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Lol I’m pretty sure AMD iS going to send cards to reviewers
 
And he has double your IQ.




I’d love to be in a room listening to him and Wendell having a conversation.

I don’t know who that is, but I always thought it’d be neat to watch Anthony do a video with Steve from Gamers Nexus.
 
I don’t know who that is, but I always thought it’d be neat to watch Anthony do a video with Steve from Gamers Nexus.

Wendell from Level1Techs is the guy that Anthony, or pretty much anyone of the PC tech channels, call when they need help. Wendell was in yesterday's Gamers Nexus video.
 
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Wendell from Level1Techs is the guy that Anthony, or pretty much anyone of the PC tech channels, call when they need help. Wendell was in yesterday's Gamers Nexus video.

Wendell used to be on that channel with that goth looking guy several years back, Tech Syndicate? I remember they split up then I subbed to Wendell's new channel and forgot about the other guy, he did something shady didn't he?
 
Wendell used to be on that channel with that goth looking guy several years back, Tech Syndicate? I remember they split up then I subbed to Wendell's new channel and forgot about the other guy, he did something shady didn't he?
I don’t think there was any malicious intent from the Tek Syndicate guy, he just sucks at running a business. The channel got too big and he didn’t really know what to do. I think he’s a little autistic as well, which doesn’t help in the communication department. Wendell isn’t the best at communicating either and Aspy in his own way.
I wouldn’t trust the girl, Pistol, as far as I could throw her though.
 
I don’t think there was any malicious intent from the Tek Syndicate guy, he just sucks at running a business. The channel got too big and he didn’t really know what to do. I think he’s a little autistic as well, which doesn’t help in the communication department. Wendell isn’t the best at communicating either and Aspy in his own way.
I wouldn’t trust the girl, Pistol, as far as I could throw her though.
I recall there was a girl in the channel but don't remember much about her.
 
Bad news correction from yours truly for AMD fans.

I never watched AMD's full event video, but I noticed the Techpowerup figures I quoted Thursday above were from previous rumors, not from the event itself, and hadn't been updated. Now they have. Most importantly, the 7900 XTX and 7900 XT shader counts were halved in concordance with what was shown at the event.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xt.c3912

It gets worse. Unless I'm mistaken, Techpowerup's throughput figures are inaccurate even after the update. Because due to the new feature of the decoupled clocks there is now a separate "Shader Clock", and unlike the "Gamer Clock", which as I previously mentioned seems to be a responsible new specification standard AMD introduced to avoid misleading consumers where none was needed, the shader clock will actually be used for throughput calculations. In this case, it means the pixel throughput and FLOPS will be reduced. It also means ray-tracing performance will be reduced.

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So things look a bit more competitive, but in reality, it probably doesn't change my former assessment much at all. Because bear in mind the previous generation already showed us that processing power doesn't matter nearly as much as we previously assumed. For example, the 6900 XT barely has higher FLOPS than the RTX 3070: 23.04 FLOPS vs. 20.31 FLOPS. And it has far less than the RTX 3080's 29.77 FLOPS. Yet it still mollywops both due to superior pixel and texturing performance. But now, at least, NVIDIA's 4080 has one lone crutch to lean on-- superior FLOPS.

Against the 4080, the 7900 XTX:
  • +83% pixel throughput
  • +26% textel throughput
  • +50% VRAM (+8GB)
  • +29% VRAM bandwidth
  • -42% FLOPS
  • +16% ray-tracing performance
  • No tensor cores
  • -17% price (-$200 USD)

Also, @Slobodan, with that shader clock adjustment, there's no longer any question, the XTX is the way to go. Far, far better value.
what is a tensor core?
 
what is a tensor core?
Those are the cores relevant to deep-learning and AI. They're irrelevant to gaming outside of their role in DLSS. DLSS is a technology that compresses the resolution of the game in real-time, then upscales it, so that the GPU can deliver a higher framerate while hopefully sacrificing as little image quality as possible. It's similar to video compression codec formats in that respect (i.e. mp4 h.265). This is why there are multiple settings of DLSS depending on whether you want the best image quality, or the best fps.

AMD has FSR, but it is considered an inferior alternative, partly because it doesn't have discrete hardware dedicated to servicing it, although you can review screenshot comparisons to see how much you care. AMD's RDNA 3.0 brings two dedicated AI accelerators per CU, doubling what was on the previous generation, but these are still shared physical units operating on the stream processor which is already doing other things.

