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Rewatch Frank Lobman vs. Ken Shamrock: A Forgotten Crossover Fight

i reckon Lobman was pretty old and past his prime in that fight. he was 41 years old.
He is really oldschool. fought fighters like Rob Kaman and Aerts back in the day and never knew he fought shamrock.

old and out of his prime Lobman or not....shamrock did a good job. he survived a bit and didnt get finished in the first. In The Netherlands/Europ everybody knew fighters from USA had no idea how to handle or throw leg kicks. Even urijah faber was totally demolished by leg kicks and that was while MMA already blew up.
 
I loved when MMA fighters proved K1 striking wasn't real:







Is that why Maurice Smith became the UFC Heavyweight World Champion (with 1 title defence)?

Is that why Alistair Overeem captured the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship? Alistair also captured the DREAM Heavyweight Championship. He also captured the 2H2H Light Heavyweight Championship.

Is that why Stephen Thompson used to be an elite assassin in the UFC Welterweight Division? So far, he's had two chances to capture the UFC Welterweight World Championship.

Adesanya is the former UFC Middleweight World Champion (with 5 title defences). He also captured the INTERIM UFC Middleweight Championship. Furthermore, Dana White and the rest of the UFC gave him a chance to capture the UFC Light Heavyweight World Championship. Błachowicz won a decision against Adesanya.

Alex Pereira is currently the UFC Light Heavyweight World Champion (with 2 title defences). He's also the former UFC Middleweight World Champion (with 0 title defences). He's done all of that (and he continues to do it) with fewer than 14 MMA fights.

Rutten is the former UFC Heavyweight World Champion (with 0 title defences).

Over in the UFC Featherweight Division, Giga Chikadze was having a good time when he was still riding a considerable winning streak.

Mirko Filipović captured the 2006 Pride FC Openweight Grand Prix Tournament. Mirko also captured the 2016 Rizin FF Openweight Grand Prix Tournament.

Before anyone on Sherdog mentions Mirko's lackluster UFC fights, I want to remind everyone that I've posted a considerable amount of messages about those disappointing performances in other threads.

Unless I'm mistaken, Mirko said that, if he was in 2nd Place in the 2006 Pride FC Openweight Grand Prix Tournament, he would retire from MMA fights on the spot. I'm rather certain that he would've retired then and there.

I've posted a considerable amount of examples of MMA fighters being in the exact place that they want to be in when they're against Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters (which is MMA fights).

How many times did MMA fighters go into Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights?

I'm rather certain that Brian Ebersole, Ken Shamrock, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Brian Foster, and other MMA fighters went into Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights and those Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters absolutely murdered them.

In this thread, every user on Sherdog can watch Frank Lobman absolutely murder Ken Shamrock.

Brian Foster had one or two fights in Glory (which were Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights).

Tatsuya Kawajiri had one or two fights in K-1 (which were Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights).

I'm not saying that Brian Foster was the greatest assassin to ever win MMA fights. However, he definitely had UFC fights (and he won a considerable amount of them).

I'm not saying that Tatsuya Kawajiri was the greatest assassin to ever win MMA fights. However, there was definitely a time when he was considered to an elite assassin in the Pride FC Lightweight Division. Furthermore, he certainly had UFC fights (and he won a considerable amount of them).

Even though Quinton Jackson should always be really happy that he's 2-0 against Cyril Abidi, I wouldn't say that Cyril Abidi is the greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights. I wouldn't even say that Abidi is the 2nd greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.

In my opinion, Cyril Abidi isn't even the 3rd greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.

At that point in time, Quinton Jackson was still in good shape (because he actually wanted to be in the gym instead of becoming greasy and fat). Nowadays, it seems like all Jackson wants to do is become greasy and fat.

After Jackson went 2-0 against Abidi, he became the UFC Light Heavyweight World Champion (with 1 title defence). In my opinion, that has to make Abidi feel slightly better about his performances in those Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.
 
