Fury vs Wilder III in Relation to the UFC/MMA Discussion Mega Thread

[kenetics]

I’m not disputing that the US is by far and away the most successful boxing nation. That’s got fck all to do with your post.

You’re making excuses as to why the US doesn’t dominate HW boxing anymore. And they are just excuses. It’s got nothing to do with no large athletes going in to boxing in the US. Do you think that most big athletes go in to boxing in Britain, Australia or NZ. They don’t! Most play rugby Union/league and Aussie rules in Australia’s case.
The US hasn’t dominated the HW division for so long because other countries have produced better fighters! It’s that simple

That's because they can't cut in the NFL or basketball at that size. Please don't compare rugby athletes to nfl players because they would be playing in the NFL .

 

[chardog]

As much as I like Khabib, there's never been a bigger "weight bully" that is 6'9", 275 pound giant ... who has faced faced comparatively tiny men, whereas Khabib mostly faced people his own size.

we're in the age of the giant fighters, joshua and wlad are giant humans. Wilder joyce, not exactly small either.

 

[RedDevilFan]

As much as I like Khabib, there's never been a bigger "weight bully" that is 6'9", 275 pound giant ... who has faced faced comparatively tiny men, whereas Khabib mostly faced people his own size.

?? His size? No his biggest wins in the ufc are both against FW,s and or men who started their professional career at FW, smaller men in terms of weight. Also let’s not forget that Khabib was fighting at ww prior to entering the ufc. He then refused to go up to the weight he fought at when he was fighting outside the ufc, when opportunities arised.

Khabib has even missed weight, so this is a fallacy. Khabib did what most fighters do and that is cut a good amount of weight for an advantage.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I'm not sure if you've noticed... but deeply religious people are all the absolute worst people ever.

no. people are absolutely the worst people ever. it doesn't have to do with religion, it has to do with the individual. there's plenty of bad people who are religious i fully admit this but the commonality isn't religion, it's that they're PEOPLE.

stop trying to blame people's individual choices on something other than them. make them responsible for their evil and make them own it. don't give them a pass by saying "but but but religion!"

 

[Jonny Ninja]

How do you compare the athletism between rugby and NFL players, when they are two different sports.
It's like saying a sprinter isn't as athletic as a marathon runner.
And why would someone who spent their whole life growing up playing one sport, suddenly be skilled at NFL?

This is the really laughable thing about this whole argument. That there are people out their so skilled that they can just pick and chose what sport they compete and excel in to the point of making them incredibly rich

and people generally play sports because they like them or excel in them as kids. Not based on their possible earning potential, in the slim chance that they become top pros in 15 years time. It’s nonsense

 

[kenetics]

How do you compare the athletism between rugby and NFL players, when they are two different sports.
It's like saying a sprinter isn't as athletic as a marathon runner.
And why would someone who spent their whole life growing up playing one sport, suddenly be skilled at NFL?

Rugby and football are the closest sports to each other.

I dont even know to answer your second question. You do know you have to train thousands of hours in any pro sport to have a chance making it. And even then most don't .

 

[Jack&Cat]

no. people are absolutely the worst people ever. it doesn't have to do with religion, it has to do with the individual. there's plenty of bad people who are religious i fully admit this but the commonality isn't religion, it's that they're PEOPLE.

stop trying to blame people's individual choices on something other than them. make them responsible for their evil and make them own it. don't give them a pass by saying "but but but religion!"

Naw, Man... It's true. Everyone knows this.

 

[TheHitMan]

?? His size? No his biggest wins in the ufc are both against FW,s and or men who started their professional career at FW, smaller men in terms of weight. Also let’s not forget that Khabib was fighting at ww prior to entering the ufc. He then refused to go up to the weight he fought at when he was fighting outside the ufc, when opportunities arised.

Khabib has even missed weight, so this is a fallacy.

You have no brain.

Khabib has never had 30- to 60-pound weight advantage over anyone, nor a 3- to 8-inch height advantage over anyone.

Khabib has never been "a giant" compared to anyone he has ever fought. Indeed, Khabib has been smaller, and shorter, than many individuals he has fought.

