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[WoozyFailGuy]

Also dude, you took the "20x" statement WAY too literal. It was meant to be exaggerated hyperbole. 10x would probably be closer to the reality.

In his last UFC fight, the UFC again paid Francis 600k. Meanwhile, Kambosos was paid 5 million to fight Lomachenko. Kambosos was paid 8.3x what Francis was paid in his final UFC fight, despite Francis being many, many, many times more famous than George is.

Again, the discussion was not whether George Kambosos was less well known than Francis. The discussion was no-name boxers getting 20x, or your revised 10x what Francis was offered, not what he was paid in his last fight. You specifically said offered.
Francis was offered $8 million flat for the Jones fight + PPV, along with two more fights which would come out to at least $10 million for the Jones fight alone, again this is documented out of Francis' own mouth.
No no name boxer is being paid $80-$100 million. Francis' last fight that he was paid $600k for was the last fight on his pre-fight contract. That's why they had the months long contract negotiation and stuff, it was a big thing here.
No one is going to bat for the UFC here, I am only pointing out questionable statements and childish exaggerations, which is why I assumed you're a zoomer. People like you act as if boxing is this safe haven for athletes and that they haven't been getting fucked for a century while the UFC is a cartel run street beefz lol
It's one thing to want something better in the sport, it's another thing to be deluded.

 

[JKS]

Ngannou said it on Rogans podcast I believe it was.

Come on my friend! You know now that Francis never said that, perhaps you heard wrong.

There is a video here with Francis clearly saying he was getting about 8 million for the Jones fight. You can't really debate that.

 

[VAfan]

'Fox (anything else)' - can safely ignore.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Ngannou said it on Rogans podcast I believe it was.

Come on my friend! You know now that Francis never said that, perhaps you heard wrong.

There is a video here with Francis clearly saying he was getting about 8 million for the Jones fight. You can't really debate that.

January 17, 2023 MMA Hour, timestamped at 13:17.

Ariel: "What I hear is that Brock made around $8 million for [UFC] 200, is it above that or less than that?"
Francis: "For the Jon Jones fight, around that."

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

Manlets seething

 

[Tyler Durden]

They offered to pay Francis well, he wanted more. UFC said no deal.

Once again, Dana was right (even though no one will admit it)

 

[Tyler Durden]

Now he gets to be Saudi Arabia's bitch and get KO'ed, big upgrade

Are we finally allowed to bring up the fact that Dana runs an MMA organization and that's not the sport Francis even fights in.

 

[Tyler Durden]

No it wasn't but I'm certainly not going to track it down.

You'll spend 2 hrs on this web page talking to strangers but won't put the effort to pull up receipts to support your claim?

 

[StonedLemur]

You'll spend 2 hrs on this web page talking to strangers but won't put the effort to pull up receipts to support your claim?

I said where it was, am I supposed to hold grown mens hands ffs?

 

[Doughie99]

Christ he was Fat back then.......

 

[Crash-override]

I'm 32 buddy. Anyway - again Barboza was not a world champion.

"Hypothetical strawman fallacy"??? Huh?? How can I strawman my OWN position? A completely incoherent sentence. Unless you're just trying to troll.

Paid vs offered are two entirely different things. The reality is that the UFC was paying their heavyweight champion pennies compared to the revenue he brought in. He was paid 600k to dethrone Stipe. Meanwhile, undercard non-world champion no-name boxers like Arnold Barboza Jr. are getting fight purses in his same range. That is fucking criminal.

Also dude, you took the "20x" statement WAY too literal. It was meant to be exaggerated hyperbole. 10x would probably be closer to the reality.

In his last UFC fight, the UFC again paid Francis 600k. Meanwhile, Kambosos was paid 5 million to fight Lomachenko. Kambosos was paid 8.3x what Francis was paid in his final UFC fight, despite Francis being many, many, many times more famous than George is.

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Again, this is fucking criminal. In his first boxing match, Francis was paid 10 million. That's 16.6x what he got in his final UFC fight.

