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I partially posted it because people rag on Coca for only complaining on this forum or whatever but he at least put out 40-50 muay thai videos.
 
Kanka said:
Pet U Thong has alot of potential to become internationally famous and if he does, you can't really say he is overhyped like Sittichai, Buakaw and Tenshin. But nobody is pushing that agenda...
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Where does it say fighting abroad? It says internationally famous. Because you guys seem butthurt that thais don't get international recognition. All i'm saying is alot of thais could be alot more famous than they are but you say you don't care about marketing, only the truth? The truth is lack marketing is what makes them not get the attention they deserve.
 
Kanka said:
It's a good video for sure but not every video is going to get viral. Not sure why it has so few views. I've found views to be a hit and miss thing when i had my own youtube acccount. You need a good thumbnail, a title that make people klick on the video, good key words etc for it to get featured in search results and related videos etc. I imagine it would get alot more exposure if those youtube muay thai guys uploaded it.
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needs more captions explaining everything
 
I would totally listen to a JT and Coca podcast, or read a website if they made one. I kind of want to see those liverkick articles Coca mentioned. The two of them are great and I enjoy thier threads.
 
AbeRudder said:
I partially posted it because people rag on Coca for only complaining on this forum or whatever but he at least put out 40-50 muay thai videos.
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Yeah good job by Coca. I guess him, Yodsanan, Snubsnoze etc always had their kickboxing vs muay thai elitism discussions but personally it's all the sarcasm in Jtrs post that i don't like.
 
Thycidides said:
I would totally listen to a JT and Coca podcast, or read a website if they made one. I kind of want to see those liverkick articles Coca mentioned. The two of them are great and I enjoy thier threads.
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They're mostly trash. Hell, I occasionally see my old posts on here that make me shake my head.
 
Kanka said:
I never mentioned fighting abroad until you did?

I should have predicted you putting words into my mouth again. Lmfao, always making up shit
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99.99999999% of Thais who are "internationally famous" fight internationally. And if Pet Utong was to ever hope to become even remotely as famous as the other guys you mentioned, sorry as I am to say it, he wouldn't do it fighting in the stadiums and would probably have to do kickboxing.

So yes I put words in your mouth by virtue of making far better sense of your post than it deserved.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
99.99999999% of Thais who are "internationally famous" fight internationally. And if Pet Utong was to ever hope to become even remotely as famous as the other guys you mentioned, sorry as I am to say it, he wouldn't do it fighting in the stadiums and would probably have to do kickboxing.

So yes I put words in your mouth by virtue of making far better sense of your post than it deserved.
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Lol.



So first you're butthurt because thais don't get a fair amount of attention in comparison to Takeru and Tenshin, then you say people should just appreciate him for fighting in stadiums, now you're saying it would be impossible for Pet U Thong to be as famous as the other guys i mentioned (i guess Saiyok, Buakaw, Sittichai?). So you're fucked either way, what are you even trying to accomplish?

I didn't suggest Pet U Thong should fight abroad because i'm fine with him figgting thais. I'm sure there are a handful of other people who appreciate Pet U Thong just for what he does, but if he wants more fame the marketing needs to be targeted to a wider audience, not only to gamblers. This can be done without fighting abroad, but if he wants even more fame then yes, fighting abroad in countries around the world is optimal. Not denying that at all, it's how the current promotional structure of kickfighting works.

Ultimately for people to appreciate nak muays just for what they are, the promotions need to market themselves towards an international audience too and not just towards gamlers. I think this is already happening with all these new promotions with online live streams,, more social media presence etc. Not there yet but going in that direction.
 
Some people will watch and retweet about every shitty combat sports events under the sun, except stadium muay thai. Must be all the amazing promotion they did, as apposed to those dumb stadium promoters who have know idea how to get their product out there.

 
Nah they're not dumb they just focus on a different audience which is fine, but the kind of publicity promotions get are a result of their marketing strategies. I don't really follow the japanese kickboxing scene but if they do get that much publicity i guess their target group is different and also bigger than from that of stadium promotions. Their (promoters and managers) product idea might not even be to put on the best fighters against each others but to create hyped "stars" that compete in fights that create intense emotions in their audience that consists mostly of casual fans. Obvously this doesn't appeal to everyone and certainly not for you and coca it seems. This is a common phenomenon in all businesses, not only the kickfighting world. For examole, I avoid McDonalds because i think it's shit, but billions of other people still enjoy it.
 
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Kanka said:
Nah they're not dumb they just focus on a different audience which is fine, but the kind of publicity promotions get are a result of their marketing strategies. I don't really follow the japanese kickboxing scene but if they do get that much publicity i guess their target group is different and also bigger than from that of stadium promotions. Their (promoters and managers) product idea might not even be to put on the best fighters against each others but to create hyped "stars" that compete in fights that create intense emotions in their audience that consists mostly of casual fans. Obvously this doesn't appeal to everyone and certainly not for you and coca it seems. This is a common phenomenon in all businesses, not only the kickfighting world. For examole, I avoid McDonalds because i think it's shit, but billions of other people still enjoy it.
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That wasn't even a kickboxing bout, it was a Lethwei bout in Japan. I can assure you the the target group of Lethwei events taking place anywhere, let alone in Japan, is not bigger or different than that of stadium promoters. There are no stars to build in Lethwei, there are no storylines, they aren't trying to build intense emotions, nothing. There is no marketing strategy to Lethwei events taking place in Japan and I'm certain that the event had zero promotional muscle behind it. It's just a random event which got picked up because all you need to do is hold a kickfighting event with nonthais and there are people like this who will tweet about it.

Events with nonthais in them get a leg up in "promotion" and "visibility" by default.
 
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Events and fights which feature exclusively thais on the other hand need to be avoided like the plague.

I'm sure that if you were to ask these people, or any journalists or fans, what they thought about muay thai, they'd say that they loved it and would happily watch it given the opportunity. Their twitter timelines and websites tell a very different story. They suggest something closer to a personal vendetta.
 
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I did not watch the video clips i'm talking from a general point of view and not necessarily "K-1 style kickboxing vs muay thai". I mean even in thailand Max get better TV ratings than stadium fights (many of them are not even televised) because again, their target audience is different.

Btw, looking at the retweet/like rate it looks like people did not care much about these fights? Not sure what those tweets are supposed to prove.
 
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