Founding Fathers, they didn't know what they would not know

[IDGETKTFO]

If they knew, they would have put term limits on Judges, and congress.

 

[My Spot]

But they owned slaves!

 

[IDGETKTFO]

But they owned slaves!

You should move to another country, they never owned slaves.

 

[Sinister]

If they knew, they would have put term limits on Judges, and congress.

They didn't even give the SCOTUS the power of Judicial Reveliew.

That said they had mixed emotions about term limits. They viewed them as potentially undemocratic and vulnerable to corruption

 

[IDGETKTFO]

They didn't even give the SCOTUS the power of Judicial Reveliew.

That said they had mixed emotions about term limits. They viewed them as potentially undemocratic and vulnerable to corruption

In what universe is giving people in power term limits vulnerable to corruption? Was that opposite day?

 

[AngryWeasel]

You mean they could'nt travel and see the future ?

Quite an astute observation TS, impressive.

 

[AngryWeasel]

But what if the Aztecs could, see what would happen to them and came back with assault rifles ? Also a subject to ponder.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

such a good point, the obsession with the Constitution is a projection of American exceptionalism in general.

Nah. Having incredibly old documents that are considered infallible is very common. I don't see it as any different than people who think the details of the Bible can be applied to the modern world. The stakes are higher with the Constitution as that is actually used for high level decision making, but the mentality behind not wanting to change it is seen all over.

 

[ocfightfan]

 

[UberHere]

They’d make an amendment declaring there are 2 genders.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

But what if the Aztecs could, see what would happen to them and came back with assault rifles ? Also a subject to ponder.

You think they would have followed the Eygptians who ruled for over 3000 years. Who would have thunk having Kings was good for the longevity of a civilization.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You will need the full cohort of WR Constituitional scholars if you want some real answers.

(That’s me.)

 

[Blayt7hh]

“It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another... opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...”

Holy shit did he ever nail that one.

 

[Blayt7hh]

You think they would have followed the Eygptians who ruled for over 3000 years. Who would have thunk having Kings was good for the longevity of a civilization.

They were conquered numerous times and went through different dynasties.

Is your conclusion really that kings are better than free societies?

 

[ChrisBenoit]

Was everything supposed to stay the same for 250 years? If so we'd all still have slaves.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

They were conquered numerous times and went through different dynasties.

Is your conclusion really that kings are better than free societies?

Negative, just that they lasted 2920 years longer then the Aztec's.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Negative, just that they lasted 2920 years longer then the Aztec's.

Oh. Then I still don’t get it because the Aztecs were a monarchy also

 

[BAM]

Holy shit did he ever nail that one.

well, they were going up against the English imperialist monarchy. Divide and conquer was their thing. Benedict Arnold betrayed them in part due to his disillusionment caused by infighting.

He'd be a fool to miss it - it was right in his face.

 

[Sinister]

In what universe is giving people in power term limits vulnerable to corruption? Was that opposite day?

If you sont have to worry about getting elected you spend much less time doing partisan pandering, trying to raise money, etc. I mean it only takes about 5 seconds of thought. Also everyone was fine with Presidents not having term limits until FDR broke from courtesy standards, ran for a 3rd term and won. Then Republicans DEMANDED Presidential term limits saying pursuing more than 2 terms was sp unethical it should be legislated against.

They're not saying that right now.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

If you sont have to worry about getting elected you spend much less time doing partisan pandering, trying to raise money, etc. I mean it only takes about 5 seconds of thought. Also everyone was fine with Presidents not having term limits until FDR broke from courtesy standards, ran for a 3rd term and won. Then Republicans DEMANDED Presidential term limits saying pursuing more than 2 terms was sp unethical it should be legislated against.

They're not saying that right now.

How does that logic benefit the country by allowing people like Chuck Shumer to be in power for what 45 years now?