them in 3 different systems and have zero complaints.
The 660p is NVME, but it has it's limitations on some edge cases. And even in those edge use cases, it drops down to sata based SSD speeds. Normally that would be a big deal, but at this price point they're the same price as a good enough sata based SSD.
How does it compare to Samsung's 860 Evo or 970 Evo?
 
Do I make the switch to the new SSD's?
 
Well, just grabbed a RX 5700 XT (nothing fancy, if I want extra cooling I can add it myself later) and a Corsair AX1500i titanium certified power supply about $600 for both combined (since my state has tax on online sales now :cool:). Next up an nvme ssd, but that's something I can wait for around this time next month.
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Well goddamn, you weren't playing around with the PSU.
Do I make the switch to the new SSD's?
Very little benefit to gaming, but considering how cheap they are now, any new builders shouldn't be buying older drives for their OS.

The Intel 660p has been the budget king for a long time, now, but there are some superior TLC drives that have been near the same floor, or below it, that are preferable while they're there. Look for these when checking PCPP, and keep your eyes peeled for sales:
There are also these less established brands in the SSD game; all of the below operate on the Phison E12 controller. This is the same controller as in the Seagate Barracuda 510 and Firecuda 510 that are nearly twice as expensive. Sabrent actually has brought to market the first PCIe 4.0 SSD drive. Here's how the Phison E12 controller stacks up against the SM2262EN controller (that's in the above HP EX920):
https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/...-showdown-phison-e12-smi-sm2262en/index3.html
 
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Asus’ ROG Phone II features a 120Hz display, a new SoC, and a giant battery
Gamer phone features a Snapdragon 855 Plus SoC, 12GB of RAM, 6000mAh battery.
Ron Amadeo - 7/22/2019, 12:07 PM
Ars Technica said:
Asus is still trying to make gaming phones a thing with the release of the Asus ROG (Republic of Gamers) Phone II. Just like last year's model, this is a high-end smartphone with a hyper-aggressive "gamer" design and a light-up back logo, but there are also genuinely impressive specs here that you won't find on any other smartphone right now.

The Asus Republic of Gamers Phone II is the first device to launch with Qualcomm's new Snapdragon 855 Plus SoC. This 855 "Plus" is a mid-cycle upgrade for the Snapdragon 855 with higher clock speeds for the CPU and GPU. The SoC's single "Prime" CPU core gets bumped from 2.84GHz to 2.96GHz, while the GPU gets a 15% boost from 585MHz to 672MHz.

You're going to need that extra horsepower, since the ROG Phone II has a 6.59-inch, 2340×1080 OLED display with a 120Hz refresh rate, which is up from 90Hz last year. This is one of the fastest displays you can get on a smartphone, alongside the 120Hz display on the Razer Phone 2, though that is an LCD. The 90Hz display on the OnePlus 7 Pro turned out to be one of the phone's best features even when you weren't gaming, thanks to the faster, smoother UI animations it enabled. I expect faster displays to show up in many more smartphones phones next year.

The third headline feature to point out is the 6000mAh battery, which is absolutely massive compared to the batteries in most flagship phones on the market. The Galaxy S10+ has a mere 4100mAh battery. The OnePlus 7 Pro is only 4000mAh. Hopefully we're looking at a long runtime.

Other specs include a massive 12GB of RAM, options for 128GB of 512GB of storage, two USB-C ports, a 3.5mm headphone jack, dual front-facing speakers, a 24MP front camera, and dual rear cameras featuring a 48MP main camera and a 13MP wide angle. There's an in-screen fingerprint reader but no wireless charging, SD slot, or water resistance.

Besides the usual display and SoC improvements, there are some actual gaming-centric features on the ROG Phone II that you won't get on other smartphones. The second USB port lives on the side of the phone, which is great for charging the device during a landscape gaming session without the cord getting in the way of your hands. We've seen a few phones with pressure-sensitive sensors in them now, and Asus uses them for shoulder buttons that exist on the left and right side of the phone in landscape.

Next to the side USB port is what Asus only calls a "proprietary connector," and the two ports team up to power a range of accessories from Asus. The clip-on cooling fan returns and comes bundled with the phone. A new "ROG Kunai Gamepad" looks like an edgy version of a Nintendo Switch controller, with two controller halves that can be held individually, slid into a controller mount, or connected to the sides of the phone with a special case.

Also returning is a new version of the TwinView Dock II, which mounts a second, identical display panel to your phone along with an extra 5000mAh battery. It looks like a ROG Phone II with a second ROG Phone II attached to it. You can Voltron the whole Asus accessory package together by putting your phone in the TwinView Dock and then connecting the controller halves to either side of the dock. You now have a 1.4 pound handheld gaming system.

