Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[glenwo2]

no further indictments means all indictments have been filed

whether or not those indictments have been unsealed yet is another matter entirely

You must've missed this then :



NO SEALED INDICTMENTS. (As far as Mueller goes anyway)
Happy Trails.

 

[glenwo2]

Lol what a BS list. Did he do all of that with his tax cut for billionaires? Because that’s his only keynote legislation. That and failing at building a wall.

You're drunk, Your Highness.

 

[SamSchmidt]

All the libs should apologize for wasting taxpayer money and time with this bogus witch hunt. You know, that 25 million could have gone out to help homeless shelters around the country since the democrats act like Champions of the downtrodden. But that wouldn't fit your narrative would it? That Trump is the one oppressing us?

If I had the Cormier gif I would use it right now.

 

[Last Samurai]

You must've missed this then :



NO SEALED INDICTMENTS. (As far as Mueller goes anyway)
Happy Trails.

since when do you believe CNN?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

This twitter thread is a great read. Very informative. Mueller's team is still going to be working on this for another year, at least.

 

[Limit Smasher]

This twitter thread is a great read. Very informative. Mueller's team is still going to be working on this for another year, at least.

Keep that hope alive, bud.

 

[andnowweknow]

So all back and forth spinning aside, we'll get a stripped down basic sentiments document from Barr, then we watch a fight to get it released?

That sounds like a lot more fighting with nothing getting done. I'm sure the report makes Trump and his people look awful so if he has influence over Barr this should be a real shit show.

Best scenario for everyone is that the report clears Trump completely because despite certain attacks on Mueller's character, the Mueller report should be the end of the Russia conspiracy talk. I trust Mueller's work, problem is whether the public sees it.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Friendly reminder, you’ve thoroughly embarrassed yourself, carry on.

lol. By being right?

 

[andnowweknow]

Keep that hope alive, bud.

I get you're team Trump...but is he really more important to you than just seeing what the truth of the matter is? All that post was nothing is a detail dummies are purposely avoiding to pretend they won something. Winning is figuring out what happened. You don't even know what's in the report Mueller submitted and people are gloating that our president didn't get indicted. Wonderful.

 

[waiguoren]

So all back and forth spinning aside, we'll get a stripped down basic sentiments document from Barr, then we watch a fight to get it released?

That sounds like a lot more fighting with nothing getting done. I'm sure the report makes Trump and his people look awful so if he has influence over Barr this should be a real shit show.

Best scenario for everyone is that the report clears Trump completely because despite certain attacks on Mueller's character, the Mueller report should be the end of the Russia conspiracy talk. I trust Mueller's work, problem is whether the public sees it.

Remember when you were totally convinced that Mueller would indict Roger Stone for conspiracy/collusion and that a jury would convict Stone for it? Remember how you even bet me that it would do down that way?

 

[HereticBD]

I get you're team Trump...but is he really more important to you than just seeing what the truth of the matter is? All that post was nothing is a detail dummies are purposely avoiding to pretend they won something. Winning is figuring out what happened. You don't even know what's in the report Mueller submitted and people are gloating that our president didn't get indicted. Wonderful.

 

[MikeMcMann]

From a political point of view, maybe. From the point of view if justice and the rule of law, it ought to have been supported with vigor from day 1 and then realistically reported on. Instead you have die hard Trump supporters denying the most obvious facts and his opponents responding with exaggerated rebuttals. It's sad.

I can't believe the amount of bullshit being flung around ITT. There are so many distinct patties I just don't have the energy to counter them all. Suffice it to say few Trump opponents on here have been anything other than realistic about the outcome of the Mueller report.

Here's what I don't get. How is it that Trump maybe being a total moron and his entire criminal administration being completely unaware of how they were manipulated and used by the Russians a good thing?

A worst-case scenario (for everyone) is avoided, but note that Trump is already fighting to keep people from seeing it (a reversal from a position expressed just a couple of days ago). Really hard for people to accept, but we just have to be patient.

There is a real attempt by Trumpbots to push a false narrative and then proclaim victory based on that false narrative.

The Mueller Investigation proved NOT to be a witch hunt. On the key element that the Investigation was constituted upon "links" and "coordination" with Russia and Trump Campaign folk was established. This NEEDED to be investigated. The idea that only if Trump himself is implicated would this aspect of the investigation be valid is asinine. If every one in and around the campaign is dealing with Russia and lying about it then the investigation must happen if only to vindicate the POTUS.

This Investigation has been, by far the most successful and most cost effective in terms of indictments tied to its the key element it was established for. Despite the fact Trump and his circle continue to face real peril from tangential investigations this CORE investigation was a raging success. More indictments, more guilty parties, and a financial success and no other prior Special INvestigation can compare. Trumps campaign was dirty up and down and the swamp has been seriously drained.

