Crime Former KGB Chief Claims Trump Recruited Under Codename 'Krasnov" in 1987

[Hog-train]

Lmao, that's so incredibly naive.

Almost every part of Putin's government is run by former KGB agents. Putin is former KGB.

Trump has a few meetings with Putin and he's acting like Ramsay Bolton just cut his dick off.

So what. That's years later. Any KGB programs in the immediate aftermath of 1991 was essentially over.

1. You're trying to connect real estate deals he had to Russian gangsters in 1984 to KGB spying. When there's no evidence of that. Just pure speculation and assumptions.

2. And also completely illogical to believe some spy connection to Trump still existed after the Soviet Union falling. All spy programs would have essentially stopped (for years at least.)

Simply put, all you have is pure speculation and zero actual evidence. I require evidence and something making logical sense to believe things.

His recent heel turn against Ukraine is motivated by financial benefit in some way - the minerals deal. (to himself or his allies/those who gave him campaign finance donations.)

There's a difference between that and "he's been compromised by Russia's spy apparatus."

 

[Andy Capp]

Did you miss the part where I said repeatedly that he did business deals, not just with Russian spies, but Russian gangsters? And it wasn't just a one off, but over 1000 times since the 1980s?

Are you unaware are the close relations between the Russian intelligence services and Russian criminal organizations? They're practically the same.

I'm not making any tenuous connections. We know Trump's businesses have dealt with Russian criminals for over 40 years. We know Russian criminal enterprises have been operating out of his properties and multiple properties have been seized over the decades. We know after his business dealings with Bogatin he went to Moscow during the height of the cold war.

I never claimed he was some Manchurian candidate, just a stupid mark that the Russians influenced for their own gain that ended up paying off big time. I'm not sure how Trump doing business with known Russian gangsters for decades is somehow reasonable to you.

Indeed, if you throw enough eggs in enough baskets some of them will hatch. Ever heard of Kim Philby? Since the cold war (likely long before that) the Russians have never stopped putting resources into that kind of activity.

 

[Andy Capp]

Every country in the world has spies. Every developed country is terrified of falling behind on the world's stage and attempts to gain information from any and all. Once again, when Russia can't handle a small country sharing a border. With all their espionage, military, intelligence, etc might. Im very dubious of their ability to threaten us or our way of life. Or even being able to apply any information gained. Gotta show me before I start believing. And your totally right, forcing children as early as kindergarten into thinking that nuclear war is liable to start at any moment and requires bomb drills definitely isn't fear based conditioning. Simply strengthening the American morale is all.

Their ability to damage your way of life stems from sowing discord and division through influence campaigns and paid agents. They have already damaged it in profound ways. Regarding the latter, it's only right wingers of the War Room that have been claiming standing up to Russia seems likely to result in nukes and WW3.

I may be missing context but I don't understand that last sentence. Is it sarcasm?

 

[Andy Capp]

So what. That's years later. Any KGB programs in the immediate aftermath of 1991 was essentially over.

1. You're trying to connect real estate deals he had to Russian gangsters in 1984 to KGB spying. When there's no evidence of that. Just pure speculation and assumptions.

2. And also completely illogical to believe some spy connection to Trump still existed after the Soviet Union falling. All spy programs would have essentially stopped (for years at least.)

Simply put, all you have is pure speculation and zero actual evidence. I require evidence and something making logical sense to believe things.

His recent heel turn against Ukraine is motivated by financial benefit in some way - the minerals deal. (to himself or his allies/those who gave him campaign finance donations.)

There's a difference between that and "he's been compromised by Russia's spy apparatus."

Why would you think it's over when Putin was KGB at that time?

 

[evergreenrider]

Their ability to damage your way of life stems from sowing discord and division through influence campaigns and paid agents. They have already damaged it in profound ways. Regarding the latter, it's only right wingers of the War Room that have been claiming standing up to Russia seems likely to result in nukes and WW3.

I may be missing context but I don't understand that last sentence. Is it sarcasm?

Sarcasm yes. He stated we, US citizens, aren't subject to fear based conditioning.

 

[gentel]

The cool thing about liberal conspiracy theories is they are based on totally reasonable ideas like:

• Russian/Soviet spy agencies target important Americans in politics and business and try to build relationships and leverage with them
• Trump's repeated trips to Russia (pre-presidency), refusal to say anything negative about Putin or Russia despite extremely aggressive criticism of other countries, private phone calls with Putin, Ukraine stance, and aggression against NATO countries all indicate Russian ties/leverage

 

[Andy Capp]

It's hard to tell all the leftoid retards apart. You morons come out of a fucking cookie cutter.

So, unlike them you're a special kind of retard, got it.

 

[Rob Battisti]

This part

Isn’t true.
Mueller found plenty of links between the two. What he couldn’t prove is that the Trump campaign actively planned with Russia to do illegal acts, as opposed to merely being in communication with Russia about Russia doing illegal acts, and then being the beneficiary of those acts.

This comes off as a bit of “it’s still real to me, damn it!”

 

[gentel]

So what. That's years later. Any KGB programs in the immediate aftermath of 1991 was essentially over.

2. And also completely illogical to believe some spy connection to Trump still existed after the Soviet Union falling. All spy programs would have essentially stopped (for years at least.)

Wait, so you think the USSR collapsed and then everyone at the KGB was like "pack it up guys, we had a good run" and then burned all their intel docs and retired to never work in intel again?