The design is a minor evolution over last year's ROG Phone, and unless you see them side-by-side, they are hard to tell apart. The front of the phone is surprisingly generic-looking compared to the laser rave party on the back. You get an old-school top and bottom bezel design that skips the notches, hole punches, pop-up cameras, and other 2018-2019 design motifs in favor of simple straight lines. Front stereo speakers sit at the top and bottom edges of the phone, and copper accents just below the speakers are the only thing that give the front some personality.

The all-glass back of the phone looks like it will transform into a robot any second now, and it features a light-up RGB LED ROG logo, an "aerodynamic system" vent, and the dual-camera system with crazy-angled lenses for the cameras and LED flash.

The ROG Phone 1 was designed to give the illusion of having an advanced cooling system, with two large copper vents on the back of the phone and an optional clip on fan. But these just seemed to just be "for looks" and didn't actually help much with the cooling. Teardowns show a painted copper plate behind the vents, and the plate lacked any kind of thermal connection to the phone components (like say, thermal paste or thermal pads over the SoC). The phone still shipped with an actual vapor chamber cooling system, but that was deep on the inside of the phone, behind the screen. The outside was all for show.

The optional clip-on cooling fan for the ROG Phone 1 also didn't do anything. Like the vents, it had no thermal connection to the hot parts of the phone. The fan just blew air over the glass back, which is a poor conductor of heat. Reviewers reported that the ROG Phone 1 fan didn't significantly lower the phone's running temperature, and in some cases, it actually made the phone run hotter.

I bring up these ROG Phone 1 cooling issues to say, "Don't believe the design!" Last year, Asus had no issues adding completely misleading design elements and accessories to the phone, so this year, the company has earned some skepticism. The ROG Phone II has a new clip-on cooler fan that, again, looks like it just blows air on the back of the phone and doesn't have a thermal connection to the hot parts. There is once again a vent on the back, but it's even smaller this year, and we'll have to wait for teardowns to see if it is actually related to the cooling system.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/22/asus-rog-phone-ii-gaming-hands-on/
Engadget said:
Update 7/22/19 8:37AM ET: The ROG Phone II will be launching in Taiwan on August 1st, and it'll cost NT$26,990 which is about US$870. That's a notable drop from last year's NT $31,990 or about US $1,030, so expect a similar gap in other markets. The TwinView Dock II is priced at NT $6,990 or about US $230, and the Kunai gamepad is asking for NT3,990 or about US$130.

Even without accessories it has pressure-sensitive "shoulder buttons" and a bottom charging port for the convenience of easy charging while gaming in landscape mode:
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The phone, TwinView dock, and controller attached. For whatever reason, Asus doesn't have pictures of the accessories, so this is from Engadget's hands-on.
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I can't find a photo of the above Twinview Dock 2 accessory from behind, but Twinview Dock 1 had the classic physical shoulder buttons:
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This will work with the WiGig Dock ($329 MSRP) that was an accessory to the original though it isn't clear if there is an update to this since I see Engadget say "WiGig Display Dock Plus". It just turned the phone into a wireless controller that mirrored wirelessly to your TV screen.
https://www.asus.com/Phone-Accessories/ASUS-WiGig-Display-Dock/
https://store.asus.com/us/item/201810AM170000005
Console Experience
With Gamevice and the ASUS WiGig Dock, ROG Phone morphs into a portable console with a full inventory of physical gaming controls and ultra-low-latency wireless display connectivity featuring Qualcomm 11ad technology for 60GHz Wi-Fi. It packs dual analog joysticks, left and right fire triggers and bumpers, a D-pad, along with A, B, X, Y and L3, R3 buttons. You can game on the go using just the Gamevice, or connect via the WiGig Dock for immersive big-screen gaming.
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If you're into serious gaming on your phone this looks like the phone to own. The screen size, battery size, and internal storage are baller. The chipset and RAM are unrivaled. The Razer Phone II has been one-upped. Comparisons:
  1. https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ROG-Phone-II,Razer-Phone-2/phones/11212,11004
  2. https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9770&idPhone2=9363
 