You can't just stand on the hill of what was reportedly offered to Francis. The reality that actually came into existence, is that Francis' biggest ever fight purse from the UFC was 600k. They were paying their heavyweight champion of the world six fucking figures! And they pay all of their champions like that. Francis wasn't a one-off anomaly. All of the UFC champs get paid like that. Yes, at least champions get PPV points to make up for it, but we don't know the details of how that works in the UFC and I'm willing to bet the PPV revenue split is dogshit compared to what top boxers get.

In the case of Demetrious Johnson, arguably the best fucking MMA fighter of all time, they wouldn't even give him PPV points!!! Criminal, criminal, criminal, disgusting criminal scumfuck behavior dude. Imagine becoming a world champion fighter, having an all-time record setting run that gets the fight world talking about you as the possible greatest ever, and you don't even get PPV points and they pay you a $350k fight purse I don't even know how DJ keeps such a positive and healthy mindset about his UFC tenure and in general. I would be so god damn jaded and hateful for the world if I went through what DJ did.


Actually, a TON of people on this forum do argue against it.

Great, then we're 100% in agreement on all of this stuff. If you recognize the greed of the UFC, and you recognize that they're underpaying their fighters, then why are you going to bat for them in this thread? That's where this whole exchange started - with me replying to you going to bat for the UFC over fighter pay.

Sweet, you were able to find at least one example to answer my question - a fading former heavyweight world champion with decades at the top of the sport, is getting paid what literal no-name undercard boxers are getting paid. Meanwhile in boxing, fading former heavyweight world champions still get paid millions of dollars.

We've all seen and/or heard about the numbers re: the revenue split in boxing and the UFC. It isn't even arguable that boxing pays fighters much more of the revenue that they generate.

Francis wasn't a huge name he was building his name. As he built his name he was paid more.

Lomacheko and his opponents get paid well because people pay to see them. They are the brand niot fighting for a brand "ufc:.

Francis was being paid accordingly for the eyes he was bringing to the company at the time.

He only blew up in popularity after the close fury fight, and now his worth has diminished extremely since he was blown away by Joshua.

He made good momey his last 2 boxing matches. A real great one vs aj but that wo t ever be the same again.

He didn't deserve 5 million to fight stipe for example.

To be truthful other thank 4-5 people that are outliers most people watch the ufc not a individual fighter.


Unless you're a conor,brock,Ronda and to a lesser extent gsp & Anderson it's always been the brand and stacked cards thst seel the ppvs.

So a guy making 600-800k a fight for not really bringing in more ppvs or a higher gate is making great money.

You'll probably try and argue because you seem like a contentious person. But what I've stated is the reality of the situation

 

[Crash-override]

I said where it was, am I supposed to hold grown mens hands ffs?

Bro, that other guy time stayed the mma hour where he broke it down and you were totally wrong

 

[blackheart]

Francis wasn't a huge name he was building his name. As he built his name he was paid more.

Francis' name is as big or bigger than every boxer I mentioned. All you have to do is plug Francis' name into Google trends and then add one of the boxers I mentioned. And no, he wasn't paid more as he built his name. His final fight purse from the UFC was 600k. That's pennies compared to the revenue that he generated.

Lomacheko and his opponents get paid well because people pay to see them. They are the brand niot fighting for a brand "ufc:.

OH REALLY DUDE????

Disappointing PPV Numbers From Vasyl Lomachenko Fight Reportedly Leaves George Kambosos Jr. With Financial Troubles

Apart from the loss, George Kambosos Jr. seems to have suffered a huge financial loss, as the New York-based boxing matchmaker reveals.

www.essentiallysports.com

According to the latest tweet from the New York-based matchmaker, Rick Glaser, barely 14,000 PPV were sold during the Lomachenko-Kambosos Jr. title clash.

Yet AMAZINGLY, somehow, Lomachenko was paid $5,000,000 for 14,000 PPV buys. But Francis was paid 600k to headline a card that did 500,000 PPV buys in the Stipe rematch.

What number is bigger, 14,000 or 500,000??? Lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see them?!?! HURRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRR

Francis was being paid accordingly for the eyes he was bringing to the company at the time.

No, he wasn't - as I just demonstrated in crystal clear black and white math.

He only blew up in popularity after the close fury fight, and now his worth has diminished extremely since he was blown away by Joshua.

