Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[tonni]

Here's what I don't get. Or maybe, I think I get it, but I don't like it.

The report being submitted is in itself being called a victory or defeat (as long as we're clear that it was wholly unreasonable that he would indict Trump). There is no context here at all, and not even text, so the conclusion we have to draw is that the investigation itself was the threat. That would mean the Trump defenders were defending from the investigation and not from its findings. Without going into the absolute moral and patriotic dysfunction of such a position, anybody in the anti-Trump camp who is feeling bad that the investigation is over has either positioned himself against the gratification of the Trump defenders (a losing move every time), or has bought into the idea that the investigation was something to be held over the administration, rather than an inquiry of national security and criminal justice (also a losing move).

Everybody who feels pulled in one of those directions is being influenced into doing something unpatriotic, intellectually dishonest, against the principles of law and order and due process, and is generally behaving in a fundamentally un-American way. This is a rare "both sides" opinion from me, but I see this reaction as a critical failure by many people. I suspect this is more prevalent on the Internet than in brick-and-mortar life, but it's also in line with rise in tribalism in our culture that is playing out in real life. It's not good. This is a time for objectivity.

A noble effort.

 

[BoxingFan653]

What is it with your conservative guys constantly trotting out black people from youtube or social media who agree with you politically whenever you think you have a point? Really weird shit, honestly.

I’m assuming this means you think I’m white? lol typical

 

[FIMN]

What is it with your conservative guys constantly trotting out black people from youtube or social media who agree with you politically whenever you think you have a point? Really weird shit, honestly.

Because they love a "good" minority.

You know, someone they can trot out who agrees with them entirely, in many cases doing so to raise their media profile.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

What I don't understand, why prematurely spiking the ball? We don't know what's in the report .

OTH, tRUmp haters should be happy if Mueller concludes tRUmp didn't coordinate with Russia . As much as I hate tRUmp, it's worse if he actually did engage with Russia to undermine American sovereignty

 

[FIMN]

What I don't understand, why prematurely spiking the ball? We don't know what's in the report .

OTH, tRUmp haters should be happy if Mueller concludes tRUmp didn't coordinate with Russia . As much as I hate tRUmp, it's worse if he actually did engage with Russia to undermine American sovereignty

#metoo

That said I think this report will do further damage to Trump. Just a hunch.

 

[Last Samurai]

The report hasn't been released. The only reported detail is that there are no further indictments.

no further indictments means all indictments have been filed

whether or not those indictments have been unsealed yet is another matter entirely

 

[Limit Smasher]

What I don't understand, why prematurely spiking the ball? We don't know what's in the report .

OTH, tRUmp haters should be happy if Mueller concludes tRUmp didn't coordinate with Russia . As much as I hate tRUmp, it's worse if he actually did engage with Russia to undermine American sovereignty

So if the report clears him of Russian collusion, will you stop spelling his name as tRUmp, ya fucking weirdo?

 

[Rob Battisti]

@Jack V Savage

Thanks for the reply. I assume though that is there are no indictments coming and no perjury charges coming that it’s at least initially a positive thing for Trump. That seems obvious to me. That seemed like the sword of Damocles here.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What was your guarantee that Manafort would get indicted for sharing polling data? Didn’t we have an account bet?

If we did bet I am sure you will be bumping it in the bet thread.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

So if the report clears him of Russian collusion, will you stop spelling his name as tRUmp, ya fucking weirdo?

Prob not since his kid is a piece of shit who tried (did?) actively work with Russians and Wikileaks .

Sounds like someone got triggered by my spelling of tRUmp though

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

#metoo

That said I think this report will do further damage to Trump. Just a hunch.

I think it might though, I think the report may have references to McCain in it . That would explain tRUmps random rage at McCain this week

 

[MikeMcMann]

@Jack V Savage

Thanks for the reply. I assume though that is there are no indictments coming and no perjury charges coming that it’s at least initially a positive thing for Trump. That seems obvious to me. That seemed like the sword of Damocles here.

Boy where this Trump presidency has taken us that a sitting POTUS not being indicted (by this office) is seen as good news. Something that prior to this POTUS has never even been a thought. But ya, that is good news in that way, I guess.