Asus’ ROG Phone II features a 120Hz display, a new SoC, and a giant battery
Gamer phone features a Snapdragon 855 Plus SoC, 12GB of RAM, 6000mAh battery.
Ron Amadeo - 7/22/2019, 12:07 PM

https://www.engadget.com/2019/07/22/asus-rog-phone-ii-gaming-hands-on/


Even without accessories it has pressure-sensitive "shoulder buttons" and a bottom charging port for the convenience of easy charging while gaming in landscape mode:
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The phone, TwinView dock, and controller attached. For whatever reason, Asus doesn't have pictures of the accessories, so this is from Engadget's hands-on.
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I can't find a photo of the above Twinview Dock 2 accessory from behind, but Twinview Dock 1 had the classic physical shoulder buttons:
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This will work with the WiGig Dock ($329 MSRP) that was an accessory to the original though it isn't clear if there is an update to this since I see Engadget say "WiGig Display Dock Plus". It just turned the phone into a wireless controller that mirrored wirelessly to your TV screen.
https://www.asus.com/Phone-Accessories/ASUS-WiGig-Display-Dock/
https://store.asus.com/us/item/201810AM170000005

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If you're into serious gaming on your phone this looks like the phone to own. The screen size, battery size, and internal storage are baller. The chipset and RAM are unrivaled. The Razer Phone II has been one-upped. Comparisons:
  1. https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ROG-Phone-II,Razer-Phone-2/phones/11212,11004
  2. https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9770&idPhone2=9363

Imagine how cool it would be to play Candy Crush on that! Wow!
Honestly the state of mobile gaming is so damn sad, like 2 or 3 good games and thats all.
 
Imagine how cool it would be to play Candy Crush on that! Wow!
Honestly the state of mobile gaming is so damn sad, like 2 or 3 good games and thats all.
For those who emulate Android has cycle-accurate or high accuracy emulation for the N64/PS1 generations of console and earlier, and there are many official ports for these older games (ex. Final Fantasy series, Half-Life 2, Baldur's Gate games, Mount & Blade: Warband, the upcoming Mega Man X Dive, etc.). There are also ports from more recent gens like GTA: San Andreas and GTA: Vice City.

Competitive Android Games
NVIDIA Tegrazone 3 is mostly trash, but some of the most technically sophisticated, graphically demanding games on Android are here; designed specifically for the NVIDIA Shield, with some like the port of Portal exclusive to that device, but many others compatible with other Android devices. Some of them are really good like Madfinger's Dead Trigger & Shadowgun series that debuted in the original Tegrazone. Generally, the best games here are paid apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nvidia.tegrazone3&hl=en_US

There are upcoming games like Diablo Immortal that's announcement infuriated hardcore gamers who felt jilted bceausee it isn't coming to the PC or Consoles.

Finally, there's a whole bunch of glossy bullshit by Gameloft and others for phone gamers who endure that. Not my cup of tea, but millions are out there playing these games, and they would benefit from this horsepower.
 
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Best Android Games
  • Battle Royale
    • Fortnite; PUBG Mobile; Rules of Survival
  • FPS
    • Critical Ops; Forward Assault; Guns of BOOM
  • MOBAs
    • Vainglory; Arena of Valor; Mobile Legends: Bang Bang; Heroes of Order & Chaos
  • Tower Defense
    • Clash Royale; Clash of Clans
  • Everything else
    • Minecraft; Roblox; Survival Heroes; Dota Underlords; Auto Chess; World of Tanks Blitz; Hearthstone; Polytopia; Brawl Stars; Armajet; Bombsquad; World of Warships; Summoner's War: Sky Arena; Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Maybe I am getting old, but I am excited for exactly zero of those games.
Maybe FPS and BR games would be nice with a controller, though. As well as NFS and WoT.
Anything starting with "clash" is hot garbage and/or pay to win, as are all those "angry dude shouting to the right" games.
I think some isometric games could be cool on a phone/tablet and god dammit, tablet looks like it was created to play strategies, both turn based and real time!
 
Maybe I am getting old, but I am excited for exactly zero of those games.
Maybe FPS and BR games would be nice with a controller, though. As well as NFS and WoT.
Anything starting with "clash" is hot garbage and/or pay to win, as are all those "angry dude shouting to the right" games.
I think some isometric games could be cool on a phone/tablet and god dammit, tablet looks like it was created to play strategies, both turn based and real time!
That's fine, but your comment on "2-3 good games" was inaccurate. There's not a lot, which is why phones like the above are a serious niche, and you're not in that niche, but some might be. Those aren't pay-to-win games. Hearthstone might be the only game above where the need to spend money to stay competitive is a complaint.

I haven't played Forward Assault but that is probably the shakiest addition to the list. It's apparently an inferior Bullet Force minus the P2W schemes, but much more poorly coded.
 
