Francis Ngannou isn't training..?

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Ngannou is taking a break now because he will be in camp over Chrismas, nothing to write home about. He was training over all summer. Him and Gand are having a PR tour meeting celebrities to build up some hype before focusing on training. They will both start camp in the coming weeks.

 

[MCS]

He could have already decided to leave the sport after this, and it's easier to leave after a loss, with the champ clause. Easier to go to boxing for those bigger paydays. He's been talking about it for a while now. Distaste with the UFC, inactivity and their pay model.

 

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He could have already decided to leave the sport after this, and it's easier to leave after a loss, with the champ clause. Easier to go to boxing for those bigger paydays. He's been talking about it for a while now. Distaste with the UFC, inactivity and their pay model.

I can guarantee you he is not going in this fight to lose it.

 

[MCS]

I can guarantee you he is not going in this fight to lose it.

How do you know?

 

[13Seconds]

I think he really got his hopes up for the Jones fight, might be having a hard time getting up for this one

“Not particularly,” Ngannou said. “But it’s a good fight. You have to be aware of the danger of any fight, so it’s a fight, he’s a good opponent, but not on the level of a Jon Jones fight for example if that’s what you’re asking. It’s not the same thing.”

I was troubled when i heard him say this at first but then i listened to Nicksicks interview with Luke the day after and it's all good. They are working hard.

 

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How do you know?

First it would be absolutely out of character, he knows what losing feels, he hates it and has done everything since to never lose again.
Second it's a fight against his old coach who has been talking a lot of shit about him. Losing that fight would be even more humiliating.
Third, the UFC has been shitting on him this year and wants him to lose.
Fourth, the perspective of a Jones superfight would disappear.
And finally, his stock value would drop considerably with a loss, so the opportunities for boxing fights after hypothetically losing are not that great.

He has every reason to take this fight very seriously.

 

[MCS]

First it would be absolutely out of character, he knows what losing feels, he hates it and has done everything since to never lose again.
Second it's a fight against his old coach who has been talking a lot of shit about him. Losing that fight would be even more humiliating.
Third, the UFC has been shiotting on him this year and wants him to lose.
Fourth, the perspective of a Jones superfight would disappear.
And finally, his stock value would drop considerably with a loss, so the opportunities for boxing fights after hypothetically losing are not that great.

He has every reason to take this fight very seriously.

All good points. I get the impression listening to his disappointment in pay, number of fights he gets, longtime interest in boxing and the sending of empty contracts given his visa and timetable requests that he's lost interest in fighting for the company.

The champ clause is a problem if he wants to see what he's worth in the open market. Business wise a loss here can be beneficial for him. He'd be a commodity for these boxing show fights, which pay. I don't think he'd just be a standard boxer with a set path of X amount of fights to get a title shot. He'd be a famous attraction.

 

[AbominableJoman]

And there are starving people in africa, ffs

 

[Boomb]

instagram=/=reality

/thread.

 

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All good points. I get the impression listening to his disappointment in pay, number of fights he gets, longtime interest in boxing and the sending of empty contracts given his visa and timetable requests that he's lost interest in fighting for the company.

The champ clause is a problem if he wants to see what he's worth in the open market. Business wise a loss here can be beneficial for him. He'd be a commodity for these boxing show fights, which pay. I don't think he'd just be a standard boxer with a set path of X amount of fights to get a title shot. He'd be a famous attraction.

He said in the same interview he wants to be in the UFC and that it's the best place to fight, but that doesn't mean he can accept all the conditions they want top set.

I am not sure about how the champion clause works, like if he could relinquish the belt without losing. Hell, he can do all sort of shit, like vacating the title to go to LHW and then miss weight by 50lbs.

 

[MCS]

He said in the same interview he wants to be in the UFC and that it's the best place to fight, but that doesn't mean he can accept all the conditions they want top set.

I am not sure about how the champion clause works, like if he could relinquish the belt without losing. Hell, he can do all sort of shit, like vacating the title to go to LHW and then miss weight by 50lbs.

If the relationship between them would be good then it's a good place for him. He is on the verge of becoming a big star and knocks everyone out. Good place to be, if he would be happy with his contract and treatment.

It means that if you're champ you can vacate and retire, but can't go fight elsewhere, as your contract gets extended if you hold the belt. That they can't force you to fight, but you can't become a free agent. So if you're not willing to defend you're inactive.

 

[Draxton]

Maybe his US$459,000 watch is broken and it's not telling him how many days until his fight.
These darned half-a-million watches, they often do that. He should upgrade to a million dollar watch for sure.

Is this why he cannot afford a fight camp --- because he is eating poached salmon on a private jet and buying $459,000 watches??

Well I don’t know when he got the watch. But he made $730k against Stipe in the second fight. I’m sure more from PPV points but, yeah he has spent A LOT of his money irresponsibly.

 

[Draxton]

What about that watch justifies the price?

Nothing.

 

[Ripp0ntare]

no wonder he's broke

Dumbass spent money on a watch that puts up pricetags like this:

 

[Jitter]

I saw this one show where they rebranded a "Payless" shoe store. They made it look all fancy and all the workers had fancy clothes. Shoes that would normally sell for like $20 they would put price tags of several hundred dollars. People would pick them up and rave about the quality and how comfortable and what not they were. Just a sad display of how gullible and materialistic people are

 

[Doughie99]

Well I don’t know when he got the watch. But he made $730k against Stipe in the second fight. I’m sure more from PPV points but, yeah he has spent A LOT of his money irresponsibly.

anyone who spends more than maybe 20,000 or 30,000 MAX on a watch (even that amount is a very high amount) has really got their priorities all wrong. I know that these days SOME people treat high-end watches as jewellery and all that. So I can see 10k, 20k, even 30k.

