Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

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Trump is going to pardon Manafort, so nothing he has done will matter. What a joke.

Rea question comes down to the SCOTUS decision in Gamble vs USA. If he can't be tried for the same crimes on state level, he'll walk.

Good for him. I hate ratting to save your hide- this guy has balls even though he looks like a 60 y.o. crossdresser. He cheated IRS and didn't declare some things, big whoop. His couple of years in jail is fair punishment for that.
 
Yea, I kept hearing he was going for what essentially would be the rest of his life. One problem however is he split his trials so I believe he still has a second sentencing. Not sure if he's allowed to serve them overlapping or they add time to the original term.
Pretty sure it's up to the discretion of the court, unless otherwise indicated by statute for the later charges.

Haven't been paying enough attention to see where Manafort's other charges are being tried in.
This is correct
That doesn't make sense at all and I believe he's leaving out some context. Like the guy being a repeat offender or something like that.
Probably got turned into a burglary conviction.

Manaforts sentence is unusually low, though.
 
Are you serious? Fuck that scumsucking dirtbag. He knowingly lived a life of crime. At any time, he could have taken his millions and gone legit but instead he kept up a ridiculous lifestyle and was unrepentant even when he got caught, to the point of continuing to break the law even afterward. He had to be jailed for witness tampering FFS. I wouldn't be disappointed to hear he's being anally raped hourly.He had to be jailed for witness tampering FFS.

@Trotsky this is what @bobgeese was talking about.
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Rea question comes down to the SCOTUS decision in Gamble vs USA. If he can't be tried for the same crimes on state level, he'll walk.

Good for him. I hate ratting to save your hide- this guy has balls even though he looks like a 60 y.o. crossdresser. He cheated IRS and didn't declare some things, big whoop. His couple of years in jail is fair punishment for that.
I'm not sure Gamble will apply to NY State tax evasion and Federal tax evasion as they're two wholly separate entities (IRS vs NY equivalent). This means two separate harms have take place
 
I'm not sure Gamble will apply to NY State tax evasion and Federal tax evasion as they're two wholly separate entities (IRS vs NY equivalent). This means two separate harms have take place

It'll be pretty challenging to get him at state level. Will be viewed as a cheap political move and nothing more.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ns-plunge-to-20-000-while-wages-top-estimates
"For example, New York law allows defendants who have already been convicted of evading federal taxes to be charged with the same conduct as it applies to state taxes. As a part-time resident of New York, Manafort has some exposure.

Mueller’s court filings also contain evidence of Manafort’s manipulation of his business records as part of efforts to secure bank loans. While Mueller charged bank fraud based on this conduct, Vance could hit Manafort with state charges of falsifying books and records, according to one of the people.

Manafort’s legal team would almost certainly challenge the state’s efforts, invoking constitutional protections. New York’s double jeopardy provisions have frustrated state authorities in the past, said John Moscow, who prosecuted global bank fraud and money laundering cases under Vance’s predecessor Robert Morgenthau.


“My suggestion is to change the double jeopardy statute in New York to permit prosecutions with this kind of conduct in mind,” said Moscow, who is now at Lewis Baach LLC and isn’t involved in the matter. “As interpreted, the statute is too broad and needs to be rethought.”
 
Hunter hating a guy who committed treason and stole millions of dollars from taxpayers is the lib tears you're talking about?

Okay.

"treason". lol
If he committed a treason he wouldn't be facing 4 years in jail. Stop being so melodramatic.

He's a rich-guy tax fraud, like most rich people. I would be a hypocrite if I criticized him- if i'm raking in millions, I'm not going to want to give away my millions to feds to blow on wars and other dumb shit we blow it on. He got nabbed because of the political nature. If they looked into everyone like they looked into him, half the 1% population would go away to prison.
 
"treason". lol
If he committed a treason he wouldn't be facing 4 years in jail. Stop being so melodramatic.

He's a rich-guy tax fraud, like most rich people. He got nabbed because of the political nature. If they looked into everyone like they looked into him, half the 1% population would go away to prison.