You should never make another argument again, because you can't think straight, calculate weight difference, or even notice height difference.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

@TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle

I owe you an apology, sincerely. Not related to this thread but I came in earlier and was being an arse after receiving some bad health news about a family member. I know you won’t have taken it personally, but I do apologise anyway.

Sorry to hear that, hope its something that can ultimately have a positive outcome.

No need to apologise, its just banter/spirited debate. I treat each thread like a clean slate anyway, its all forgotten from one thread to the next.

Genuinely love that level of naivety, man. I actually wish I had such a home-centric view so that I could convince myself the only reasons we weren’t dominating everything in global sports was because our best athletes preferred to concentrate mainly on games that only we played.

MMA and boxing world would both be fucked if all our middleweights weren’t plying shinty and our big men ever decided to pursue fighting instead of the Highland games.

The best one ive ever heard is Americans dont dominate soccer because they're too naturally big to play it.

 

[cws80us]

It's sad that the CTE Conor accumulates in fights passes on to his fans such as you.

Connor got beat so bad that even his fans have CTE

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Please don't compare rugby athletes to nfl players because they would be playing in the NFL .

And how would they go about doing that? are they supposed to move to America at college age? or just blindly tryout for the NFL having had absolutely zero football coaching before?

 

[RedDevilFan]

You have no brain.

Khabib has never had 30- to 60-pound weight advantage over anyone, nor a 3- to 8-inch height advantage over anyone.

Khabib has never been "a giant" compared to anyone he has ever fought. Indeed, Khabib has been smaller, and shorter, than many individuals he has fought.

You should never make another argument again, because you can't think straight, calculate weight difference, or even notice height difference.

These Khabib fanboys

What we know is that Khabib has missed weight and has struggled with his weight which lets us know he cuts a good amount of weight. We also know he has fought at WW when he was outside the ufc. We also know his biggest wins were against former FW fighters.

Khabib cut a lot of weight for an advantage or he would not have done it.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

That's because they can't cut in the NFL or basketball at that size. Please don't compare rugby athletes to nfl players because they would be playing in the NFL .

No ones fuckin interested in nfl outside of the states. The rest of the world plays rugby league and Union. Actual worldwide sports. NFL is just your version of the sport, though I’m sure you already know that

 

[Azrael40]

It's obvious Greatness recognizes Greatness. It's why Khabib loves GSP too. When you are set above humanity through genetics, work ethic, and incredible skill and you see that in another human you recognize a rare kindred spirit. These are the most Alpha of all men on the planet.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Still not as bad as being an alleged rapist ala Conor.

That guy is just a sad Khabib hater, he's still salty that Khabib ran through his much hyped D1 wrestler in Gaethje.

 

[kenetics]

No ones fuckin interested in nfl outside of the states. The rest of the world plays rugby league and Union. Actual worldwide sports. NFL is just your version of the sport, though I’m sure you already know that

Which makes the most money... There are some rugby players that have been drafted to the NFL because their skills met the standards.

However most don't cut it .

 

[flakxd]

Does anyone know if Conor and Fury support each other? Both being of Irish descent, you’d think they’d support each other….

 

[Islam Imamate]

"Have you got anything to tell us about-"
"Yes I have, I got lots to tell you!"

Lmao, how can you not love this guy?

 

[kenetics]

And how would they go about doing that? are they supposed to move to America at college age? or just blindly tryout for the NFL having had absolutely zero football coaching before?

Yes. They can try out. Some elite athletes for rugby have actually been drafted or made team. It is possible only if you meet the criteria.

 

[TheHitMan]

These Khabib fanboys

What we know is that Khabib has missed weight and has struggled with his weight which lets us know he cuts a good amount of weight. We also know he has fought at WW when he was outside the ufc. We also know his biggest wins were against former FW fighters.

Khabib cut a lot of weight for an advantage or he would not have done it.

If you cannot fathom that Khabib has always weighed-in the same as his opponents, and has been more or less the same height as his opponents ... and if you cannot immediately see that Tyson Fury is much taller, and much heavier, then every man is ever faced. Then you are truly hopeless.

Stupidity is forever