FREESTYLE vs FOLKSTYLE wrestling in UFC...why freestyle DOMINATES in UFC AND wrestling competition

[Greco_Wiz]

If it weren't for the women The United States would have come in 5th this year

hey just how much Folkstyle wrestling have those ladies done???

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Russia 9 5 5 19
2 United States 5 0 2 7
3 Georgia 4 0 2 6
4 Japan 3 3 3 9
5 Azerbaijan 1 3 2 6
6 Turkey 1 2 1 4
Ukraine 1 2 1 4
8 Iran 1 1 5 7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_World_Wrestling_Championships

Wrong again. Our men’s freestyle team took third. Read your own link, dummy.

 

[-guerilla-]

Folk style wrestling brings the audience lay n pray style of grappling that almost killed the sport

Nobody wants to see that crap

the more exciting Dynamic refined slams and takedowns of Freestyle wrestling are better for the sport and when freestyle meets folkstyle folkstyle usually loses

 

[-guerilla-]

Wrong again. Our men’s freestyle team took third. Read your own link, dummy.

How hard is it for someone named "Greco wiz" to ignore the sport of Greco-Romans impact on the results...??

Men EEKED out Iran by one point avoiding 4th in freestyle this year and your celibrating!?!?

How much folkie wrestling have those three ladies done?

You know the one that won all the golds for American freestyle this year?

 

[Lavitz]

How hard is it for someone named "Greco wiz" to ignore the sport of Greco-Roman wrestling impact on the results...??

How much folkie wrestling have those three ladies done?

You know the one that won all the golds for American freestyle this year?

They all wrestled folk style through high school and college expect for Gray who didn’t compete in college.

And Dake and Cox both got gold for the mens.

 

[Greco_Wiz]

How hard is it for someone named "Greco wiz" to ignore the sport of Greco-Roman wrestling impact on the results...??

Men EEKED out Iran by one point avoiding 4th in freestyle this year and your celibrating!?!?

How much folkie wrestling have those three ladies done?

You know the one that won all the golds for American freestyle this year?

What a good guy you are. Instead of admitting you were wrong (which now everyone can see), you change topics.

I’m celebrating because our freestyle team is doing historically good. We won the 2012 Olympics (using world scoring criteria) won 2017 worlds, and took second and third place respectively last year and this. You don’t seem to follow international wrestling closely, but this trend isn’t expected to stop. I would happily account bet you that we beat Iran at least 2/3 next years.

To your other point, our Greco team is terrible. I don’t have a solution for making it better. But making it a college sport simply won’t happen. It doesn’t get funding in the US like freestyle does either.

 

[dickcheney]

anyone that knew the difference between the styles of wrestling would recognize that most of those throws are illegal in folksstyle

I certainly hope you change your mind because your opinion is very important to me

honestly some random anonymous guy on the internet that doesn't know anything about wrestling has always been my primary Target with these threads!

Somehow i must convince you that takedowns are more important than defeating the dreaded turtle defense

just the other day a guy turtled up on me and I didn't know what to do

Only the throws that are ineffective in mma are illegal in folkstyle. Gut wrenches and suplexs. Neither do damage and suplexs are only effective in mma if you have the control ability of a folkstyle wrestler

You don’t even use any wrestling terminology, folkstyle or freestyle , in any of your posts AND you thought your 10 minute video showed throws that actually did mma types of damage. It’s clear you’ve never wrestled

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

if you spent over a decade in folkstyle and then switch to Freestyle for a year you're a folk style convert,

That just wont take 1st place buddy

# 1/2 ass FREESTYLE
# crushed

Or you could be dake and cox and Iranians and Russians can barely even score on you for an entire year. Lol. Of taylor had not got hurt he would have teched his way through those half ass year round freestylers

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Only the throws that are ineffective in mma are illegal in folkstyle. Gut wrenches and suplexs. Neither do damage and suplexs are only effective in mma if you have the control ability of a folkstyle wrestler

You don’t even use any wrestling terminology, folkstyle or freestyle , in any of your posts AND you thought your 10 minute video showed throws that actually did mma types of damage. It’s clear you’ve never wrestled

He wrestled for one year as a fat jv heavyweight. that's literally it

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

How hard is it for someone named "Greco wiz" to ignore the sport of Greco-Romans impact on the results...??

Men EEKED out Iran by one point avoiding 4th in freestyle this year and your celibrating!?!?

How much folkie wrestling have those three ladies done?

You know the one that won all the golds for American freestyle this year?