The KGB became the FSB, with the intel carrying over and lots of the same people. Maybe some agents and files held in their non-Russian member republics got lost, but Russia was the leader of the USSR and existed both before and after the USSR fell. When your empire's falling, a secret intel service is one of the easiest and most pragmatic things to keep around

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I see people still don’t understand Uranium One either.
Only Obama (POTUS) could go forward with or nix the deal. I don’t think Hillary even signed off in it IIRC, it was the Deputy Sec of State.

And you are pretending you don't know how business is done in Washington.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Source? Why didn't Trump prosecute her for bribery?

Google.com

 

[calavera2]

Wait, so you think the USSR collapsed and then everyone at the KGB was like "pack it up guys, we had a good run" and then burned all their intel docs and retired to never work in intel again?

The KGB became the FSB, with the intel carrying over and lots of the same people. Maybe some agents and files held in their non-Russian member republics got lost, but Russia was the leader of the USSR and existed both before and after the USSR fell. When your empire's falling, a secret intel service is one of the easiest and most pragmatic things to keep around

@Hog-train is a dumb fuck Russian shill...bout sums it up

 

[Hog-train]

Wait, so you think the USSR collapsed and then everyone at the KGB was like "pack it up guys, we had a good run" and then burned all their intel docs and retired to never work in intel again?

The KGB became the FSB, with the intel carrying over and lots of the same people. Maybe some agents and files held in their non-Russian member republics got lost, but Russia was the leader of the USSR and existed both before and after the USSR fell. When your empire's falling, a secret intel service is one of the easiest and most pragmatic things to keep around

Why do I keep having to repeat myself.

First of all, Trump doing real estate sales to Russian gangsters in 1984 does not mean he's compromised by their spies. Literally zero evidence this occurred.

People are just making a completely speculative connection - "He sold apartments in Trump Tower to a Russian mobster so he must be compromised by the KGB!"

And secondly, if there were any tenuous connection where the KGB was trying to get close to American businessmen like Trump, that would have at least for a few years been put on pause. About zero chance Russian agents were operating heavily in the US right after the Soviet Union fell.

@Hog-train is a dumb fuck Russian shill...bout sums it up

Learn how to spell shill.

 

[Andy Capp]

This comes off as a bit of “it’s still real to me, damn it!”

Really? The only reason Mueller didn't bring charges, according to him, is he thought it was outside the scope of his assignment.

Funny this should come up now too. Lt. Col. Vindman (testified at one of Trump's impeachments) was on a CBC radio program this morning. Let me know if you want a link to the interview.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Really? The only reason Mueller didn't bring charges, according to him, is he thought it was outside the scope of his assignment.

Funny this should come up now too. Lt. Col. Vindman (testified at one of Trump's impeachments) was on a CBC radio program this morning. Let me know if you want a link to the interview.

That’s okay. The idea that he’s a Russian agent is absurd. Feel free for anyone to cling to the idea though.

 

[Crazy Source]

That’s okay. The idea that he’s a Russian agent is absurd. Feel free for anyone to cling to the idea though.

It doesn't matter that he is an official compromised agent or not. Trump is slurping Putin's cock for the world to see. It's disgusting.

 

[Andy Capp]

That’s okay. The idea that he’s a Russian agent is absurd. Feel free for anyone to cling to the idea though.

What's ok?

Whether it's because he feels it benefits him personally, or if he's compromised by shit he did on his many visits to Russia and to Epstein's house, or any other incident, or if he's just easily lead by the nose by Putin because he's dumb and greedy, his actions appear to be dictated by the Kremlin because everything he's doing benefits Putin. I challenge you to demonstrate otherwise.

Also, I note that you substituted agent for asset. Do you think people don't notice this disingenuous bullshit? Get bent.

 

[BFoe]

This comes off as a bit of “it’s still real to me, damn it!”

Here is what’s real:

• Russia had a massive disinfo campaign in the 2016 election, and hacked the DNC.
• The Trump campaign knew about these things (at least the hack if nothing else), because they were in communication with Russia about these illegal activities.
• The FBI had warned the Trump campaign about Russia, and asked to let them know if they were approached by Russia. Trump campaign was approached, but did not let FBI know, because they were benefiting from these illegal activities.
• When Mueller investigated the above, Trump obstructed the investigation repeatedly.

All of those things are facts. Trump’s AG and outlets like FOX did such a hit job that I’d bet the majority of Americans believe that whole thing turned out to be some hoax—that’s the vibe I get anyway—when nothing of the sort happened.

 

[Crazy Source]

Here is what’s real:

• Russia had a massive disinfo campaign in the 2016 election, and hacked the DNC.
• The Trump campaign knew about these things (at least the hack if nothing else), because they were in communication with Russia about these illegal activities.
• The FBI had warned the Trump campaign about Russia, and asked to let them know if they were approached by Russia. Trump campaign was approached, but did not let FBI know, because they were benefiting from these illegal activities.
• When Mueller investigated the above, Trump obstructed the investigation repeatedly.

All of those things are facts. Trump’s AG and outlets like FOX did such a hit job that I’d bet the majority of Americans believe that whole thing turned out to be some hoax—that’s the vibe I get anyway—when nothing of the sort happened.

In vain, brother. They will not and cannot accept they have been bamboozled.

 

[PBAC]

This 100 percent sounds like Russian disinformation. Problem is Trump is the only one you'd 100 percent believe did this.