Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Woldog said:
no,the idea is to buy two new sets of 16gb ram if I can't find a 32gb set of the 4000mhz ram I'm looking at.
My existing ram will get thrown to one of the charity cases in my house.
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Then don't worry about it.
 
dezzy said:
thanks, i'd been looking at those too would you say the touchpad behaves more like that of a laptop? i don't get particularly sweaty but the mini's pads are rubbish
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It's a laptop touchpad. I use one on a Raspberry Pi and one on a media pc, I've never had any issues with either. Make sure to the the 400 plus, don't get the original 400. The original had problems with one of the bottom row keys, I don't remember which one. I have one laying on my nightstand and I can reach over with one hand and control the mouse cursor with my middle finger and buttons with my thumb without having to pick it up.
You usually can't go wrong with Logitech products.
 
This is a pretty good look at Ray tracing on the consoles vs PC's. Basically AMD vs Nvidia given Nvidia currently the PC end right now. Consoles offer some unique advantages over PC. This is only comparing Xbox Series X not Sony Playstation.

Though on Playstation he mentioned Spiderman having slightly different look vs Series X. You can tell Microsoft put a lot of effort into the ray tracing end software wise.

 
HK Gaming Double Shot Pudding keycaps for $17

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@Woldog, I'd suggest checking the box to see if there is another XMP profile besides the highest rated one. You might be able to get them to run at that rated 4000 MHz without violating the 1:1 ratio, but that isn't guaranteed, even with your motherboard and lucky-binned 5800X. Most kits have more than one XMP profile. I did a deep dive on this following our previous discussion, and it appears most are capable of hitting 3800MHz with the 1:1 ratio on the new Zen 3 processors. Unfortunately nobody offers hard binning statistics on RAM overclocks like the Silicon Lottery. So a kit with a fallback profile at 3800MHz or 3600MHz would be perfect. Often the lower-clocked profiles have tighter timings, too, so nothing is lost.

Otherwise, it would be really nice if you could find 4x8GB sticks. In addition to what Jeff posted:

Woldog said:
no,the idea is to buy two new sets of 16gb ram if I can't find a 32gb set of the 4000mhz ram I'm looking at.
My existing ram will get thrown to one of the charity cases in my house.
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*Edit* Oh, shit, I see you're on it. I thought you were wondering about combining two single sticks into a x2 RAM kit.

Shortlist of timings to favor if you decide that kit isn't the one you want:
Frequency / Timings
3600 16-18-18-36
3600 16-16-16-36
3600 15-15-15-35
3600 14-15-15-35
3800 14-16-16-36
4000 18-20-20-44
4000 18-19-19-39
4000 17-18-18-38
4000 17-17-17-37
4000 15-16-16-36
4133 19-21-21-41
4133 19-19-19-39
4133 18-20-20-44
4133 17-17-17-37
4200 19-19-19-39

*Edit #2*
Oh, one more thing I learned about the Patriot kit I originally recommended is that it has no thermal sensors. Not a fan of that for a 1.45V kit. The G. Skill kits all come with sensors.
 
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Madmick said:
@Woldog, I'd suggest checking the box to see if there is another XMP profile besides the highest rated one. You might be able to get them to run at that rated 4000 MHz without violating the 1:1 ratio, but that isn't guaranteed, even with your motherboard and lucky-binned 5800X. Most kits have more than one XMP profile. I did a deep dive on this following our previous discussion, and it appears most are capable of hitting 3800MHz with the 1:1 ratio on the new Zen 3 processors. Unfortunately nobody offers hard binning statistics on RAM overclocks like the Silicon Lottery. So a kit with a fallback profile at 3800MHz or 3600MHz would be perfect. Often the lower-clocked profiles have tighter timings, too, so nothing is lost.

Otherwise, it would be really nice if you could find 4x8GB sticks. In addition to what Jeff posted:


*Edit* Oh, shit, I see you're on it. I thought you were wondering about combining two single sticks into a x2 RAM kit.

Shortlist of timings to favor if you decide that kit isn't the one you want:
Frequency / Timings
3600 16-18-18-36
3600 16-16-16-36
3600 15-15-15-35
3600 14-15-15-35
3800 14-16-16-36
4000 18-20-20-44
4000 18-19-19-39
4000 17-18-18-38
4000 17-17-17-37
4000 15-16-16-36
4133 19-21-21-41
4133 19-19-19-39
4133 18-20-20-44
4133 17-17-17-37
4200 19-19-19-39

*Edit #2*
Oh, one more thing I learned about the Patriot kit I originally recommended is that it has no thermal sensors. Not a fan of that for a 1.45V kit. The G. Skill kits all come with sensors.
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A lot of information to digest, Thanks again. I'll watch and read tonight. And then I'll rewatch and read again tomorrow just to make sure I've taken it all it.

Thank you
 
Woldog said:
A lot of information to digest, Thanks again. I'll watch and read tonight. And then I'll rewatch and read again tomorrow just to make sure I've taken it all it.

