Forrest Griffin is criminally underrated

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Lol regardless of anyone's opinion on Forrest, Shogun fans be coming out the woodwork in this thread. God forbid anyone say it but.... perhaps Shogun was overrated? In all seriousness, I love the dude's style and he beat some of the best in Pride. He really fell susceptible to injury in the UFC though and it damaged his career.

So I just went through all 60 posts, and I found 3 posters who would be considered "Shogun fans coming out of the woodwork" and 5 posters like you who are saying something along the lines of "LOL at all the Shogun posters coming out of the woodwork!"

In other words, the backlashers outnumber the nuthuggers.

So honest question for you: did you actually read the posts in this thread before coming to your conclusion? Or do you just assume that since it's transcendentally related to Shogun, surely there must be numerous nuthuggers?

 

[chinarice]

Makes his debut against fucking Dan Severn at age 22.

Saves the UFC with the Bonnar fight

Submits prime Shogun and beats Rampage to win the title in one of the most tactical performances ever by a LHW.

Put everything on the line and fought prime Anderson when everyone was terrified of him. Takes balls

5 wins against 3 former UFC champs. Pure grit and determination, wasn't born as some super athlete, all hard work. Some of the best cardio in LHW history, underrated ground game, and just one of the most likable guys in MMA. Shame his injuries led to his retirement. I am glad the UFC gave him a job.

Prime shogun..... Trololololololol

 

[2004 account]

This isn't getting destroyed?

The fact that you're giving Forrest great amounts of credit for winnning 2 rounds, which were far from one sided, and in which he never hurt Rashad proves how low your standards are for him.

The moment Rashad went for a takedown the fight was over.

Hahaha @ts
low standard tuf noob fan detected

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

He had some good wins somehow, but lets be honest, his skill level was very low. He had no athleticism, coordination or power.

 

[Mongoosemk12]

So I just went through all 60 posts, and I found 3 posters who would be considered "Shogun fans coming out of the woodwork" and 5 posters like you who are saying something along the lines of "LOL at all the Shogun posters coming out of the woodwork!"

In other words, the backlashers outnumber the nuthuggers.

So honest question for you: did you actually read the posts in this thread before coming to your conclusion? Or do you just assume that since it's transcendentally related to Shogun, surely there must be numerous nuthuggers?

Yes, yes I did. Obviously you define your own "Shogun fans", but it seemed like many were coming to his defense in obtuse ways. Again, I've got nothing against Shogun. I legitimately root for the guy most times. However, a lot of Sherdog (perhaps outside this thread) act like he was unbeatable in his prime and had zero flaws. Since coming to the UFC he has had a shit ton of issues. Especially since fighting Machida he has looked like a ghost of his former self.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Yes, yes I did. Obviously you define your own "Shogun fans", but it seemed like many were coming to his defense in obtuse ways. Again, I've got nothing against Shogun. I legitimately root for the guy most times. However, a lot of Sherdog (perhaps outside this thread) act like he was unbeatable in his prime and had zero flaws. Since coming to the UFC he has had a shit ton of issues. Especially since fighting Machida he has looked like a ghost of his former self.

Well, those 3 did have a dozen or two posts between them so it could have been volume, not individuals.

 

[BoxingFan653]

He's the most overrated. And fyi rampage threw the title fight so he could go to Hollywood. Watch the post fight, he didn't even care about the loss, every time Forrest threw anything rampage looked like he could've ended him. UFC got their Cinderella story and rampage went to Hollywood. Win/win. If ppl don't think this is possible, all I've gotta say is keep drinking the koolaid. UFC is just as corrupt as boxing deal with it

lol Rampage lost because he cant block a kick to save his life and forgot Forrest has some of the hardest low kicks I've seen.

 

[Blunted_Trauma]

He an all rounder with good stamina.

Not criminally underrated.

If it werent for TUF he wouldnt have gone as far as he did.

 

[Jopo]

I think he's rated just about right. A guy who overachieved by hard work and heart, won some great fights, became champ, but was never truly one of the greats.

I consider myself a fan of his.

He willed himself into a fighter with no real special talents. That's not a knock on him that's a compliment. He just worked hard and i'm sure he got paid like a demon. he squeaked by and got a belt, briefly.

I'm not a fan and I thought he lost vs page though. but if youre page and it's close vs forrest fucking griffen youve lost your edge.

my buddy's idiot 300 pound older brother (i'm talking 3 brain cells) met him in an elevator. I just loved the story of him whispering to forrest "youre a bad bad man" and forrest just said thank you.

 

[NILLI]

It is a small miracle Forrest won the title. He is funny guy but he is definitely not underrated. He was what he was.

