Frank Mir - With Today's Judges, BJ Won the Fight Easily against GSP

[TGArthur]

 

[SmoothPies]

Think he's just saying that because BJ is right there. It was a very close fight, but my recollection of it was BJ clearly winning round 1 in the standup, but then GSP wrestling/controlling BJ in rounds 2 and 3. Those rounds were closer, but GSP won them, so the total fight would be 2-1 in my book

 

[joy2day]

I'm afraid not. The damage to GSP's face was from 2 things: an eye poke, and an uppercut that shaved his nose at a painful angle; GSP was having a hard time seeing after the eye poke in that first round.

Frank acts like it was Pride judging or something, and it never was. The 10-point must system rewards winners of rounds as it always has in boxing or MMA. Judging was not drastically different then. Moderately maybe, but there was NOT more quality judging in those days, there were lots of shitty decisions then also.

 

[azerty]

well GSP wouldn't have fought the same way tough if the rules were different, so it's really irrelevant who would've won according to different made up rules "if knees to a downed opponent were allowed" "if there was no time limit", fighters fight and win according to the rules known by both of them, those arguments are always stupid

 

[Pilo]

Ifs, ands, buts....could'ves, should'ves, would'ves...

 

[VinceArch]

Are we really bringing back the war of 04 here in 2025??

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

It still would be scored 29-28 GSP

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Maybe, fight one was close.
Fight #2, BJ quit on his stool.

 

[Tweak896]

It would be interesting to rescore fights today based on today's judging. I know emphasis has changed over the years and we've seen some dramatically different scoring than we used to.

 

[mister piscadinha]

I'm afraid not. The damage to GSP's face was from 2 things: an eye poke, and an uppercut that shaved his nose at a painful angle; GSP was having a hard time seeing after the eye poke in that first round.

Frank acts like it was Pride judging or something, and it never was. The 10-point must system rewards winners of rounds as it always has in boxing or MMA. Judging was not drastically different then. Moderately maybe, but there was NOT more quality judging in those days, there were lots of shitty decisions then also.

yeah, people value cosmetic damage to a unfair degree, some people simply have sensible skin and bruise easily
also today's judging rewards "effective grappling" above anything, so i dont know what the hell is mir talking about

 

[jitzmonkey]

MMA scoring has always sucked.
Not doing another "all 10-9s aren't equal" rant.

Even if Mir were to be correct, that fight is old enough to vote in the states.
No point in trying to move the goalposts nearly 19 years later.

 

[Skarsgard]

The current judging argument is moot. GSP would have adapted his style to benefit the current criteria.

 

[ejazahmednit]

Still 29-28 by today's standards
Unless you score round 1 as a 10-8 (it wasn't) which makes it a draw

 

[Ginja_Ninja]

100% false
Maybe with Pride rules but even with today's scoring, BJ did nothing in the 2nd and 3rd to win either
Could even give Penn a 10-8 first but that would only give a draw, some good damage done but sig strikes in the first were 21-21 with no knockdowns.
Both the second and third rounds BJ was out stuck and spend 75% on his back.

If you understand a 10 point must system this was an easy one to score.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

These judges are working on the intricacies of maneuvers we don't even know the names of yet.

 

[r-harper-1]

Yeah under new scoring criteria Bj wins ….close regardless

 

[snaportap21]

Same thing with Jones Reyes. They were still judging aggression and octagon control heavily then. It’s very interesting looking at older decisions through the lens of how today’s judging would score it.

 

[HHJ]

Who cares?

 

[EnthusiastCultivator]

Correct.

 

[mma fighter]

GSP whoops the man baby all day.