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For anyone who actually paid attention to Ken Shamrock the martial artists and not the pro wrestler....then this is completely in line with his beliefs as a fighter and what helped the Lions den become a real thing.. Ken really was like a character out of street fighter...traveling the world looking for any kind of combat sports/fighting challenge ....he was open to all of it and his style reflected that over time...its just a shame his best prime years were spent making good money in the WWF at the cost of his body..and wellness...

But dude was as legit and as about it as you could be from that era there was no doubt Ken Shamrock was for real and was coming to compete everytime ..
Absolutely. There’s a reason Ken earned the nickname “The World’s Most Dangerous Man.” He was as legit as they come, and he wasn’t afraid to take risks even when he was at a serious disadvantage, like in this kickboxing match. That kind of mentality really set him apart.
 
Yeah, or Bas Rutten or Mo Smith. Pat Smith or Gordeau would be interesting, too.
Frank went on to fight Maurice Smith right after this, and he got knocked out by a brutal high kick. Maurice Smith was an absolute assassin in the ring
 
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He was as legit as they come, and he wasn’t afraid to take risks even when he was at a serious disadvantage, like in this kickboxing match. That kind of mentality really set him apart.



Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters are at a serious disadvantage every time that they have MMA fights.
 
This fight is pretty underrated, and a lot of newer fans might not even know it happened—maybe even some older ones. But I wanted to bring it up for a few reasons.

Crossover Fights Aren’t New

Right now, crossover fights are everywhere. Since the big Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor match in 2017, it’s been all the rage. And with Jake Paul now boxing former UFC fighters, it’s even more common. But here’s the thing: crossovers have been happening for a long time. The Shamrock vs. Lobman fight is a great example of how MMA fighters have been stepping into other combat sports for decades, even back in the early days of MMA.

Ken Shamrock Was a Big Deal

Back in the early to mid-90s, Ken Shamrock was arguably the most famous MMA fighter around. He was one of the guys who helped put the UFC on the map and was known for his submission skills, especially in Pancrase (a hybrid wrestling organization in Japan). But here’s the catch—this fight wasn’t in an MMA cage. It was a kickboxing match, which was totally outside of Shamrock’s comfort zone as a grappler.

The Fight Itself

In this match, Shamrock was stepping into the ring with Frank Lobman, a seasoned kickboxer and a pretty dangerous striker. For Shamrock, this was a huge challenge—facing a guy with way more experience in a striking-only fight. It’s a cool part of Shamrock’s career where he tested himself in a different sport.

Shamrock didn’t have much striking experience compared to Lobman, but that didn’t stop him from taking the fight. Lobman was no slouch, and Shamrock had to know he was in for a tough night. Still, he gave it a shot, and that’s what makes this fight so interesting.
Why It’s Important

The 90s were a wild time for combat sports.

The lines between different martial arts were blurring, and fighters were constantly jumping into different sports to see how they’d do. This fight was part of that experimental era, where anything could happen. It’s a great reminder of how far MMA has come and how different things were back then.

Fighters today are way more well-rounded—they train in striking, grappling, and everything in between. But back then, guys like Shamrock were pioneers, stepping into new arenas and trying to see how they measured up. That spirit of experimentation and risk-taking is what makes this fight worth talking about today, especially with the resurgence of crossover bouts.

A Personal Note from Shamrock

A few years ago, I actually asked Ken about this fight on Facebook, and he was kind enough to reply. Here’s a snippet from our conversation:

Me: "All those years ago, when you had that kickboxing fight with Frank Lobman, what was your mindset? You were facing a guy with way more experience in that sport, and he was respected in the kickboxing world. Were you just testing yourself? Because you really threw yourself into the deep end and turned it into a fight."

Ken Shamrock: "Ya, it was just being young & never backing down from a challenge. I figured, what the heck, let's fight and see what happens."​

Shamrock actually did pretty well, considering the circumstances. He was definitely outmatched in terms of kickboxing technique, but he still gave it his all. A lot of MMA fighters back then wouldn’t have taken that kind of risk, especially someone as well-known as Ken. Losing could’ve hurt his reputation and made it harder to negotiate with promoters.