If taylor was not hurt they would have easily finished 2nd. Yianni d likely would have placed as well but got beat out by a staller in Zain at the trials who went 0-1

 

[-guerilla-]

He wrestled for one year as a fat jv heavyweight. that's literally it

Its understandable for layman with very little athletic experience outside of a unpopular nich sport to believe that someone needs a "pedigree" in a certain sport to have a valid opnion on it

However

Those of us with professional international coaching experience understand that some of the best sports analysts out there never even played the sport they are analyzing and the very best champion athletes are very rarely if ever the best coaches or analysts...did you know Muhammad Ali's primary trainer never even fought in pro boxing?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Dundee

I preferred working out with the world heavyweight kickboxing champion and a state champion Judo grappler over folkstyle wrestling plus I was playing on the state champion football team as a defensive linebacker and nobody showed up to the folkstyle matches anyway

FOLKSTYLE wrestling seemed lame after my international wrestling exposure in Brazil, South Africa, Hawaii and the middle east plus the coach didn't seem to know much about the sport as was evident when I broke all his records taking over the team some decade later as the record breaking head coach who went on to run folkstyle programs as a licenced professional in three states wile founding and running one of the 1st MMA gyms in American history

Im not worried if anybody considers my wrestling "credentials" elite enough to suggest that American athletes would do better in international wrestling if they adopted it as the American scolastic style
(thus ditching folkstyle)

You can believe whatever you want...and revel in your diversionary BS spin attempt to disqualify my opinion!

After all...
its true

I only competed in one year of folkstyle wrestling at 250lb 25%

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Its understandable for layman with very little athletic experience outside of a unpopular nich sport to believe that someone needs a "pedigree" in a certain sport to have a valid opnion on it

However

Those of us with professional international coaching experience understand that some of the best sports analysts out there never even played the sport they are analyzing and the very best champion athletes are very rarely if ever the best coaches or analysts...did you know Muhammad Ali's primary trainer never even fought in pro boxing?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Dundee

I preferred working out with the world heavyweight kickboxing champion and a state champion Judo grappler over folkstyle wrestling plus I was playing on the state champion football team as a defensive linebacker and nobody showed up to the folkstyle matches anyway

FOLKSTYLE wrestling seemed lame after my international wrestling exposure in Brazil, South Africa, Hawaii and the middle east plus the coach didn't seem to know much about the sport as was evident when I broke all his records taking over the team some decade later as the record breaking head coach who went on to run folkstyle programs as a licenced professional in three states wile founding and running one of the 1st MMA gyms in American history

Im not worried if anybody considers my wrestling "credentials" elite enough to suggest that American athletes would do better in international wrestling if they adopted it as the American scolastic style
(thus ditching folkstyle)

You can believe whatever you want...and revel in your diversionary BS spin attempt to disqualify my opinion!

After all...
its true

I only competed in one year of folkstyle wrestling at 250lb 25%

Lol at linking a successful coach when you have not even a single college wrestler developed just stop

 

[-guerilla-]

What was that 10 minute video of fun non effective toss around that you showed me? Was that the superior standing wrestling? Lol

Absolutely useless in mma .

You’ve actually convinced me how poor freestyle is in mma competition, something I didn’t think about until all the examples you found for me

dickcheney said: freestyle throws are "Absolutely useless in mma"

 

[-guerilla-]

Lol at linking a successful coach when you have not even a single college wrestler developed just stop

how do you know?

I have plenty of athletes that wrestled in college

why do you want to talk about me so much....



this thread is about international freestyle wrestling SUPERIORITY VS FOLKSTYLE in MMA not MY many and documented coaching accomplishments

 

[dickcheney]

dickcheney said: freestyle throws are "Absolutely useless in mma"

Boy, you either have trouble following conversations/context or realize you’re in the wrong finally

You were trying to tell me freestyle takedowns are all devastating and damaging, then you showed me a 10 minute video that you didn’t understand or know the names of the takedowns shown..that video while cool to look at was filled with takedowns that didn’t do damage or ended with both guys just stopping out of bounds , no follow through, OR worse, the bad freestyle tendency of looking at the ref to see if your pretty throw ended the match due to points

 

[dickcheney]

dickcheney said: freestyle throws are "Absolutely useless in mma"

Haha this video needed an editor to add “slam” effect

You are so out of your element. You don’t even know enough about wrestling to know what you’re showing

 

[-guerilla-]

Boy, you either have trouble following conversations/context or realize you’re in the wrong finally