I think most understood that indictment was an extreme long shot, due to first, DOJ rules and second the very high threshold needed beyond even nora to go after a POTUS. Impeachment was really the path this was always leading to for POTUS if anything and that certainly still may be the case. But even that is a stretch with the Repubs in the Senate playing his personal lawyer.

Trump still faces very real peril outside Mueller in all the secondary investigations he spawned, but make no mistake as the Mueller investigation gets credit for anything that comes out of those investigations. Giuliani, Dershowitz and everyone who tends to speak for team Trump has always said that is what worries them the most.

 

[bobgeese]

Boy where this Trump presidency has taken us that a sitting POTUS not being indicted (by this office) is seen as good news. Something that prior to this POTUS has never even been a thought. But ya, that is good news in that way, I guess.

I think most understood that indictment was an extreme long shot, due to first, DOJ rules and second the very high threshold needed beyond even nora to go after a POTUS. Impeachment was really the path this was always leading to for POTUS if anything and that certainly still may be the case. But even that is a stretch with the Repubs in the Senate playing his personal lawyer.

Trump still faces very real peril outside Mueller in all the secondary investigations he spawned, but make no mistake as the Mueller investigation gets credit for anything that comes out of those investigations. Giuliani, Dershowitz and everyone who tends to speak for team Trump has always said that is what worries them the most.

Friendly reminder, you’ve thoroughly embarrassed yourself, carry on.

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Jack V Savage

Thanks for the reply. I assume though that is there are no indictments coming and no perjury charges coming that it’s at least initially a positive thing for Trump. That seems obvious to me. That seemed like the sword of Damocles here.

A worst-case scenario (for everyone) is avoided, but note that Trump is already fighting to keep people from seeing it (a reversal from a position expressed just a couple of days ago). Really hard for people to accept, but we just have to be patient.

 

[Andy Capp]

Remember what Malcolm Gladwell said about "remote misses" in a bombing? It emboldens the survivors. Mueller's investigation produced some casualties (jail time) and near misses (non-related indictments) but its greatest accomplishment is strengthening the Trump side and taking the wind out of the other side. Better for the Dems if this effort was not made at all, handing Trump a big victory close to the election

From a political point of view, maybe. From the point of view of justice and the rule of law, it ought to have been supported with vigor from day 1 and then realistically reported on. Instead you have die hard Trump supporters denying the most obvious facts and his opponents responding with exaggerated rebuttals. It's sad.

I can't believe the amount of bullshit being flung around ITT. There are so many distinct patties I just don't have the energy to counter them all. Suffice it to say few Trump opponents on here have been anything other than realistic about the outcome of the Mueller report.

Here's what I don't get. How is it that Trump maybe being a total moron and his entire criminal administration being completely unaware of how they were manipulated and used by the Russians a good thing?

 

[bobgeese]

I just don't have the energy to counter them all.?

I didn’t know Jeb posted in the war room...

 

[Jack V Savage]

Here's what I don't get. How is it that Trump maybe being a total moron and his entire criminal administration being completely unaware of how they were manipulated and used by the Russians a good thing?

And that's a best-case scenario. Because this whole thing unfolded slowly and in stages, the impact of a lot of the findings is really muted. Imagine if we knew nothing until the release, and then all the indictments dropped on the same day, and all the info came out then.

 

[glenwo2]

Why is everyone acting like they've read the report?

I read the report. Here's what it said :


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2TwIlOU4AAQX4N.jpg

(not posting the picture 'cause I don't want this post to be moved) #thisIsNOTaMemePost

 

[glenwo2]

What is it with your conservative guys constantly trotting out black people from youtube or social media who agree with you politically whenever you think you have a point? Really weird shit, honestly.

HILL!!!

Where have you been, man?

Everyone here was wondering where you disappeared off to.

 

[Deleted member 484047]

Prob not since his kid is a piece of shit who tried (did?) actively work with Russians and Wikileaks .

Sounds like someone got triggered by my spelling of tRUmp though

No, but it does make you seem a touch childish. Same with all the peole that tried to push Drumpf or whatever it was, just a remarkably silly thing to do.