Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[AlphaBetaShark]

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those days are either over or quite numbered, depending on the game/setup. and games being developed now are utilizing more cores.

They may be numbered but as of today Intel still has the best gaming CPU.

 

[rob mafia]

They may be numbered but as of today Intel still has the best gaming CPU.

in general, yes. as of a couple months from now... probably not.

that said, it would ONLY be best for gaming, anyway - and worse in nearly every other metric (including price, priceerformance, and power efficiency)

it’s posts like these that make hesitant on buying a pc. Wtf does this even mean?

it means get a 3300x-3900x, depending on your budget/what you use your comp for. or wait til septemberish.

 

[jx820]

Hotline Miami, Castle Crashers and Rogue Legacy run on anything. Save your $.

 

[AlphaBetaShark]

in general, yes. as of a couple months from now... probably not.

that said, it would ONLY be best for gaming, anyway - and worse in nearly every other metric (including price, priceerformance, and power efficiency)



it means get a 3300x-3900x, depending on your budget/what you use your comp for. or wait til septemberish.

Are you willing to make a one month avatar bet that AMD’s new Ryzen chip will surpass Intel’s upcoming 10900k in gaming? And I’m talking about real retail games and not synthetic benchmarks.

 

[rob mafia]

Are you willing to make a one month avatar bet that AMD’s new Ryzen chip will surpass Intel’s upcoming 10900k in gaming? And I’m talking about real retail games and not synthetic benchmarks.

depends on the criteria, but i guess?

can someone explain why people care so much about sig/avatar bets on here?

 

[AlphaBetaShark]

depends on the criteria, but i guess?

can someone explain why people care so much about sig/avatar bets on here?

I never made an avatar bet on here before, so the idea was just for fun. We are looking at over 6 months before both flagship desktop chips become available, so if you're not up for it no worries.

I was thinking the two of us could each name a source from a reputable website that does benchmarking and if either side wins both, they are declared the winner.

 

[jefferz]

Are you willing to make a one month avatar bet that AMD’s new Ryzen chip will surpass Intel’s upcoming 10900k in gaming? And I’m talking about real retail games and not synthetic benchmarks.

Which new Ryzen chip are you talking about?

 

[AlphaBetaShark]

Which new Ryzen chip are you talking about?

A Ryzen 4000 cpu vs the successor to the i9 9900k

 

[jefferz]

A Ryzen 4000 cpu vs the successor to the i9 9900k

Intel 10 series is dropping soon, you can already preorder boards on Newegg and reviewers have boards in hand.
Who knows when the Ryzen 4000 series will drop. A good chunk of this year has been lost to the Covid so I doubt we'll see anything released this year. Maybe a Zen 2 refresh, but not Zen 3.

 

[AlphaBetaShark]

Intel 10 series is dropping soon, you can already preorder boards on Newegg and reviewers have boards in hand.
Who knows when the Ryzen 4000 series will drop. A good chunk of this year has been lost to the Covid so I doubt we'll see anything released this year. Maybe a Zen 2 refresh, but not Zen 3.

Yeah that's why I said if he's not up for it no worries.
I have a feeling they might hold off on releasing the 10900k until things settle down and the holiday season arrives.

 

[jefferz]

Yeah that's why I said if he's not up for it no worries.
I have a feeling they might hold off on releasing the 10900k until things settle down and the holiday season arrives.

Reviewers already have them in hand, that means we're weeks away from a release.

 

[Swing]

How long was AMD behind before they caught back up and eclipsed Intel? I'm not saying that to defend intel; I'm just pointing out that it might be a while before this changes. At least in Intel's case they're so large that there's no real risk of them going out of business. They'll have something more competitive eventually.

 

[AlphaBetaShark]

Reviewers already have them in hand, that means we're weeks away from a release.

You don't think they would hold them due to the pandemic?

 

[rob mafia]

I never made an avatar bet on here before, so the idea was just for fun. We are looking at over 6 months before both flagship desktop chips become available, so if you're not up for it no worries.

