Media Former UFC veteran says putting fighters first and paying them what they demand will ruin MMA (look at PFL and Francis)

SJP_SevenLaker said:
Anyone dumb enough to take you seriously should be trolled to the max.

Carry on.
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Why is being a laissez faire capitalist and a social Darwinist a troll?

I believe in complete market freedom with zero oversight and I believe those who are too weak to survive in such a system need to be eliminated naturally by such a system.

Well in general I believe that, on more nuanced topics, I might be okay with some regulations, such as police, but I even think privatized police forces would be better.
 
don't ask said:
lol I owe some other UFC shills an apology because they really weren't the dumbest shits falling off a cow's anus
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Adesanya vs Yoel was way worse than all the contender series fight in 2024.

Would you not agree?

Most HOF fights are not amongst the best vs the best.

It’s often based on particular style match ups and the aggression in the fight.

You have fun watching two high level kick boxers feinting at each other?
 
Its an oportunity not a career, nothing will change the fact fighter will get pay little so they are forced to play the marketing game to get paid better just like Conor, Paddy and many others have been doing, it's fair? No, does it work? Hell yeah.

Unless they are future champions they will have to play the marketing game to get paid more.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
i agree with him that it's the fighter's fault that their pay is shit. but it's their fault because they can't work together to make a union. too much brain damage floating around the fighters and too much idgaf floating around the people who surround them.
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Probably also the fact its an individual sport, they have that "everybody for themself" mentality and they will only work together if it benefits them directly.

Just look at this:

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The second they all got what they wanted each one of them vanished as fast as they arrived.
 
Lots of logical fallacy here.

Being a successful promotion is a combination of many factors; it's a complex business model. If it were true that paying fighters shit was the panacea to a successful MMA promotion, everyone would be doing it. The truth is that success and failure is far more complicated and involves a lot more.

The fact that they are successful and pay poorly does not mean they couldn't pay the fighters more and still be successful; it isn't the either/or situation it is being made out to be.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Pride also low balled fighters lol. Fighters made terrible pay in pride.
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Source that, cuz relative to the market, Pride fighters were some of the most well compensated fighters at the time.

koa pomaikai said:
Why is being a laissez faire capitalist and a social Darwinist a troll?
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Don't worry, I don't think you're a troll.

koa pomaikai said:
I believe in complete market freedom with zero oversight and I believe those who are too weak to survive in such a system need to be eliminated naturally by such a system.
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See that's not trolling, that's just the grade school mentality of your prototypical bootlicking corporate shill.

koa pomaikai said:
I even think privatized police forces would be better.
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And this is the thought pattern of an absolute psycho
 
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don't ask said:
lol I owe some other UFC shills an apology because they really weren't the dumbest shits falling off a cow's anus
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Doesn't mind watching low level talent, says Dana White fight contenders are more enjoyable than the champions. Dana couldn't create a more perfect UFC simp fan.

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Unlike boxers, there aren’t any MMA fighters big enough to draw their own PPV audience outside of the UFC, which why they aren’t paid as well as great boxers. McGregor has come the closest, but he had to do it outside of MMA by boxing Floyd Mayweather. The UFC is smart to do things their way.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
See that's not trolling, that's just the grade school mentality of your prototypical bootlicking corporate shill.


And this is the thought pattern of an absolute psycho
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Bootlicking what? There isn’t a single system in the world that implements capitalism without regulations and social Darwinism.

Singapore has the closest economy to a true free market but they are still too restrictive.

Also no country is willing to tolerate the brutality of removing all safety nets and welfare to ensure survival of the fittest in modern society, there is no system that does social Darwinism.

So what system am I exactly trying to bootlick? Our current systems all suck, way to paternalistic, it needs a cleansing.
 
koa pomaikai said:
Well I consider the term UFC veteran to mean an active fighter to have fought a lot like Miller, Cub etc.

He’s retired.
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Cub and miller are UFC veterans, too, and they'll still be UFC veterans in 20 years -- they won't be former UFC veterans when they retire lol.

I get what you're saying though and I'm just being a pedantic ass. Carry on.
 
This is why the ufc works. They literally exploit the least organized and educated athlete base in the world. They are proud They would fight for free. Mega rich people promote this idea and love it. Same people who say you put a 100 percent effort at a minimum wage job. I'll give minimum effort for minimum pay.
 
Ok..

You cant give the fighters all the money and whatever they want...thats a given..

But you sure as shit can do better then the UFCs model too..

It just takes more capital to do soo...and in this day and age thats not easy to do..

Ive flirted with the idea of opening promotions for MMA...Striking only and Grappling only promotions the problem being was always the initial startup is incredibly high for those sports( i still might at some point)

.theres a reason why Dana hung on the Fertiitas brothers nuts at the beginning because they had the bags from the casino to get things moving after Rorion was done selling BJJ to the north american masses...

Thats said...PFL has a chance to right their ship but its going to take more direction on their part right now they have too many segments to their business model ...

The money is there from celebrity backers of PFL but if they dont create their own piece of the market or have a clear picture of what they are in the MMa landscape... they will implode
 
koa pomaikai said:
Why is being a laissez faire capitalist and a social Darwinist a troll?

I believe in complete market freedom with zero oversight and I believe those who are too weak to survive in such a system need to be eliminated naturally by such a system.

Well in general I believe that, on more nuanced topics, I might be okay with some regulations, such as police, but I even think privatized police forces would be better.
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Sorry dude but anyone who believes in complete freedom with no oversight is a fucking retard
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Sorry dude but anyone who believes in complete freedom with no oversight is a fucking retard
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People who believe in no regulation very rarely believe we shouldn't also have a society where people aren't practically forced to work in order to survive, meaning the working class have no bargaining power, so you're damned for not choosing a "shit" job where you can be exploited so you can live, and damned for choosing it because you're a fool. Imagine thinking that a job should exist, but that the people doing it don't deserve to afford a life.

The idea that the almighty dollar will decide everything is exactly why regulation exists because of all the employees businesses would kill without a moments notice in order to deepen their own pockets. We know this because it's already happened in basically any industry that would allow it
 
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