Admin Note: Justification for Posting in UFC Section

I’m posting this article in the UFC section because it’s directly relevant to the history of the organization and the evolution of crossover fights, which are often a major point of discussion in UFC forums. Ken Shamrock, who was undeniably the face of the UFC during its early years and arguably the face of MMA as a whole at the time, participated in this significant crossover fight. His legacy is deeply intertwined with the UFC, and the fight with Frank Lobman highlights a crucial moment in his career when he took risks outside the MMA sphere.

Furthermore, whenever UFC stars are involved in crossover events, it’s common for that content to be allowed in the UFC section. Considering Shamrock’s historical significance to the UFC, this post fits well within the scope of UFC discussions. This fight not only involves a UFC legend but also connects to current trends of UFC fighters stepping into other sports, making it a relevant and interesting topic for this forum.


Great stuff! You are on fire lately!
But I might also have confused you with another guy posting.
If so you are both on half fire!?
 
Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters are at a serious disadvantage every time that they have MMA fights.
Unless you're Mark Hunt, then you nearly pull off one of the greatest upsets by almost submitting the top heavyweight on the planet.
 
Unless you're Mark Hunt, then you nearly pull off one of the greatest upsets by almost submitting the top heavyweight on the planet.



Exactly. I forgot to add Mark Hunt to my list up there.

For the most part, Mark Hunt is a Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighter. Pride FC decided to give him a chance to capture the Pride FC Heavyweight Championship when Hunt had fewer than 9 MMA fights.

Once Hunt was inside the UFC, Dana White and the rest of the organization decided to give him a chance to capture the INTERIM UFC Heavyweight Championship.

I also forgot to add Cyril Gane. Cyril captured the INTERIM UFC Heavyweight Championship (and he did it with fewer than 11 MMA fights in his MMA record).
 
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Great stuff! You are on fire lately!
But I might also have confused you with another guy posting.
If so you are both on half fire!?
Not sure about that, but I’ll take the credit! Right now, I’m working on a post about why Urijah Faber should be in the conversation as one of the greatest featherweights ever. He defended the WEC and King of the Cage 145 lb titles a combined 10 times, but he gets completely overlooked because of UFC bias.
 
Not sure about that, but I’ll take the credit! Right now, I’m working on a post about why Urijah Faber should be in the conversation as one of the greatest featherweights ever. He defended the WEC and King of the Cage 145 lb titles a combined 10 times, but he gets completely overlooked because of UFC bias.



Faber also gets completely overlooked because 99% of his UFC fights were for some type of championship.
 
Not sure about that, but I’ll take the credit! Right now, I’m working on a post about why Urijah Faber should be in the conversation as one of the greatest featherweights ever. He defended the WEC and King of the Cage 145 lb titles a combined 10 times, but he gets completely overlooked because of UFC bias.
I will be looking forward to that!
 
Exactly. I forgot to add Mark Hunt to my list up there.

For the most part, Mark Hunt is a Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighter. Pride FC decided to give him a chance to capture the Pride FC Heavyweight Championship when Hunt had fewer than 9 MMA fights.

Once Hunt was inside the UFC, Dana White and the rest of the organization decided to give him a chance to capture the INTERIM UFC Heavyweight Championship.
I was talking about when Mark Hunt nearly tapped out Fedor with a kimura.
 
I was talking about when Mark Hunt nearly tapped out Fedor with a kimura.




You and I were referring to the same event, my brother. The MMA fight between Fyodor Emelianenko and Mark Hunt.

Remember that Pride FC said that Fyodor Emelianenko vs. Mark Hunt would be for the Pride FC Heavyweight Championship.
 
Is that why Maurice Smith became the UFC Heavyweight World Champion (with 1 title defence)?

Is that why Alistair Overeem captured the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship? Alistair also captured the DREAM Heavyweight Championship. He also captured the 2H2H Light Heavyweight Championship.

Is that why Stephen Thompson used to be an elite assassin in the UFC Welterweight Division? So far, he's had two chances to capture the UFC Welterweight World Championship.