That added to his popularity, but that is not when he "blew up". Have you only been watching fights for a couple of years??? The Ngannou-Fury fight didn't even sell very well, yet amazingly once again boxing was able to SOMEHOW pay Francis $10,000,000. Amazing how that works isn't it?

He made good momey his last 2 boxing matches. A real great one vs aj but that wo t ever be the same again.

Neither the Fury fight or the AJ fight sold nearly as well as Francis' best PPVs in the UFC. You don't seem to care a whole lot about the cold hard facts and math when it comes to this issue.

He didn't deserve 5 million to fight stipe for example.

Uh yeah, he absolutely did. Stipe-Francis 2 did 500k buys. That's many more buys than AJ-Ngannou or Fury-Ngannou. Do you live in upside down world where you think you should get paid less, the more PPVs you sell?

To be truthful other thank 4-5 people that are outliers most people watch the ufc not a individual fighter.


Unless you're a conor,brock,Ronda and to a lesser extent gsp & Anderson it's always been the brand and stacked cards thst seel the ppvs.

So a guy making 600-800k a fight for not really bringing in more ppvs or a higher gate is making great money.

You'll probably try and argue because you seem like a contentious person. But what I've stated is the reality of the situation

Wrong - you didn't cite any facts in your entire post. I'm the one that came with the receipts.

"lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see him" - WRONG - Lomachenko sells far less PPVs than Francis did in the UFC
"he didn't deserve 5 million for the Stipe fight" - WRONG - the Stipe rematch sold many more PPVs than Francis' boxing matches. It sold many more PPVs than most of the boxers I've mentioned itt.

You can keep going off of vibes and feels, I'm going to stick to the facts of the matter. You're twisting yourself into mental gymnastics but unfortunately none of the facts are on your side. Francis sold more PPVs in the UFC than his boxing matches. The simple fact of the matter is that boxing pays a way higher percentage of the total revenue to the boxers, than the UFC does. As long as you refuse to just acknowledge that reality - which is confirmed and not arguable - you're going to keep looking really goofy when you say shit that is the opposite of reality.

 

[blackheart]

Again, the discussion was not whether George Kambosos was less well known than Francis. The discussion was no-name boxers getting 20x, or your revised 10x what Francis was offered, not what he was paid in his last fight. You specifically said offered.
Francis was offered $8 million flat for the Jones fight + PPV, along with two more fights which would come out to at least $10 million for the Jones fight alone, again this is documented out of Francis' own mouth.
No no name boxer is being paid $80-$100 million. Francis' last fight that he was paid $600k for was the last fight on his pre-fight contract. That's why they had the months long contract negotiation and stuff, it was a big thing here.
No one is going to bat for the UFC here, I am only pointing out questionable statements and childish exaggerations, which is why I assumed you're a zoomer. People like you act as if boxing is this safe haven for athletes and that they haven't been getting fucked for a century while the UFC is a cartel run street beefz lol
It's one thing to want something better in the sport, it's another thing to be deluded.

Francis was paid $600,000 in the Stipe rematch which did 500,000 PPV buys.

Lomachenko was just paid $5,000,000 for the Kambosos fight which did 14,000 PPV buys.

You can keep licking that UFC taint all you want dude. Those are the fucking facts. The UFC pays 13% of revenue to its fighters. Its shameful, exploitative, and should be criminal. You can keep clinging to the speculation and the "what if" of what Francis was "offered" but the reality is that none of that ever materialized. The UFC criminally underpaid Francis. The UFC criminally underpays all of their top talent.

$600,000 Francis purse for 500,000 buys in Stipe-Ngannou 2
$5,000,000 Lomachenko purse for 14,000 buys in Lomachenko-Kambosos

And yes - you ARE going to bat for the UFC. That's why you keep understating and downplaying how much Francis was underpaid by the UFC.

 

[Crash-override]

Francis' name is as big or bigger than every boxer I mentioned. All you have to do is plug Francis' name into Google trends and then add one of the boxers I mentioned. And no, he wasn't paid more as he built his name. His final fight purse from the UFC was 600k. That's pennies compared to the revenue that he generated.