 

[DragRacer]

Yes. Peter Schiff and co. are going to keep sucking away until the proper support for his narrative squirts in his mouth and dribbles down his chin.

its much worse than that, look how many congress retired as soon as Trump won, many thinking this probe was real

that was the main reason the republicans lost the house and the dumb fucks in the house are going to continue investigations, hell the want to subpoena mueller now

 

[syct23]

So,

Has any information actually came out from the report yet..?

Or is everyone in here just claiming victory without themselves even knowing what is in the report.?

 

[Andy Capp]

It’s not a terrible reason. Any president could have an investigation launched on them to cast vague feelings of criminality. You don’t do it because it’s pointless and bound to blow up in your face.

Except that's not the case here. The investigation was into the Trump Campaign. There has been a very obvious drive to conflate them, and I guess it worked quite well, but I, for one, haven't forgotten. All the trolls in here claiming victory because it doesn't appear Trump himself will be indicted know full well they are pushing a bullshit narrative. There was clear interaction between the Russians and the Trump campaign. The questions have always been, "Did the members of the campaign intentionally cooperate or were they unaware?" And, "To what extent did they intentionally support the Russian efforts?" Trump was never the singular and only target of the investigation.

I can't believe people think it's a problem if the campaign knowingly cooperated with the Russians but that there's no big issue if the Russians manipulated the campaign without them ever being aware, or that all of the criminality that has been uncovered is cool because . We are living in a crazy world when this is the standard by which we judge the behaviour of such people.

The thing is that I'm not actually looking at it the way you are. You're looking at this through a "did the democrats or republicans win?" in a very zero-sum manner. I'm just speaking about the actual things - Mueller ran a tight ship. I really couldn't care less what this means for either party or the cheerleaders who wait on the sidelines for them.

Here's what I don't get. Or maybe, I think I get it, but I don't like it.

The report being submitted is in itself being called a victory or defeat (as long as we're clear that it was wholly unreasonable that he would indict Trump). There is no context here at all, and not even text, so the conclusion we have to draw is that the investigation itself was the threat. That would mean the Trump defenders were defending from the investigation and not from its findings. Without going into the absolute moral and patriotic dysfunction of such a position, anybody in the anti-Trump camp who is feeling bad that the investigation is over has either positioned himself against the gratification of the Trump defenders (a losing move every time), or has bought into the idea that the investigation was something to be held over the administration, rather than an inquiry of national security and criminal justice (also a losing move).

Everybody who feels pulled in one of those directions is being influenced into doing something unpatriotic, intellectually dishonest, against the principles of law and order and due process, and is generally behaving in a fundamentally un-American way. This is a rare "both sides" opinion from me, but I see this reaction as a critical failure by many people. I suspect this is more prevalent on the Internet than in brick-and-mortar life, but it's also in line with rise in tribalism in our culture that is playing out in real life. It's not good. This is a time for objectivity.

It has always been time for objectivity, hasn't slowed people one bit.

Speaking for myself, I'm no less in wait and see mode than I was last month or last year. The Seth Abramson Twitter thread linked to up above tells the story people should be listening to.

 

[glenwo2]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

I GIVE YOU MADCOW'S LIBERAL TEARS FLOWING!

Twitter strikes again for the poor sap who put up a vid of Madcow's liberal tears :


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[Andy Capp]

There is a real attempt by Trumpbots to push a false narrative and then proclaim victory based on that false narrative.

The Mueller Investigation proved NOT to be a witch hunt. On the key element that the Investigation was constituted upon "links" and "coordination" with Russia and Trump Campaign folk was established. This NEEDED to be investigated. The idea that only if Trump himself is implicated would this aspect of the investigation be valid is asinine. If every in and around the campaign is dealing with Russia and lying about it then the investigation must happen if only to vindicate the POTUS.

This Investigation has been, by far the most successful and most cost effective in terms of indictments tied to its the key element it was established for. Despite the fact Trump and his circle continue to face real peril from tangential investigations this CORE investigation was a raging success. More indictments, more guilty parties, and a financial success and no other prior Special INvestigation can compare. Trumps campaign was dirty up and down and the swamp has been seriously drained.

LOL I think that's what I said

 

[Strychnine]

He ate too many cheeseburgers and passed out?

Yes, instead of his normal eating too many cheeseburgers and tweeting from his toilet when the 4 a.m. diarrhea hits.

 

[glenwo2]

Haven't been paying attention to any news since noon and haven't visited the Warroom, so when I go on twitter and see #MuellerReportRelease as the #1 trend, I thought....

"Ooohhhh, this is gonna be good."

And I was right, because this was the first tweet I saw, and its the only tweet I need to see.

I'll post the vid again 'cause Twitter became a dick as usual and suspended the account of someone laughing(rightly so) at Madcow.

 

[andnowweknow]

You idiots did this same thing the days after the midterms. When the blowout happened in the days and weeks subsequent and there was actual info, you all disappeared. This was literally 4 months ago, and you're already doing it again 4chan style.

And talk about gif owning yourself in the context of a conversation. Man...it's like you dumped on your own chest lol.

Take your foot off the gas dummy, eat some cheese curds, and just wait for the report to come out.