Forrest Griffin is criminally underrated

You seem to have a problem with facts.

Calm down, nobody said Forrest was bad. Just not that good. Shogun is arguably the #2 LHW GOAT.

Cheers.

Facts? Your opinion is not facts, buddy boy. Shogun is far from the second greatest LHW. He never even defended his title once.

I'll help you with some facts:

He's tied with Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, and Randy Couture in number of defenses of the LHW title: 0

Tito (5), Chuck (4), and Jones (10) all have multiple defenses. Machida has one - against Shogun. Shogun is behind all of these gentleman at the very least.

Facts!
 
Forrest/Tito 1 Is one of the greatest fights of all time.

So is Rampage and Forrest..
 
He's underrated but Shogun and Rampage were always way better except on those 2 nights obviously. You gotta give it to Forrest though, his heart reminds me of Bisping's heart, Both B level fighters but were able to achieve the ultimate. They both went through hell to get the belt which was their entire goal. Respect.

Definitely he was an overachiever. Looking back I am still shocked he managed to last 25 minutes with a prime RAMPAGE. Rampage was an absolute killer at that point. Forrest just had the fight of his life, even though I thought rampage had probably edged it out.
 
No need to.

You said no one is saying Forrest was elite. That's false.

I said no one is saying he is by the definition you’re using

Re-read. Then re-read again. Maybe ask a homie to explain the words to you.
Stop playing yourself.
 
Facts? Your opinion is not facts, buddy boy. Shogun is far from the second greatest LHW. He never even defended his title once.

I'll help you with some facts:

He's tied with Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans, and Randy Couture in number of defenses of the LHW title: 0

Tito (5), Chuck (4), and Jones (10) all have multiple defenses. Machida has one - against Shogun. Shogun is behind all of these gentleman at the very least.

Facts!

It's a fact he was injured. You're still in denial about it.

Why are you considering UFC accomplishments only? You are aware that Shogun was decorated, considered the best LHW and was a top P4P fighter before fighting in the UFC right?

Cherry picking much? lol
 
It's a fact he was injured. You're still in denial about it.

Why are you considering UFC accomplishments only? You are aware that Shogun was decorated, considered the best LHW and was a top P4P fighter before fighting in the UFC right?

Cherry picking much? lol

And griffins wife was in labor during second fight.

Excuses fly both ways
 
He was good, not great.
As for the Andy fans: he was on Xanax for the Andy fight. Look up the side effects and tell me he was 100% going into that fight.
 
Is that why Rampage freaked out a few days after the fight and went on a real mental Rampage? You're probably too young to remember, so never mind.

I was scratching my head at that post.

Rampage literally had a complete mental breakdown at the loss.
 
I think he's rated just about right. A guy who overachieved by hard work and heart, won some great fights, became champ, but was never truly one of the greats.

I consider myself a fan of his.
This.
 
Makes his debut against fucking Dan Severn at age 22.

Saves the UFC with the Bonnar fight

Submits prime Shogun and beats Rampage to win the title in one of the most tactical performances ever by a LHW.

Put everything on the line and fought prime Anderson when everyone was terrified of him. Takes balls

5 wins against 3 former UFC champs. Pure grit and determination, wasn't born as some super athlete, all hard work. Some of the best cardio in LHW history, underrated ground game, and just one of the most likable guys in MMA. Shame his injuries led to his retirement. I am glad the UFC gave him a job.

People forget the climate of the time too.

The UFC just bought Pride and Forrest beat two of its biggest stars upon introduction and became champion.
 
No, Shogun was not at the top of his game. He fought injured (had ACL surgery after the fight) and gassed inside 2 rounds (Shogun was known for having great cardio).

When Shogun was in better shape this happened:

LOL.

It was a good day Sherdog when Griffin submitted Shogun.

Thanks for being you.
 
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