OH REALLY DUDE????

Disappointing PPV Numbers From Vasyl Lomachenko Fight Reportedly Leaves George Kambosos Jr. With Financial Troubles

Apart from the loss, George Kambosos Jr. seems to have suffered a huge financial loss, as the New York-based boxing matchmaker reveals.

www.essentiallysports.com

Yet AMAZINGLY, somehow, Lomachenko was paid $5,000,000 for 14,000 PPV buys. But Francis was paid 600k to headline a card that did 500,000 PPV buys in the Stipe rematch.

What number is bigger, 14,000 or 500,000??? Lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see them?!?! HURRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRR

No, he wasn't - as I just demonstrated in crystal clear black and white math.

That added to his popularity, but that is not when he "blew up". Have you only been watching fights for a couple of years??? The Ngannou-Fury fight didn't even sell very well, yet amazingly once again boxing was able to SOMEHOW pay Francis $10,000,000. Amazing how that works isn't it?

Neither the Fury fight or the AJ fight sold nearly as well as Francis' best PPVs in the UFC. You don't seem to care a whole lot about the cold hard facts and math when it comes to this issue.

Uh yeah, he absolutely did. Stipe-Francis 2 did 500k buys. That's many more buys than AJ-Ngannou or Fury-Ngannou. Do you live in upside down world where you think you should get paid less, the more PPVs you sell?



Wrong - you didn't cite any facts in your entire post. I'm the one that came with the receipts.

"lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see him" - WRONG - Lomachenko sells far less PPVs than Francis did in the UFC
"he didn't deserve 5 million for the Stipe fight" - WRONG - the Stipe rematch sold many more PPVs than Francis' boxing matches. It sold many more PPVs than most of the boxers I've mentioned itt.

You can keep going off of vibes and feels, I'm going to stick to the facts of the matter. You're twisting yourself into mental gymnastics but unfortunately none of the facts are on your side. Francis sold more PPVs in the UFC than his boxing matches. The simple fact of the matter is that boxing pays a way higher percentage of the total revenue to the boxers, than the UFC does. As long as you refuse to just acknowledge that reality - which is confirmed and not arguable - you're going to keep looking really goofy when you say shit that is the opposite of reality.

You aren't contentious at all are you?

You're facts are b.s, how many of those 500k buys were to see Francis? I'm sure you have facts lmao

 

[blackheart]

You aren't contentious at all are you?

You're facts are b.s, how many of those 500k buys were to see Francis? I'm sure you have facts lmao

That's not how PPVs work. You're making up a bullshit goalpost. You think fucking Stipe was the A side in that fight? LOL

He headlined a card - the card sold 500k buys. He was paid 600k for headlining a 500k buy PPV. Lomachenko was paid $5,000,000 for 14,000 buys. These are facts.

It's plain and simple - boxing pays over 50% of its revenue to the fighters. Because the fighters are the primary party responsible for generating the revenue to begin with. Meanwhile, the UFC is confirmed to pay a disgusting 13% of their revenue to their fighters.

Why are you defending MMA fighters getting paid far less than what they deserve? They're putting their bodies and brains on the line for your entertainment and you actively despise them and spend time on the internet arguing for why they should be paid less than what they deserve. Its so fucking weird man.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

You can keep clinging to the speculation and the "what if" of what Francis was "offered" but the reality is that none of that ever materialized.

Yes, because Francis declined the offer. That's why it didn't materialize. Francis himself said it was more money than he ever thought he would make, but money wasn't his primary factor in his decision.
I'll just reiterate that your claim that any no name boxers are being offered 10x-20x what Francis was offered is a childish, moronic statement. Yes, I'm clinging to what you said, that's how a conversation is had.
Like most pornographic avatars, you are not a very good or smart poster. Enjoy yourself.

 

[Crash-override]

That's not how PPVs work. You're making up a bullshit goalpost. You think fucking Stipe was the A side in that fight? LOL

He headlined a card - the card sold 500k buys. He was paid 600k for headlining a 500k buy PPV. Lomachenko was paid $5,000,000 for 14,000 buys. These are facts.