You were trying to tell me freestyle takedowns are all devastating and damaging, then you showed me a 10 minute video that you didn’t understand or know the names of the takedowns shown..that video while cool to look at was filled with takedowns that didn’t do damage or ended with both guys just stopping out of bounds , no follow through, OR worse, the bad freestyle tendency of looking at the ref to see if your pretty throw ended the match due to points

Haha this video needed an editor to add “slam” effect

You are so out of your element. You don’t even know enough about wrestling to know what you’re showing

Its illegal to takedown with the intention to injure your opponent in wrestling and elite wrestlers know how to twist out as to survive the drop

You know nothing about international wrestling

All you do to convert a takedown lift or throw to a slam is go for impact instead of exposure

Freestyle is king of throws, takedowns AND SLAMS (as they are illegal in folkstyle)

Folkstyle is king of riding a turtled opponant

# dont know dick











Here...learn from people who know more than u do

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090412174953AAGh6mU

 

[-guerilla-]

meanwhile in folkstyle...

 

[rmongler]

Another post about this? C'mon dude.


Coach or Troll, Sherdog you be the judge.

The more tenuous the ego defense, the more manic effort expended to reinforce it.

OP keeps making 'freestyle' vs 'folkstyle' threads because it's his coping mechanism; he wants validation for an excuse, something that will let him rationalize away his shortcomings in his play-acting at being an instructor; 'its not my fault all the guys who listened too me suck, it's folkstyles fault!'.

 

[-guerilla-]

The more tenuous the ego defense, the more manic effort expended to reinforce it.

OP keeps making 'freestyle' vs 'folkstyle' threads because it's his coping mechanism; he needs an excuse that will let him rationalize away his failures in his pretense at being an 'instructor'; 'its not my fault all the guys who listened too me suck, it's folkstyles fault!'.

Well well well...

I didn't think you could stay away

And once again we're focused on me and NOT International wrestling

Quite often I think it more mature to let these peanuts Slide by and focus on an intelligent debate with the few responders of that ilk however in your case I have to make an exception as your wriggling is simply too delectable

I must admonish you for failing to do your recon as I am an enormously successful folk style coach

The strip mall karate club model and typical American corporate martial arts message has weighed heavily on your psychosis

So of course as the standard strategy goes you will interrogate me and then accuse me of bragging when I detail my background

I inherited a folk style team that had literally come in dead last in the district and close to dead last in the state for many years

under my expert tutelage aggressive coaching Style and protocol to never coach from the sidelines but wrestle daily with the athletes I was able to cultivate a wrestling team that came in somewhere in the middle of the pack by the time I was offered a position too good to pass up out of state and relinquish my team

the mr. Miyagi fantasy that a coach can be so good that they can take a weakling and turn them into a champion is a fantasy of the most childish mind

A professional veteran coach like me with many decades in Combat Sports can confirm that coaches do not create character they reveal it

coaches do not create environments they encourage them

coaches do not make athletes they show them the path to success

Athletes are born...

coaches are cultivators

the cultivation mechanism...

like an expert gardener or animal trainer

Coaches are not deities that create champions from clay

Coaches are hard-working professionals that put in long hours for low pay and scant Rewards

One of the few things you get from coaching is the solemn Pride that you did a good job when your team goes from dead last to the middle of the pack in the district and breaks all the records in school history for the sport during your tenure

that is the measure of success by any rational Minds criteria

My team was in a region that had little or no respect for wrestling and it received little or no funding so we did not have the infrastructure to be as successful as wrestling Powerhouse States

If any of my athletes wanted to wrestle in college they would have to move far away

I myself tried to start a wrestling team at my local University
(one of the largest in the nation) however the interest was negligible and the few people who showed
(when they found out I was a MMA coach)
lost all interest in wrestling

Despite doing everything I could I could not promote the sport of wrestling as I had a successful Mixed Martial Arts Club in addition to my high school wrestling team

I would run my high school wrestling practice from 3:30 to 5:30 go home change my gear and then head down to the community center where I would run my MMA Club from 6:30 to 8:30

I did this for decades while people like you were paying $100 an hour to learn Judo from a Brazilian

Are there any other questions you want to ask me...??

if so send them in a private message and leave my threads to focus on the sport of wrestling

... you see,

I'll never stop trying to promote the sport of wrestling

I actually love folk style wrestling but I am wise enough to recognize that its existence has been detrimental for the sports future

 

[TheJohnnyWalkerEra]

Freestyle dominates international competition

Once in a while a great athlete emerges from the American canstyle who can easily adopt freestyle into his game and provide some competition