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[Sinister]

Please. Comparing political movements overreaching with their power, is not comparable to wife beating. In a democracy, the pendulum swings when one side overreaches. The left wants to put anti-religious shit in schools(and that's putting it mildly), so you're gonna eventually get a push back.

What would be nice, is if both sides dropped the politicization of schools, and focused on math and reading n' shit.

It's a viable comparison of the religious right, who always claim their goal is to oppress personal freedoms out of love. There is no monolithic Leftist entity trying "to put anti-religious sh*t in schools" so I dont even know what you're talking about with that.

It would be nice, except that the right has very specifically targeted schoolboards as a means of social engineering because they're easy to infiltrate. They arent shy about this. Just like they're not shy about the other agenda to dismantle public schooling via voucher programs which effectively funnel tax money into religious institutions and corporate entities.

Yeah school was never about only math and reading. We had Civics, Government, Marketing, Shop, Sex-Ed, so stop with the purity bullsh*t.

 

[HomeCheese]

Since I am a Libertarian and mostly live in Hawaii, I don't even like public education. I tried it for my oldest and he offered me $100 for every month he learned something. Just one thing. It is extremely bad.

That being said, I would be for a truly secular education. Unfortunately, some schools are pushing sexual identities, doctrine, and political beliefs along with social Marxism.

Also, what people don't realize, is the whole separation of church and state isn't in the constitution, Bill of Rights, or any of the formation documents, but rather a quote found in a personal letter from Thomas Jefferson.

What schools are pushing social marxism and how are they doing this?

 

[Sinister]

What schools are pushing social marxism and how are they doing this?

First I'd challenge to define "social Marxism" because that's a nonsense term right off the bat.

 

[nixkid]

This would seem to be a rather clear cut violation of the separation of Church and State. Not even a conservative SCOTUS will uphold this once challenged, and it will be challenged.

That isn't a given at all.

 

[filthybliss]

I would have agreed a few years ago. Not so now. Why do I suspect the same people upset about this are the same people who'd be upset at me for not wanting gay anal dildo porn in the kids library?

Nobody is saying that they should be banning bibles from school but mandating people to memorize stuff from a caveman religion is pretty weird.

 

[nixkid]

it's a reaction to this. are you surprised? both don't belong there, but one's a million times worse...

One thing doesn't exclude and the other does.

Unless the rainbow displays will somehow result in persecuting straight people. We know where promoting religion goes though. Religion by its nature involves exclusion because dogma is it's core feature.

 

[nostradumbass]

I at least applaud your honesty for admitting you want to follow the same model as Muslim-majority countries.


This is the most confused analogy I’ve seen in quite awhile, for a bunch of reasons. The fact that isn’t happening in any significant way, the books that are being banned are merely there in the library for someone to voluntarily choose to check out, and the fact that we specifically have a constitutional amendment to prevent things like that religious display being just 3 of those reasons.

But no, it’s not always libs that have an issue with this. There was a case awhile back in which a school had a class which covered various cultures, their respective religions, language, styles of writing, etc. I have no issue with religion being covered in that context (with other cultures and religions equally, in a specific elective class).

Problem was when they studied Muslim cultures, they had each student write in Arabic whats called the Shahada: “There is no other god but Allah.”
Now I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds like forcing a student to make a profession of faith, and that’s exactly how a Christian student and his family saw it.
So believe me, Christian righties get just as rustled when this is done to them by someone else as other people do when it’s done to them by Christian righties.

His analogy is closer than your example. This is simply in the rooms for someone to choose to pay attention to or not, whereas your example, as you said, is forcing them to make a profession of faith. This doesn't require any such profession of faith or any action or assignment.

Requiring them to put rules about their specific god up in all the classrooms doesn’t make them a religious institution?

Correct. It isn't "their specific God" and does not establish any state church of Louisiana, and certainly not the country. Texas has a 10 commandments monument in front of the capitol, and a homeless lawyer who had been disbarred and was living in a tent in Austin tried to sue to have it taken down, and the supreme court agreed with the lower courts that it was a passive display and is constitutional.

 

[Deorum]

Also, what people don't realize, is the whole separation of church and state isn't in the constitution, Bill of Rights, or any of the formation documents, but rather a quote found in a personal letter from Thomas Jefferson.