I was thinking the two of us could each name a source from a reputable website that does benchmarking and if either side wins both, they are declared the winner.

honestly, i don't care much either way. i'm game, just indifferent.

and it might be less than 6 months, but it's hard to know what the timetables are. the new intels should be out like next week or something. the zen3 should be in the septober range.

How long was AMD behind before they caught back up and eclipsed Intel? I'm not saying that to defend intel; I'm just pointing out that it might be a while before this changes. At least in Intel's case they're so large that there's no real risk of them going out of business. They'll have something more competitive eventually.

intel's probably not going bankrupt anytime soon... but they're already shifting focus from cpus to ai/self-driving cars/software/iot.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Any1 knows if Intel works on anything right now to compete with AMD? Or should I just go and buy AMD

In gaming Intel CPU's are still king. AMD is killing it sales wise for their CPU's are cheaper at only a small 1% to 10% performance loss. End of the day it comes down to how much money you wish to spend on a CPU.

 

[Swing]

honestly, i don't care much either way. i'm game, just indifferent.

and it might be less than 6 months, but it's hard to know what the timetables are. the new intels should be out like next week or something. the zen3 should be in the septober range.



intel's probably not going bankrupt anytime soon... but they're already shifting focus from cpus to ai/self-driving cars/software/iot.

Does switching focus really imply that they're going to get out of the CPU business though? It seems like it'd be smart to focus on something that will be more beneficial until they've actually got something lined up that can compete with AMD.

That said, I don't necessarily think they're even going to fall behind in games. The new consoles are 8 cores with 16 threads, so I'd guess developers will program with that in mind. The 10700k is already bringing back hyperthreading, so at least in terms of core count they shouldn't be behind the baseline.

I do wonder how well my 9700k is going to hold up though.

 

[Cygnus A]

No reason to support Intel right now. AMD knocked it out of the part. Buy Ryzen.

 

[DrakeEB2]

So conflicted right now...I was an AMD guy from the late 90's all the way up until 3 years ago. I went from an AMD Phenom 2 (ran hot as fuck) to an Intel i5 6500, runs cool with stock fan. I don't OC, just never felt comfortable messing with it. I'm mostly a Total War gamer these days so the faster single cores of the Intel CPU made a big difference when gaming since TW games are very CPU intensive.This was my first ever Intel CPU, ironically Ryzen literally had just come out when i bought it.
But now that AMD redeemed themselves i dunno what to do....
Currently i have the i5 6500, GTX 1070 and 16gb ram. 2k 144hz gaming monitor.
I'm gonna wait on the 3080 series of cards as far as GPU. Probably get 32gb ram 2 SSD's, ect. ect.
Money isn't really an issue. I'm looking to spend 2-4k. Already have the solid gaming monitor so that's not part of the money i'd spend.
But i am jaded, get a new 10th Gen Intel or wait for Ryzen 4000...
That's the big question. I'm not a competitive gamer. Really the only games that push my current rig is heavily modded Rome 2, Attila, and in Kingdom Come Deliverance i get huge fps drops in the big battles on Ultra settings. But i have the money and figure it's about time i go all out and treat myself to a pc master race rig.

 

[jefferz]

Does switching focus really imply that they're going to get out of the CPU business though? It seems like it'd be smart to focus on something that will be more beneficial until they've actually got something lined up that can compete with AMD.

That said, I don't necessarily think they're even going to fall behind in games. The new consoles are 8 cores with 16 threads, so I'd guess developers will program with that in mind. The 10700k is already bringing back hyperthreading, so at least in terms of core count they shouldn't be behind the baseline.

I do wonder how well my 9700k is going to hold up though.

Desktop cpu’s are a very, very small chunk of Intels business.

 

[jefferz]

In gaming Intel CPU's are still king. AMD is killing it sales wise for their CPU's are cheaper at only a small 1% to 10% performance loss. End of the day it comes down to how much money you wish to spend on a CPU.

Yeah, if you want to throw $500 at a cpu you can get the “best” gaming cpu, the 9900k. Every other price point AMD wins.