OJ wasn't committed of murder either. He still murdered someone. Manafort worked for foreign governments adverse to the interests of the United States. That's treason.

I'm glad that you regard most rich people to be frauds, though.
 
It'll be pretty challenging to get him at state level. Will be viewed as a cheap political move and nothing more.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ns-plunge-to-20-000-while-wages-top-estimates
"For example, New York law allows defendants who have already been convicted of evading federal taxes to be charged with the same conduct as it applies to state taxes. As a part-time resident of New York, Manafort has some exposure.

Mueller’s court filings also contain evidence of Manafort’s manipulation of his business records as part of efforts to secure bank loans. While Mueller charged bank fraud based on this conduct, Vance could hit Manafort with state charges of falsifying books and records, according to one of the people.

Manafort’s legal team would almost certainly challenge the state’s efforts, invoking constitutional protections. New York’s double jeopardy provisions have frustrated state authorities in the past, said John Moscow, who prosecuted global bank fraud and money laundering cases under Vance’s predecessor Robert Morgenthau.


“My suggestion is to change the double jeopardy statute in New York to permit prosecutions with this kind of conduct in mind,” said Moscow, who is now at Lewis Baach LLC and isn’t involved in the matter. “As interpreted, the statute is too broad and needs to be rethought.”
Idk how it's seen as political. He broke laws. Should be punished accordingly.
If anything, a pardon to circumvent punishment is a political move
 
I'll never understand the attitude that financial crimes aren't a big deal.

"A man with a briefcase can steal more money, than ANY man with a gun."

- Don Henley "Gimme What You Got"
 
Idk how it's seen as political. He broke laws. Should be punished accordingly.
If anything, a pardon to circumvent punishment is a political move

Easy. If they investigated everyone with that type of broad scope and raids, you can lock almost anyone up. Definitely anyone operating in Washington DC.
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Good for him. I hate ratting to save your hide- this guy has balls even though he looks like a 60 y.o. crossdresser. He cheated IRS and didn't declare some things, big whoop. His couple of years in jail is fair punishment for that.

Your comment suggests that admitted lawbreakers (felony charges) should face little to no punishment? I know you're handwaving but your characterisation of it being a minor mistake simply doesn't stack up with the charges and evidence presented in court and flagrant breaches of the law after the initial arrest/indictment.

I really don't get the apologism for white collar crime. It's bizarre.
 
Easy. If they investigated everyone with that type of broad scope and raids, you can lock almost anyone up. Definitely anyone operating in Washington DC.
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That sounds like a good way of draining the swamp, no?
 
That sounds like a good way of draining the swamp, no?

Except it wouldn't be done unilaterally. It would also be communism, the Red Revolution type. Side effects would be vast and unpredictable.
 
Except it wouldn't be done unilaterally. It would also be communism, the Red Revolution type. Side effects would be vast and unpredictable.

Seems you could do worse than having a lifelong republican special prosecutor going after those who work with states that attempt to subvert US democracy?

Realistically if you can't support that all you're really looking for is the targeting of certain political enemies? What other explaination is there for your timidity?
 
Easy. If they investigated everyone with that type of broad scope and raids, you can lock almost anyone up. Definitely anyone operating in Washington DC.
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You have no statistics or anything else to even remotely backup your claim. All POTUS candidates, their staff, and their cabinet are vetted by appropriate intel agencies. There are reasons why recommendations are made to NOT give certain people clearances (Kusher for example). Also, the outgoing POTUS can make recommendations to (like Obama did to tRUmp re: Flynn).
 
You have no statistics or anything else to even remotely backup your claim. All POTUS candidates, their staff, and their cabinet are vetted by appropriate intel agencies. There are reasons why recommendations are made to NOT give certain people clearances (Kusher for example). Also, the outgoing POTUS can make recommendations to (like Obama did to tRUmp re: Flynn).

You actually take time to type out tRUmp every time? Shit takes like extra 3 seconds....
 
Hunter hating a guy who committed treason and stole millions of dollars from taxpayers is the lib tears you're talking about?

Okay.

“Treason”


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Jesus man, you just keep sinking lower and lower.
 
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