The literal phrase isn't there, but the 1A interpretation has always been crystal clear, both from the framers themselves and SCOTUS rulings thereafter. It sure as hell doesn't boil down to a singular Thomas Jefferson letter. James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights and worked overtime with a lot of cunning to push it through.

 

[HereticBD]

It's a viable comparison of the religious right, who always claim their goal is to oppress personal freedoms out of love. There is no monolithic Leftist entity trying "to put anti-religious sh*t in schools" so I dont even know what you're talking about with that.

It would be nice, except that the right has very specifically targeted schoolboards as a means of social engineering because they're easy to infiltrate. They arent shy about this. Just like they're not shy about the other agenda to dismantle public schooling via voucher programs which effectively funnel tax money into religious institutions and corporate entities.

Yeah school was never about only math and reading. We had Civics, Government, Marketing, Shop, Sex-Ed, so stop with the purity bullsh*t.

Hey man, if you want to completely ignore the hard left indoctrination in public schools that has been going on for quite a while now, that's fine. Just don't pretend to be shocked that there is an equal and possibly more powerful force that's currently countering it, and ask me to give a shit about you crying about it. You guys took your shot. Now you have to face the counter offensive. The left isn't entitled to win the culture wars, just because they believe they're "on the right side of history".

Notice the whole "DEI" shit is getting put out to pasture in business as well. Hold onto your butt. Might be loooong and painful future for you boys...

 

[DoctorTaco]

Aren’t the ten commandments technically Jewish scripture?

They’re both. Though the Jewish faith interprets them wildly different than Christians

Maybe if the Left hadn't gone so crazy with power, they wouldn't be clutching their pearls at the inevitable pendulum swing going on right now.

pendulum swing into something wildly unconstitutional. Forgive us for calling foul

 

[HereticBD]

pendulum swing into something wildly unconstitutional. Forgive us for calling foul

Oh', you're all about the constitution now? Cute.

 

[DoctorTaco]

It isn't "their specific God"

For the sake of context- which religious text does it come from? and what does that text say about polytheism?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Oh', you're all about the constitution now? Cute.

find any post where I appose the constitution

 

[fedorthegoat777]

First I'd challenge to define "social Marxism" because that's a nonsense term right off the bat.

Ok, fair enough.
A better term would be that our public institutions are pushing aspects of Marxism into the educational curriculum.

 

[Sinister]

Ok, fair enough.
A better term would be that our public institutions are pushing aspects of Marxism into the educational curriculum.

They're not, though

 

[HereticBD]

find any post where I appose the constitution

If you're one of the few lefties who doesn't want a certain constitutional right taken away, I apologize. However, you must admit that there are a whole bunch of lefties that will pull their hair out over this, who will also totally be on board with some "adjustments" to the sacred constitution when it's suits their fancy. I find it hard to sympathize with the Left when they bring use the "unconstitutional" argument, as they gleefully shit all over the amendments they don't like.

 

[The Diplomat]

Guys, c'mon.

Either get along or admit you're both stupid.

 

[ferrisjso]

They receive federal funding.

Lousiana follows Napoleonic Code not common law. Their legal system is very unique.

In any case when theres a clear constitutional infraction it requires a lawsuit in federal court to get that rectified. Theres no magic force stopping someone from doing something thats clearly not constitutional. They just can carry on until someone with standing sues them and courts put out an order to stop them.

 

[The Diplomat]

Lousiana follows Napoleonic Code not common law. Their legal system is very unique.

In any case when theres a clear constitutional infraction it requires a lawsuit in federal court to get that rectified. Theres no magic force stopping someone from doing something thats clearly not constitutional. They just can carry on until someone with standing sues them and courts put out an order to stop them.

Louisiana's state code follows French/Napoleanic law, that doesn't mean they don't receive funds from the US federal government. They're still a ratified state lol.

 

[Sinister]

Correct. It isn't "their specific God" and does not establish any state church of Louisiana, and certainly not the country. Texas has a 10 commandments monument in front of the capitol, and a homeless lawyer who had been disbarred and was living in a tent in Austin tried to sue to have it taken down, and the supreme court agreed with the lower courts that it was a passive display and is constitutional.

Weird flex but that second line very clearly establishes the notion that it's an edict of ONE very specific God. It definitely doesnt imply that it could be ANY God.