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[daj]

He took the FBI car.

The salesman was likely let go because his car was gone. The salesman's hands were taped to the steering wheel so there is no way that he could have shifted the car into reverse without some help.

Word that's what I was thinking cuz I remember the used car was gone when Lester came out. Malvo only really only targeted folks that pissed him off or got in his way.

Can't remember what happened to his red BMW though (or if he just ignored retrieving it)?

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Thinking about it some more, Malvo could have stormed the Bemidji police station all by himself and killed Lester since he had no problem laying siege to the mob office in Fargo and taking on 30 heavily armed gangsters.

 

[gspieler]

What are we to assume of Malvo's background? Notice Molly's father continually refers to "something" that occurred in 78/79 in the same vein as Malvo's doings.

That was my taken it. When Molly's dad brings it up in his conversation with Malvo, Malvo seemed to be uncharacteristically, uncomfortable and surprised at him bringing it up. To me the implication was that Malvo was responsible for said event.

 

[Snubnoze707]

...pretentious prick...

You sound angry...

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Thinking about it some more, Malvo could have stormed the Bemidji police station all by himself and killed Lester since he had no problem laying siege to the mob office in Fargo and taking on 30 heavily armed gangsters.

I was anticipating Malvo at the police station due to the Hanks kid overly-imploring his wife to stay there.

 

[BillyBatts]

Anybody else noticed that the car salesman also appeared in Lou's diner when Lester dropped by that night.

It's safe to assume that Malvo also killed the car salesman, yes?

He was also in the first episode, the couple that Lester failed to sell insurance to. Though it looks like he did sell it to them after all since they said hi to Lester which is a nice touch to show the failure Lester before and the successful Lester after.

The guy went from working at the library to working as a car sales man. If Malvo did kill him, at least he has insurance lol.

 

[saugeye killah]

I liked the finale too.

I did get the feeling early in the finale that Gus would be the man to take Malvo out. All the signs were pointing to it, he was the only one who had a journey that really justified defeating Malvo, with the possible exception of Lester, who had too much bad karma coming though.

It was good to see Malvo basically defeated twice though, once by Lester and again by Gus. Lester's demise was strangely satisfying and sad at the same time.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

He was also in the first episode, the couple that Lester failed to sell insurance to. Though it looks like he did sell it to them after all since they said hi to Lester which is a nice touch to show the failure Lester before and the successful Lester after.

Good catch. I agree that the car salesman in friendly terms with Lester is a nice subtle touch implying Lester's presumed success in selling him an insurance.

The guy went from working at the library to working as a car sales man. If Malvo did kill him, at least he has insurance lol.

Lol, that would be poetic.

 

[saugeye killah]

Sorry if this has been asked, but what is the take on why Malvo's apparent affection for Lester? He could have killed him a dozen times. Same for everyone in Malvo's "briefcase" I guess. He must just enjoy creating havoc?

Also, that scene in the diner between Malvo and Molly's dad was awesome. Reminded me of something from No Country For Old Men for some reason. Malvo actually had more in common with Anton Chigurh than any of the bad guys from the movie, imo. Even the Marlboro man was more humanized than Malvo in some ways.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: June 19, 2014

FARGO, ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Top Critics' Choice Awards

Television awards season kicked off Thursday night with the fourth annual Television Critics Awards, where Netflix's Orange Is the New Black and FX's Fargo were the big winners, taking home three awards apiece. Breaking Bad captured the best drama series honor. The awards show, presented by the Broadcast Television Journalists Association at the Beverly Hilton, made its network television debut on The CW and was hosted by Cedric the Entertainer.

Allison Janney delivered perhaps the most memorable opening line of the night, saying, "I just came," when accepting her best guest performer in a drama series honor for Showtime's Masters of Sex. Janney was honored again when she tied with Orange Is the New Black's Kate Mulgrew for best supporting actress in a comedy series. Ahead of the ceremony, FX led the network pack with 19 nods, followed by HBO with 18. Five series topped the list with six nominations apiece: CBS' The Big Bang Theory and The Good Wife, FX's Fargo, Masters of Sex and HBO's The Normal Heart.


FX's Fargo and Netflix's Orange Is The New Black Top Critics' Choice Television Awards 2014


Complete list of winners below:

Spoiler

BEST DRAMA SERIES - Breaking Bad (AMC)

BEST ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES - Matthew McConaughey, True Detective (HBO)

BEST ACTRESS IN A DRAMA SERIES - Tatiana Maslany, Orphan Black (BBC America)

BEST COMEDY SERIES - Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)

BEST ACTRESS IN A COMEDY SERIES - Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Veep (HBO)

BEST ACTOR IN A COMEDY SERIES - Jim Parsons, The Big Bang Theory (CBS)

BEST MOVIE - The Normal Heart (HBO)

BEST MINI-SERIES - Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST ACTRESS IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES - Jessica Lange, American Horror Story: Coven (FX)

BEST ACTOR IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES - Billy Bob Thornton, Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST ANIMATED SERIES - Archer (FX) (WINNER)

BEST REALITY SERIES – COMPETITION - Shark Tank (ABC)

BEST REALITY SERIES - Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (FOX/National Geographic Channel)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS IN A COMEDY SERIES - Allison Janney, Mom (CBS) (TIE)
Kate Mulgrew, Orange Is the New Black (TIE)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A COMEDY SERIES - Andre Braugher, Brooklyn Nine-Nine (FOX)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES - Allison Tolman, Fargo (FX) (WINNER)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A MOVIE OR MINI-SERIES - Matt Bomer, The Normal Heart (HBO)

BEST GUEST PERFORMER IN A DRAMA SERIES - Allison Janney, Masters of Sex (Showtime)

BEST GUEST PERFORMER IN A COMEDY SERIES - Uzo Aduba, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES - Aaron Paul, Breaking Bad (AMC)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS IN A DRAMA SERIES - Bellamy Young, Scandal (ABC)

BEST REALITY HOST - Neil deGrasse Tyson, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey (FOX/National Geographic Channel)

BEST TALK SHOW - The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (NBC)

 

[gspieler]

Sorry if this has been asked, but what is the take on why Malvo's apparent affection for Lester? He could have killed him a dozen times. Same for everyone in Malvo's "briefcase" I guess. He must just enjoy creating havoc?