 

[Raulx]

I always thought he was overrated, still do but none the less an average fighter who competed at the right time

 

[Mongoosemk12]

Well, those 3 did have a dozen or two posts between them so it could have been volume, not individuals.

To be fair I wasn't paying attention to the specific posters/screen names. Might just be a few goobers arguing among themselves lol. That IS typically the norm for the parts hahaha. I should probably pay more attention to that while reading. I usually go page by page though, I like to follow the whole discourse.

 

[mkt]

No.

About 95% of Forrest's career consisted in gatekeeping. He was never among the best in the division except for a very brief period of time. He was basicly only relevant in 3 fights: against Shogun, who was making his UFC debut and fought injured, against Rampage (very close fight) and against Rashad, who destroyed him.

Then he got destroyed by Anderson Silva (expected) and was never close to being a contender again. Fought Tito for the umpteenth time, got destroyed by Shogun in the rematch, beat an old Franklin and then reitred.

If anything Forrest is overrated around here because people pretend he was an elite fighter. He wasn't. He was a mid tier fighter who managed to get a couple of good wins. Elite fighters are time proven and for the large majority of his career, Forrest wasn't one of the best, nor even close to it.

He's basicly a one hit wonder.

Typical drivel from this sub-40 IQ Fedor fangirl. Run along now.

 

[Claude]

Typical drivel from this sub-40 IQ Fedor fangirl. Run along now.

Ouch.

 

[mkt]

I totally agree. I've heard every excuse imaginable for his wins over Shogun and Rampage, but the fact is he beat both and beat Rashad for 2 rounds like you mentioned.

The funny thing is the same people who say Forrest is overrated also say Rich Franklin is criminally underrated. In reality, they were pretty similar, as evidenced by their fight. Forrest was a bigger version of Rich and beat him.

No one is saying Forrest is some kind of GOAT, but he was a lot better than most people give him credit for.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

@Legendary , I'm going to ask a question. How can you possibly say he is 'underrated' - and how can others debate you and say that no, if anything he's 'overrated' - when no one has bothered to rate the fucking guy in the first place!!!! Not in this thread at least.

That's kinda like insisting someone is not a top 10 fighter... being unable to name more than 6 fighters who should be ranked higher....but then still insisting he isn't a top 10 fighter.

So I went and found a list. And I think this list has him about right, at #14.

• Below some fighters like Tito, Frank Shamrock, Vitor and Rashad (though that last one is debatable)
  
• Above some fighters like Lil Nog, Arona, Babalu and Mousasi.

I bet most everyone here agrees with where he is on that list, within a spot or three.

The rest of the list has problems (e.g. Jon Jones at #3) but I am specifically talking about where Griffin lives in this list.

TLDR: he's not underrated - he is rated exactly right. If you want to debate me, be specific. Thanks.

(insert mike drop here)

 

[usernamee]

He was a work horse.

 

[mkt]

lol Rampage lost because he cant block a kick to save his life and forgot Forrest has some of the hardest low kicks I've seen.

Rampage is generally overrated on here. I've even seen people claim he had some brief period where he might have been the LHW GOAT. In reality, he beat a 38-year old fading Chuck who threw a dumb combo and gave him a huge opening. Call it Chuck's hubris from beating so many grapplers that he thought he couldn't be touched...by a heavy handed striker who was almost 10 years younger. Then Rampage beat Hendo in a very competitive, 5-round fight. The same Hendo fought Anderson just months later and Anderson finished him in 2 rounds. After that, Forrest took Rampage's belt.

 

[Jopo]

Rampage is generally overrated on here. I've even seen people claim he had some brief period where he might have been the LHW GOAT. In reality, he beat a 38-year old fading Chuck who threw a dumb combo and gave him a huge opening. Call it Chuck's hubris from beating so many grapplers that he thought he couldn't be touched...by a heavy handed striker who was almost 10 years younger. Then Rampage beat Hendo in a very competitive, 5-round fight. The same Hendo fought Anderson just months later and Anderson finished him in 2 rounds. After that, Forrest took Rampage's belt.

Rampage and Chuck fought in their prime in pride first... and chuck was finished. If Rampage could have beaten prime Wand he would be known today as one of the tippy top best LHWs of all time.

 

[mkt]

Rampage and Chuck fought in their prime in pride first... and chuck was finished. If Rampage could have beaten prime Wand he would be known today as one of the tippy top best LHWs of all time.

He was a bad match-up for Chuck, but Wand and Shogun were bad match-ups for him...along with Forrest, Rashad, Jones and others in the UFC. The idea that he had some nearly unbeatable "prime" is a myth. He was a very good but flawed fighter in both Pride and the UFC.