But spending nearly half-a-million on a watch is insanity. Apart from anything else, it's a THEFT liability.
All someone has to do is come up to that person-with-500,000-on-his-wrist with a knife or a gun and that's IT -- bye bye Hyper-expensive watch or else you get stabbed or shot.

All this comes back to this : I don't believe for one second Ngannou's story that he had to borrow money for a training camp (he trains at UFC PI for the most part anyway). This is all part of Ngannou's narrative that he is poor and struggling financially and that kind of thing. Yes we ALL WANT MORE MONEY for our work (whatever our work is) of course I get it. But for Ngannou to paint this picture that he is borrowing cash to train is just utter horseshit. Just my view, don't @ me all you Ngannou fans.

 

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anyone who spends more than maybe 20,000 or 30,000 MAX on a watch (even that amount is a very high amount) has really got their priorities all wrong.
But spending nearly half-a-million on a watch is insanity. Apart from anything else, it's a THEFT liability.
All someone has to do is come up to that person-with-500,000-on-his-wrist with a knife or a gun and that's IT -- bye bye Hyper-expensive watch or else you get stabbed or shot.

There is more reasons to steal a 20k$ watch than a 500K$ unsellable watch.
It's a pure vanity business anyway, the only reason to have a 500K$ watch is to show that you a have spent 500K$ on a watch. You get it stolen, insurances do their job, and you don't give a shit because you are a filthy rich asshole who didn't need that watch in the first place and will buy the next 500K$ watch to be made.

All this comes back to this : I don't believe for one second Ngannou's story that he had to borrow money for a training camp (he trains at UFC PI for the most part anyway). This is all part of Ngannou's narrative that he is poor and struggling financially and that kind of thing. Yes we ALL WANT MORE MONEY for our work (whatever our work is) of course I get it. But for Ngannou to paint this picture that he is borrowing cash to train is just utter horseshit. Just my view, don't @ me all you Ngannou fans.

I think it is very plausible that he ran out of money. Purse+bonus was 310 000$ for the Jarzinho fight, which after all deductions comes down under 200K.
So 200K to last a year, it is still very comfortable, but if you expect to have a fight in the next 6months and it ends up taking a full year instead, it can easily run out. Especially when you support your family the other side of the atlantic. He doesn't have millions and btw, he doesn't have a 500K watch that's pure nonsense.

He didn't say he was broke, his main complaint was that he got left without fight for too long.

 

[GORO]

Francis have been KO opponent that try take his Watch

 

[Doughie99]

There is more reasons to steal a 20k$ watch than a 500K$ unsellable watch.
It's a pure vanity business anyway, the only reason to have a 500K$ watch is to show that you a have spent 500K$ on a watch. You get it stolen, insurances do their job, and you don't give a shit because you are a filthy rich asshole who didn't need that watch in the first place and will buy the next 500K$ watch to be made.


I think it is very plausible that he ran out of money. Purse+bonus was 310 000$ for the Jarzinho fight, which after all deductions comes down under 200K.
So 200K to last a year, it is still very comfortable, but if you expect to have a fight in the next 6months and it ends up taking a full year instead, it can easily run out. Especially when you support your family the other side of the atlantic. He doesn't have millions and btw, he doesn't have a 500K watch that's pure nonsense.

He didn't say he was broke, his main complaint was that he got left without fight for too long.

I respect your viewpoint.

Couple of items :
The Rozenstruik fight (in Florida May 9th 2020) (From the data that i've seen) he received total of U$320,000. Florida has zero state income tax, so federal tax calculations for a single man with no dependents gives his net income from that one fight should be : US$223,000
PLUS : I would find it surprising if Ngannou didn't also have income from personal sponsorships, appearance money, that kind of thing. I am quite sure he has other income on top of fight money. For eg he DID do those TV commercials for a car dealership. So It's highly likely that his gross annual income for 2020 was far higher than the US$320,000 from the Rozenstruik fight.

Also, you can massively reduce your taxable amount if you setup an LLC Corporation and have training expenses, physiotherapists, nutrition cost, specialist treatments, transport to your "work" all written off as a tax-deductible item by your tax accountant. Mr Ngannou SHOULD be doing this. Whether he is or not, I do not know.

His income for the 2nd Miocic fight was FAR higher than the Rozenstruik fight and the data I'm seeing is US$580,000.

The watch thing: well someone posted a photo of THAT exact watch a Richard Mille RM11-02 Automatic Flyback Chronograph *on his wrist*. And I checked and the price I found was close enough to the stated $459,000 price --- I found US$504,000 price for that online. So he WAS wearing it. Draw your own conclusions. I guess it's possible he rented it, or was loaned it, don't know.

 

[NoSmilez]

Shouldn't he be doing technical training though.. his window of prime could be closing relatively soon at age 35.

Bigger guys usually have a lower ceiling for technical ability. Of course there are outliers but I am talking about bigger guys. Technical improvement for Francis like getting him to throw low kicks and trying a half assed high kick in a fight or learning how to sprawl in a fight. HWs don't really get much better with skill in time. It's about just remembering it and doing the basic movements. Of course there are different technical ceilings for each fighter. Why do you suggest Francis work on against his next opponent?

I am not sure it's because bigger guys don't burn themselves out faster or level of comp is lower. Bigger guys usually can fight till they are older.