Frank Mir - With Today's Judges, BJ Won the Fight Easily against GSP

[Elegant]

It's true, no shame in losing to prime BJ Penn though, I think most of us educated fans know that GSP and BJ are 1-1 with each other

 

[Mike]

This is a good fight to check if people understand how the scoring criteria works or not. No, you can't give someone a decision for winning one round out of three. No, not even if the most damage occurred in the round that person won.

 

[filthynumber1]

At best a draw for BJ IF you scored rd 1 10-8 for BJ
10-8 BJ
9-10 Gsp
9-10 Gsp

Draw

 

[orca]

GSP whoops the man baby all day.

yeah bjs a featherweight

 

[markg171]

It always amazes me that people, even fighters, can be completely incapable of understanding that the rules don't just impact the judges scoring but how the fighters themselves fight under them. If the scoring doesn't favour it they're not going to fight for it either as it's not what matters. Retroactively scoring under different criteria never works for that reason. Yes there are a few fighters who fight the exact same no matter what, but assuming a fighter would approach a fight the exact same even if the scoring was changed is beyond dumb. Why would they ever do that?

This is also particularly hilarious considering that GSP's lone fight under the updated rules favouring damage and aggression was his fight against Bisping where he dropped him standing and then choked him unconscious. GSP did fight more aggressively when the rules told him to.

 

[markg171]

Think he's just saying that because BJ is right there. It was a very close fight, but my recollection of it was BJ clearly winning round 1 in the standup, but then GSP wrestling/controlling BJ in rounds 2 and 3. Those rounds were closer, but GSP won them, so the total fight would be 2-1 in my book

It's like people who score Rampage/Machida for Machida.

Having 1 clear round doesn't negate that you lost 2 close rounds. Even in a 10-8 situation, which neither fight had, that's just forcing a draw.

 

[Chomsky Honk]

BJ did great in that fight, but GSP clearly won the last 2 rounds. People portray this fight like it was a successful example of panic wrestling by GSP, but by the second round GSP was getting more comfortable on the feet, even landed a nice headkick that didn't get a replay, the third round BJ was doing cool stuff of his back, but ultimately was unable to threaten GSP with anything serious and just got punched in the head a lot while going for sub attempts.

 

[markys00]

To say anything definite about the judges is pretty stupid, except they are definitely inconsistent.

The scoring is different on paper than how it's applied and how the announcers talk about it. Also, it's written in jello. They judge how they see fit.

 

[markys00]

It's like people who score Rampage/Machida for Machida.

Having 1 clear round doesn't negate that you lost 2 close rounds. Even in a 10-8 situation, which neither fight had, that's just forcing a draw.

No one makes that argument. Lot of ppl thought machida won one of those close rounds

 

[snaportap21]

Ufc didn't want jon to lose

Nah, in 2020 Texas’ judging criteria scored aggression and octagon control. The ufc doesn’t control the judging criteria in each state. Texas was not using the new unified rules in place today. Apply a different judging criteria to that fight and one can easily score it for Reyes.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

As judging evolves, old fights should be officially re-scored and changed if necessary. Doesn't do much, but would make me feel better if some of my favorites' losses got overturned.

 

[markg171]

No one makes that argument. Lot of ppl thought machida won one of those close rounds

Yes they do. Jackson has over double the strikes + the control time over Machida for the first two rounds. They're easy to score (but ugly) Jackson rounds.



Everybody who tries to give Machida that fight that's a clear 29-28 tries to give him imaginary bonus points for one of those by contrast less flashy rounds simply because "it was clear to them" that Machida was the better overall fighter given how the 3rd went. There isn't actually an argument for giving Machida rounds 1-2. Same thing they do with GSP/BJ 1 were BJ obviously won round 1 but not 2-3 but people still try and think maybe he also did enough to win one of the m and instead get the 29-28 himself.

 

[mister piscadinha]

BJ did great in that fight, but GSP clearly won the last 2 rounds. People portray this fight like it was a successful example of panic wrestling by GSP, but by the second round GSP was getting more comfortable on the feet, even landed a nice headkick that didn't get a replay, the third round BJ was doing cool stuff of his back, but ultimately was unable to threaten GSP with anything serious and just got punched in the head a lot while going for sub attempts.

the commentary in that fight was so pro bj that people get fooled into thinking he won

 

[DagOban**]

Yyyyeeeeaaaahhhhhh, no.

 

[rightfight777]

Sadly the UFC has opted to penalize wrestlers either by not signing them or not fighting them or not promoting them. Wrestling has proven itself as the most dominant form of combat in the UFC but the UFC would rather promote mediocre boxers at best.

 

[r-harper-1]

I was just curious as these stats tell a much different story about it.

Stats | UFC

Damage is important

 

[The Accuser]

With today's judges Brock still beats Mir into a pulp and gets on top of his wife that night.

 

[Local Plata]

Dumb as fuck. BJ landed an eyepoke and a nose-grazing uppercut in Rd. 1, thats it, then did nothing for the rest of the fight as he was gassed. All of the 'damage' was a result of the cut from the thumb jab and busting GSPs nose, lmao.

The 'look at his face!' argument is so stupid.

 

[mma fighter]

yeah bjs a featherweight

That liked to fight up weight classes because he lacked discipline in certain areas.