Also, that scene in the diner between Malvo and Molly's dad was awesome. Reminded me of something from No Country For Old Men for some reason. Malvo actually had more in common with Anton Chigurh than any of the bad guys from the movie, imo. Even the Marlboro man was more humanized than Malvo in some ways.

Agree that the diner scene had a No Country... feel to it. Speaking of, I'm a little disappointed we didn't get a No Country-style final conversation between Gus and Malvo. Would have been an ideal time for Gus to prod Malvo philosophically, and for Malvo to give insight on his nature, and possibly human nature altogether. The brief, utilitarian scene we got where Gus simply shoots Malvo a handful of times seemed a it anti-climactic, given how significant Malvo was to the overall story.

 

[riddleofsteel]

Mr Wrench as well as Chazz being innocent are loose ends that I would have liked to see patched up. But all in all show was stellar.

They had Malvo's tape of his conversation with Lester admitting to killing his wife; didn't really need to show Chazz being released.
Maybe they could have shown Chazz & family collecting on a life insurance policy Lester had - policy going to next of kin..

 

[riddleofsteel]

Gus entered a home, waiting for the owner to return and committed murder. The wolf tipping Malvo off that an intruder was present was a good touch. While it was obvious Malvo was a killer, there is a court of law for a reason. Vigilantism is not acceptable in society. No way would this work in the real world.

Gus could say Malvo went for his pistol, so he started shooting him.
The county sheriff's department, district attorney aren't going to look that hard into bringing charges against Gus.

 

[MTT]

Gus could say Malvo went for his pistol, so he started shooting him.
The county sheriff's department, district attorney aren't going to look that hard into bringing charges against Gus.

Gus broke into Malvo's home. Also, he is no longer a police officer. I forget if the gun he shot Malvo with was the same pistol he carried as a cop.

Malvo is similar to Anton Chigurh in many ways. Right down to the penchance for self-surgery. I understand this was billed as a one season show and it can be difficult to lock casting down, but I wonder if there is regret at the top. This was a great series and we were left not understanding the who/what/when/where of Malvo.

 

[riddleofsteel]

Gus broke into Malvo's home. Also, he is no longer a police officer.

No one knows Gus broke in besides him & Malvo. Gus could say he remembered saw Malvo driving by him and turned around to follow him. Saw the car he was driving parked at that cabin (the car was noticeable from the street), parked and crept up on the house. Tried to make a citizen's arrest and Malvo went for his gun.

You really think a DA is going to bring charges against a former cop that shots a gun that has on the same day killed 2 FBI agents, kidnapped (and maybe killed) another man, tried to kill another guy plus the other murders they know Malvo committed.

 

[MTT]

No one knows Gus broke in besides him & Malvo. Gus could say he remembered saw Malvo driving by him and turned around to follow him. Saw the car he was driving parked at that cabin (the car was noticeable from the street), parked and crept up on the house. Tried to make a citizen's arrest and Malvo went for his gun.

You really think a DA is going to bring charges against a former cop that shots a gun that has on the same day killed 2 FBI agents, kidnapped (and maybe killed) another man, tried to kill another guy plus the other murders they know Malvo committed.

In a just world, yes. The point being that story would not add up. Gus had no idea what Malvo had done in totality. He recognized a face that was suspected of crimes, broke into his house and killed him. He did a citizens arrest in Malvo's living room? How do you explain that one? What you are suggesting is vigilantism. Which is frowned upon for obvious reasons irregardless of what the bad guy has done.

 

[Oblivian]

A lot of the series is unrealistic, so there isn't really a point in trying to defend the Malvo killing. I don't think the show aimed at being flawless at believability.

 

[riddleofsteel]

In a just world, yes. The point being that story would not add up. Gus had no idea what Malvo had done in totality. He recognized a face that was suspected of crimes, broke into his house and killed him. He did a citizens arrest in Malvo's living room? How do you explain that one? What you are suggesting is vigilantism. Which is frowned upon for obvious reasons irregardless of what the bad guy has done.

Gus knew what Malvo had done. Saw him driving, turned around and followed him. Followed him into the house - state he stood outside debating to go in or not - then goes in, Malvo is sitting on his couch with his fucked up leg, Gus says, "You sonofabitch, I'm calling the cops". Then says, Malvo goes, "bullshit, you pussy." back & forth, Malvo reaches for his pistol, Gus draws & shots him multiple times.


You do realize that the cops had an ABP out on malvo, then malvo killed 2 FBI agents, had kidnapped someone, tried to kill Lester. That shit would be all over the airwaves with those cops, etc.

 

[Snubnoze707]

A lot of the series is unrealistic, so there isn't really a point in trying to defend the Malvo killing. I don't think the show aimed at being flawless at believability.

Exactly. Quite the opposite. That's why it's so ironic to put that "true story" blurb at the start. People just want to over analyze it rather than enjoy it for what it is.

 

[saugeye killah]

Maybe they could have shown Chazz & family collecting on a life insurance policy Lester had - policy going to next of kin..

My only problem with that is it would display a level of concern for others that Lester clearly didn't have. He would never buy life insurance, ironically.