Rumors are flying around that Corsair is buying Origin PC:


Corsair has been making big inroads into the hearts and souls of PC gamers across the world for years now, extending into new markets every year and acquiring companies along the way.
Elgato was a recent one, and now rumors are swirling that Corsair is going to acquire custom system builder Origin PC. The rumor is coming from our friends at eTeknix, who said "Corsair is acquiring system builder Origin PC in the US, according to several sources that have informed us earlier today". Once Corsair has acquired Origin PC it could see its hardware and product stack, including game streaming and product lines from Elgato, rolled into systems across the US. Origin PC also recently showed off its Big O PC which combined an Xbox One, PS4, Nintendo Switch and gaming PC all into one. The PC packed a bunch of Corsair goods, but imagine a future where Corsair actually owns Origin PC. Interesting rumor, and something that will definitely stir the pot in the coming days while we wait for confirmation.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6670...re-custom-system-builder-origin-pc/index.html
 
There are upcoming games like Diablo Immortal.

Word is its been ready for months. They did a soft release in one of the asian markets and it bombed. So it'll probably be released after the new Pc title with some sort of tie in.
 
Rumors are flying around that Corsair is buying Origin PC:


Corsair has been making big inroads into the hearts and souls of PC gamers across the world for years now, extending into new markets every year and acquiring companies along the way.
Elgato was a recent one, and now rumors are swirling that Corsair is going to acquire custom system builder Origin PC. The rumor is coming from our friends at eTeknix, who said "Corsair is acquiring system builder Origin PC in the US, according to several sources that have informed us earlier today". Once Corsair has acquired Origin PC it could see its hardware and product stack, including game streaming and product lines from Elgato, rolled into systems across the US. Origin PC also recently showed off its Big O PC which combined an Xbox One, PS4, Nintendo Switch and gaming PC all into one. The PC packed a bunch of Corsair goods, but imagine a future where Corsair actually owns Origin PC. Interesting rumor, and something that will definitely stir the pot in the coming days while we wait for confirmation.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6670...re-custom-system-builder-origin-pc/index.html
Origin was started by original Alienware guys who left after Dell bought them, right?
I had to look up and see if Falcon Northwest was still around. They're the PC gaming OGs.
 
The RTX 2080 Super is not at all like the GTX 2060 Super or GTX 2070 Super editions. It's barely better than the RTX 2080; landing about the same distance ahead of it that the RTX 2070 Super lands behind. The 2060 Super is 3x-4x as far beyond the 2060 & the 2070 Super is 2x as far beyond the 2070 as the 2080 Super is beyond the 2080. It's far more power hungry than the 2080, and it runs at nearly identical temps & noise levels (incrementally worse). It adds about 11% ray-tracing power that is useful in 26 total games (some not yet out). Those are listed below.

It's better than nothing, since it's more for the same $699 price, but it's very disappointing in comparison to the other two cards, and relative to AMD's gains. Of course, it exists above AMD's ceiling of performance, so that's probably why it's such a disappointing advancement in value for gamers spending <$500 on their video card.
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Here are all the games that support Nvidia’s RTX ray tracing
  • Ark: Survival Evolved
  • Assetto Corsa Competizione
  • Atomic Heart
  • Battlefield V
  • Control
  • Dauntless
  • In Death
  • Enlisted
  • Final Fantasy XV
  • The Forge Arena
  • Fractured Lands
  • Hitman 2
  • Justice
  • JX3
  • Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
  • Metro Exodus
  • Quake 2 RTX
  • PlayerUnknown’s BattleGrounds
  • Project DH
  • Remnant from the Ashes
  • Serious Sam 4: Planet Badass
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  • Stay in the Light
  • Vampire: Masquerade- Bloodlines 2
  • We Happy Few
  • Wolfenstein: Youngblood
 
Asus’ ROG Phone II features a 120Hz display, a new SoC, and a giant battery

This phone confuses me. For the advantage of high refresh rate is linked to input device(controller type) in games that require instances of quick movement. Benefits of a 120hz phone display wont be seen with standard phone game input. Even if you attach a controller screen tearing isnt an issue.

Is input delay an issue on mobile games?
 
This phone confuses me. For the advantage of high refresh rate is linked to input device(controller type) in games that require instances of quick movement. Benefits of a 120hz phone display wont be seen with standard phone game input. Even if you attach a controller screen tearing isnt an issue.

Is input delay an issue on mobile games?
My assumption is the 120Hz display targets games intended to be played with that controller accessory like those you see on the Tegrazone market aimed at the NVIDIA Shield.

I've never seen any figures on input latency for the controller. Very little expert review of this stuff since it's the casual market.
 
fo'real. i don't get the point of a phone the size of a tablet, so you can play... phone games.

@jefferz

I feel this.
I mean my friend once took his iPad to a club because his phone was broken, no one batted an eye, it's like gigantic phones are the way of the future.
Remember the days when phones got smaller to be more convenient, yet now days we're all walking around with phones you could land a plane on simply so we can watch videos and play games better?
 
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