Thank you
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No sweat. Cliffs:

  • 4 sticks RAM runs faster than 2 for these CPUs (even though X570/5800X are only dual channel)
  • A secondary XMP profile with a lower frequency (3800MHz or 3600MHz) is ideal because they're much more likely to be stable with the ideal 1:1:1 ratio (MCLK:FCLK:UCLK) than 4000MHz or higher. So you want this fallback. Otherwise, if you can't maintain this ratio, your RAM suffers the latency penalty, and you forfeit the benefit of higher frequency RAM-- killing the patient to cure the disease. XMP is great because you just select the automatic XMP profile in the BIOS, and it auto-overclocks everything for you. No manual fussing.
  • Example. This is the 4000MHz little brother in the Patriot series of the 4133MHz kit I previously highlighted for you. Notice they offer a second "tested" profile at 3866MHz:
    https://assets.website-files.com/5cdb2ee0b102f96c3906500f/5dd6b33a8bbffce4aac8c12f_PVS416G400C9K Sku Sheet_Copyable_062819.pdf

  • Don't forget that true latency is determined not just by the frequency. A lower frequency may still be faster if it has much tighter timings. That 4000MHz kit with CL19 (9.5ns) is slower than a 3600MHz kit with CL16 (8.89ns).
    Easy reference: https://notkyon.moe/ram-latency.htm

  • The safest bet of all for stability with a more aggressive frequency is a b-die kit. The cheat sheet of timings I supplied in the above post are a great indicator of b-die kits if you're at the store. It doesn't guarantee it, but those timings are overwhelmingly correlated with b-die. Easier than plugging in long serial numbers to the b-die finder.
  • Be careful to check the specified voltage of RAM sticks at frequencies this high. 1.35V is desirable. If you're seeing 1.45V or higher it means they already had to substitute more juice for better fabrication. Built-in thermal sensors are also ideal, and this is another reason G. Skill kits are in such high demand.
 
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Well it looks like there will be a new shorter RTX 3090 at least according to this video.

 
@Woldog looks like our retailers are expecting low stock for the new Radeons
 
Slobodan said:
They will announce the countdown 1am tomorrow I think, then we will be able to purchase on Thursday (I think)
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I'll likely just wait until January or around then to upgrade. I want to make sure their drivers are good and see the reviews of them up against the 3080 and the 3090.
 
Woldog said:
I'll likely just wait until January or around then to upgrade. I want to make sure their drivers are good and see the reviews of them up against the 3080 and the 3090.
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Yeah I'm on no hurry either but I am excited to see how they do
 
Insane 15 inch 4K touch color monitor with the best OLED screen. 700 dollars but still do

 
Insane if true:
Nvidia delivers an 85% frame rate boost to Call of Duty Cold War thanks to DLSS
Nvidia has announced a quartet of new games to get the DLSS treatment, with claimed performance boosts of as much as a frankly bonkers 120 percent at 4K. Titles include Call of Duty: Black Ops - Cold War, War Thunder, Enlisted and Ready Or Not. Meanwhile, Nvidia has also announced a new ‘RTX’ custom map for Fortnite, complete with several flavours of ray-traced visuals.
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Updated List of DLSS 2.0 Supported Games:

Released
  1. Anthem
  2. Battlefield V
  3. Bright Memory
  4. Call of Duty: Black ops – Cold War
  5. Control
  6. Death Stranding
  7. Deliver Us The Moon
  8. Enlisted
  9. F1 2020
  10. Final Fantasy XV
  11. Fortnite
  12. Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
  13. Metro Exodus
  14. Minecraft
  15. Monster Hunter: World
  16. Ready or Not
  17. Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  18. War Thunder
  19. Wolfenstein : Youngblood
Upcoming
  1. Amid Evil
  2. ARK: Survival Evolved
  3. Atomic Heart
  4. Boundary
  5. Cyberpunk 2077
  6. Darksiders 3
  7. Dauntless
  8. Fear the Wolves
  9. Fractured Lands
  10. Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
  11. Hitman 2
  12. Islands of Nyne: Battle Royale
  13. Justice Online
  14. JX3
  15. Kinetik
  16. Outpost Zero
  17. PUBG
  18. Remnant: From the Ashes
  19. Scum
  20. Serious Sam 4: Planet Badass
  21. Stormdivers
  22. The Forge Arena
  23. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2
  24. We Happy Few
  25. Watch Dogs: Legion
 
It’s too bad Horizon isn’t supported yet. It uses the same engine as Death Stranding but has potato optimization.
 
Madmick said:
Insane if true:
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COD titles are known to be bloated and unoptimized. Month coming into its release the game installation size was reduced by 40%(?). Saddening that Nvidia must do game developers work on optimizing their games.
 
Madmick said:
Insane if true:
Nvidia delivers an 85% frame rate boost to Call of Duty Cold War thanks to DLSS

ob3ryRKb2dsgQbAxpM3iUa-970-80.png.webp


Updated List of DLSS 2.0 Supported Games:

Released
  1. Anthem
  2. Battlefield V
  3. Bright Memory
  4. Call of Duty: Black ops – Cold War
  5. Control
  6. Death Stranding
  7. Deliver Us The Moon
  8. Enlisted
  9. F1 2020
  10. Final Fantasy XV
  11. Fortnite
  12. Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
  13. Metro Exodus
  14. Minecraft
  15. Monster Hunter: World
  16. Ready or Not
  17. Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  18. War Thunder
  19. Wolfenstein : Youngblood
Upcoming
  1. Amid Evil
  2. ARK: Survival Evolved
  3. Atomic Heart
  4. Boundary
  5. Cyberpunk 2077
  6. Darksiders 3
  7. Dauntless
  8. Fear the Wolves
  9. Fractured Lands
  10. Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
  11. Hitman 2
  12. Islands of Nyne: Battle Royale
  13. Justice Online
  14. JX3
  15. Kinetik
  16. Outpost Zero
  17. PUBG
  18. Remnant: From the Ashes
  19. Scum
  20. Serious Sam 4: Planet Badass
  21. Stormdivers
  22. The Forge Arena
  23. Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2
  24. We Happy Few
  25. Watch Dogs: Legion
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20 series aging like fine wine.
 
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