Similarly, the new AMD GPUs still don't have truly separate physical ray-tracing cores. So while the 7900 XTX technically has a superior number of fixed function units dedicated to ray-tracing built in versus the RTX 4080, in reality, it will probably be more complicated how ray-tracing performance breaks down than the general +16% figure I've offered in its favor.

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The last disadvantage I mentioned for AMD that isn't bulleted in my post you quoted is the inferior amount of L2 cache. They combined the older 6nm tech for a memory cache die. This is more cost-effective and power-efficient, but slower than Ada Lovelace's L2 cache. Notably, the 7900 cards have less of this cache then the previous generation's 6900 XT, but there is still more total cache on the 7900 XTX than the 4080 (or 4090). It's just slower. AMD insists while there is less than in the previous generation it is integrated more cleverly to offer lower latency for greater speed. However, that might be little more than spin as consolation for the fact there is less to use.
 
Thought I'd pass along a phenomenal deal that I spotted that will elude normal trackers like /bpcs.
($400) XFX QICK 319 AMD Radeon RX 6800
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That's the XFX Speedster Qick 319 Black RX 6800 16GB. Brand new condition. $400, straight up, total cost including expedited shipping (out of Florida). Seller has 100% positive reviews with 336 sales. The lone caveat is the sale specifies "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED". This doesn't mean if the GPU is non-functional you are screwed. It just means your claim will be handled through eBay and its moneyback guarantee program, not by the seller itself, but obviously this seller didn't earn a 100% positive rating by screwing people.

The MSRP of the RX 6800 was $579 when it launched Nov-18-2020. The best price on any new RX 6800 currently is $480 through Newegg or Amazon for the XFX Speedster SWFT 319, and that is an inferior variant. The cheapest XFX 319 Black is over $1K through major retailers, so it's obviously not a variant anyone would buy right now, but the cheapest available unit of any variant with an equal boost clock to the Qick 319 Black-- which offers a 4% increase over the reference-- is the ASUS TUF Gaming OC for $870. The Qick 319 Black is XFX's second finest variant of the 6800 reference:

XFX RX 6800 Hierarchy
Merc 319 > Qick 319 Black > Qick 319 Core > SWFT 319 > XFX AMD Radeon

Techpowerup did a deep dive comparing the reference versions of the RTX 3070 Ti vs. RX 6800, and they are virtually indistinguishable in performance. Where the 6800 really stood out was that it enjoyed an obvious advantage in any DX12 or Vulkan supported game titles:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/geforce-rtx-3070-ti-vs-radeon-rx-6800-megabench/2.html
Techspot also compared them, and found a 3% performance advantage for the 6800:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2531-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-vs-radeon-6800/

There are currently only 7 cards better than this one with 3 more on the way. So for $400 you're buying into one of the top levels of performance currently on the market.
  1. RX 6800 XT
  2. RX 6900 XT
  3. RX 7900 XT
  4. RX 7900 XTX
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  5. RTX 3080 (10GB / 12GB / LHR)
  6. RTX 3080 Ti
  7. RTX 3090
  8. RTX 3090 Ti
  9. RTX 4080
  10. RTX 4090
 
With as expensive as it is, I’m not sure that the 4080 even makes sense. At 1200, you might as well she’ll at another 300 to get the best of the best. Well, except that it might melt on you I guess
 
I had an issue earlier today. Wondering if anyone could help.

I restarted PC as one of the games wasnt responding and I was stuck at boot screen with circling dots. For hours couldnt figure out what was going on, tried different things to make it work and removing my second SSD finally helped. Now I am not sure what the issue is, SSD, motherboard socket or some driver software issue. The SSD is a 4TB samsung which I bought last year. Is there any way to check it? I ordered Sata USB cable and I will connect that SSD this way, hopefully it tells me some more? @Madmick
 
I had an issue earlier today. Wondering if anyone could help.

I restarted PC as one of the games wasnt responding and I was stuck at boot screen with circling dots. For hours couldnt figure out what was going on, tried different things to make it work and removing my second SSD finally helped. Now I am not sure what the issue is, SSD, motherboard socket or some driver software issue. The SSD is a 4TB samsung which I bought last year. Is there any way to check it? I ordered Sata USB cable and I will connect that SSD this way, hopefully it tells me some more? @Madmick
Do you not have Samsung Magician installed?
 
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