It's plain and simple - boxing pays over 50% of its revenue to the fighters. Because the fighters are the primary party responsible for generating the revenue to begin with. Meanwhile, the UFC is confirmed to pay a disgusting 13% of their revenue to their fighters.

Why are you defending MMA fighters getting paid far less than what they deserve? They're putting their bodies and brains on the line for your entertainment and you actively despise them and spend time on the internet arguing for why they should be paid less than what they deserve. Its so fucking weird man.

So you think mma fighters are all owed 5 million?

And you literally repeated what I said after you said I was wrong

The boxers are the ones they are going to see in boxing events. not the organization "ufc" like In ufc events.. most fans wanna go see a ufc event not a Francis fight ect

Unless you transcend the organization example being the conors,brock,Ronda ect

Which Francis has never and will never be on those people's level, ever!

I'm not defending anything you seem to have a hard time realizing it's the ufc brand that makes the money in the model they use its not the same model boxing uses.


Ufc and wwe use a similar model which is nothing at all like boxing.

When Francis was in the ufc he wasn't worth 5 million til the end of his contract/ time with the company

 

[Crash-override]

Francis' name is as big or bigger than every boxer I mentioned. All you have to do is plug Francis' name into Google trends and then add one of the boxers I mentioned. And no, he wasn't paid more as he built his name. His final fight purse from the UFC was 600k. That's pennies compared to the revenue that he generated.

OH REALLY DUDE????

Disappointing PPV Numbers From Vasyl Lomachenko Fight Reportedly Leaves George Kambosos Jr. With Financial Troubles

Apart from the loss, George Kambosos Jr. seems to have suffered a huge financial loss, as the New York-based boxing matchmaker reveals.

www.essentiallysports.com

Yet AMAZINGLY, somehow, Lomachenko was paid $5,000,000 for 14,000 PPV buys. But Francis was paid 600k to headline a card that did 500,000 PPV buys in the Stipe rematch.

What number is bigger, 14,000 or 500,000??? Lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see them?!?! HURRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRR

No, he wasn't - as I just demonstrated in crystal clear black and white math.

That added to his popularity, but that is not when he "blew up". Have you only been watching fights for a couple of years??? The Ngannou-Fury fight didn't even sell very well, yet amazingly once again boxing was able to SOMEHOW pay Francis $10,000,000. Amazing how that works isn't it?

Neither the Fury fight or the AJ fight sold nearly as well as Francis' best PPVs in the UFC. You don't seem to care a whole lot about the cold hard facts and math when it comes to this issue.

Uh yeah, he absolutely did. Stipe-Francis 2 did 500k buys. That's many more buys than AJ-Ngannou or Fury-Ngannou. Do you live in upside down world where you think you should get paid less, the more PPVs you sell?



Wrong - you didn't cite any facts in your entire post. I'm the one that came with the receipts.

"lomachenko gets paid well because people pay to see him" - WRONG - Lomachenko sells far less PPVs than Francis did in the UFC
"he didn't deserve 5 million for the Stipe fight" - WRONG - the Stipe rematch sold many more PPVs than Francis' boxing matches. It sold many more PPVs than most of the boxers I've mentioned itt.

You can keep going off of vibes and feels, I'm going to stick to the facts of the matter. You're twisting yourself into mental gymnastics but unfortunately none of the facts are on your side. Francis sold more PPVs in the UFC than his boxing matches. The simple fact of the matter is that boxing pays a way higher percentage of the total revenue to the boxers, than the UFC does. As long as you refuse to just acknowledge that reality - which is confirmed and not arguable - you're going to keep looking really goofy when you say shit that is the opposite of reality.

You said it yourself... his ppvs with aj and fury didn't sell well!! Do you know why? Because he isn't a big name.

Thus not worth the ufc paying him 12 million a fight. The ufc and boxing run off totally different models that you seem to have a hard time comprehending.

He isnt a conor mcgregor where everyone knows who he is and doing 20 million dollar gates.

Francis was paid well when in the ufc for what he brought to the table.

The ufc name alone with a half decent card would almost pull 300-400k ppv everytime

The stipe ufc fight did 500k because its the ufc not because of Francis and you proved my point with your comments