Adesanya is the former UFC Middleweight World Champion (with 5 title defences). He also captured the INTERIM UFC Middleweight Championship. Furthermore, Dana White and the rest of the UFC gave him a chance to capture the UFC Light Heavyweight World Championship. Błachowicz won a decision against Adesanya.

Alex Pereira is currently the UFC Light Heavyweight World Champion (with 2 title defences). He's also the former UFC Middleweight World Champion (with 0 title defences). He's done all of that (and he continues to do it) with fewer than 14 MMA fights.

Rutten is the former UFC Heavyweight World Champion (with 0 title defences).

Over in the UFC Featherweight Division, Giga Chikadze was having a good time when he was still riding a considerable winning streak.

Mirko Filipović captured the 2006 Pride FC Openweight Grand Prix Tournament. Mirko also captured the 2016 Rizin FF Openweight Grand Prix Tournament.

Before anyone on Sherdog mentions Mirko's lackluster UFC fights, I want to remind everyone that I've posted a considerable amount of messages about those disappointing performances in other threads.

Unless I'm mistaken, Mirko said that, if he was in 2nd Place in the 2006 Pride FC Openweight Grand Prix Tournament, he would retire from MMA fights on the spot. I'm rather certain that he would've retired then and there.

I've posted a considerable amount of examples of MMA fighters being in the exact place that they want to be in when they're against Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters (which is MMA fights).

How many times did MMA fighters go into Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights?

I'm rather certain that Brian Ebersole, Ken Shamrock, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Brian Foster, and other MMA fighters went into Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights and those Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fighters absolutely murdered them.

In this thread, every user on Sherdog can watch Frank Lobman absolutely murder Ken Shamrock.

Brian Foster had one or two fights in Glory (which were Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights).

Tatsuya Kawajiri had one or two fights in K-1 (which were Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights).

I'm not saying that Brian Foster was the greatest assassin to ever win MMA fights. However, he definitely had UFC fights (and he won a considerable amount of them).

I'm not saying that Tatsuya Kawajiri was the greatest assassin to ever win MMA fights. However, there was definitely a time when he was considered to an elite assassin in the Pride FC Lightweight Division. Furthermore, he certainly had UFC fights (and he won a considerable amount of them).

Even though Quinton Jackson should always be really happy that he's 2-0 against Cyril Abidi, I wouldn't say that Cyril Abidi is the greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights. I wouldn't even say that Abidi is the 2nd greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.

In my opinion, Cyril Abidi isn't even the 3rd greatest assassin to ever win Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.

At that point in time, Quinton Jackson was still in good shape (because he actually wanted to be in the gym instead of becoming greasy and fat). Nowadays, it seems like all Jackson wants to do is become greasy and fat.

After Jackson went 2-0 against Abidi, he became the UFC Light Heavyweight World Champion (with 1 title defence). In my opinion, that has to make Abidi feel slightly better about his performances in those Kickboxing/Glory/K-1/Muay Thai fights.
You forgot to mention Matt Hughes has k1 level striking as well.
I'm sorry I'm never going to have the opportunity to make that joke again.
 
I think guy and Vernon tiger would have done better standing up vs frank. Ken had huge pair on him tho regardless
Don’t get me wrong, Vernon "Tiger" White had solid striking in his time. He was training in taekwondo before joining the Lion's Den. But Frank was a lot bigger than him, and I don't think the fight would have gone well for Vernon.
 
For the record, Lobman was a pretty good kickboxer, before the sport got as deep as it ended up getting in the 90's; not quite K-1 level. A lot of that had to do with his age and peaking at the wrong time (he was 40 when K-1 had its first show). He fought prime Peter Aerts three times and... it ended ugly three times!

No shame in losing to that version of the Lumberjack, mind you.
 
People think Ken was trash just cuz he ducked after WWE but he was absolutely legit when he was younger.

Younger Ken beats many of those guys he lost to post wwe
 
You forgot to mention Matt Hughes has k1 level striking as well.
I'm sorry I'm never going to have the opportunity to make that joke again.
His strategy of punching the face was innovative.
 
A cool image from the fight.
 

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