Florida stopped doing background checks for conceal carry permits for a year.

[Neph]

If you want to show any meaningful data, you're going to have to show a two way study that shows more guns is the cause of more crime. Other than that, you're kind of just a dipshit looking to strip people of their rights.

I've already done that and you and I had the discussion. You dismissed studies, including ones out of the Ivy League, as you did not believe that econometrics are accurate.

Essentially you dick tucked in the face of the highest form of evidence and showed your true colours: you won't accept anything against your argument.

 

[Greoric]

I've already done that and you and I had the discussion. You dismissed studies, including ones out of the Ivy League, as you did not believe that econometrics are accurate.

Essentially you dick tucked in the face of the highest form of evidence and showed your true colours: you won't accept anything against your argument.

No. Review the literature that you provided.

 

[Greoric]

@Neph As it stands currently there's conflicting literature on the corollary relation of guns and crime, albeit with more pieces of literature supporting a potential for more correlation (the plurality of anecdotes are proof perhaps?). There's no documented literature (nevermind peer-reviewed) doing a two way study on where there's any causal association. Making even the still rather large assumption there's a correlation we don't know if the crime creates the possession or the possession creates the crime.

You've arrived at the second with no evidence to support it, and you're willing to concentrate all the weapons in a few people's hands by way of locking people in cages and shooting them if they resist for non-compliance.

 

[Neph]

@Neph As it stands currently there's conflicting literature on the corollary relation of guns and crime, albeit with more pieces of literature supporting a potential for more correlation (the plurality of anecdotes are proof perhaps?). There's no documented literature (nevermind peer-reviewed) doing a two way study on where there's any causal association. Making even the still rather large assumption there's a correlation we don't know if the crime creates the possession or the possession creates the crime.

You've arrived at the second with no evidence to support it, and you're willing to concentrate all the weapons in a few people's hands because you're ideologically bound to a sociopathic principle.

Like I said we've already had this conversation; in my opinion it has already been shown that you are willing to obfuscate hard evidence against your position and redirect the conversation with a weak 'there's evidence on either side'. I will credit you for admitting that there is more on the side of correlation between gun ownership and control being a positive thing. Of course, the truth is the balance of evidence is utterly overwhelming.

 

[Neph]

@NephYou've arrived at the second with no evidence to support it, and you're willing to concentrate all the weapons in a few people's hands by way of locking people in cages and shooting them if they resist for non-compliance.

Find me saying this or retract this ridiculous comment.

 

[Greoric]

Like I said we've already had this conversation; in my opinion it has already been shown that you are willing to obfuscate hard evidence against your position and redirect the conversation with a weak 'there's evidence on either side'. I will credit you for admitting that there is more on the side of correlation between gun ownership and control being a positive thing. Of course, the truth is the balance of evidence is utterly overwhelming.

The balance of evidence is null though, right? All you're able to show is a preliminary correlation association between guns and crime. You don't document any support for the assertion that guns cause more crime. The standard of proof you should have before you advocate using the violence of the state to strip people's constitutionally protected rights, no?

 

[Greoric]

Find me saying this or retract this ridiculous comment.

Ok let's do it right now, do more guns cause more crime?

 

[Neph]

Ok let's do it right now, do more guns cause more crime?

I have stated countless times on this forum I am not advocating for the imposition of gun control on an unwilling population. It fails for the same reasons as prohibition fails.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Certainly no person has ever been turned down because of a background check.

Yes, that seems far fetched. Since law abiding people who know they can't pass don't apply and criminals just skip the application and carry anyway. It's all in the NRA literature.

 

[Greoric]

I have stated countless times on this forum I am not advocating for the imposition of gun control on an unwilling population. It fails for the same reasons as prohibition fails.

I stand corrected on one of my assumptions. Does your definition of unwilling population just mean a majority?

 

[Rhood]

 

[oldshadow]

being able to defend yourself with guns is great thing your country allows. But you dont think you can still get gun and defend yourself but pass background checks and maybe not make so easy to get gun?

We already have controls. I don't support universal background checks.

I support real time for that misuse guns criminally.

 

[Seaside]

We already have controls. I don't support universal background checks.

I support real time for that misuse guns criminally.

you are paranoid the government will come arrest you if you have universal background checks?

 

[Fedorable]

we don't have that nonsense in arizona.

 

[Fawlty]

This Putnam dude needs to be investigated on this. It stinks like fraud.

Also FloridaCartoonSaw.gif

 

[oldshadow]

you are paranoid the government will come arrest you if you have universal background checks?

The only way universal background checks work is to require all guns to be registered . I do not support a regerstery . That is the first step to gun confiscation.

 

[Seaside]

The only way universal background checks work is to require all guns to be registered . I do not support a regerstery . That is the first step to gun confiscation.

right.....................

 

[roofuststuntbum]

That's pretty sloppy on Florida's part.
As a gun owner myself with a concealed carry permit, i feel like the laws should be strict.
I also have never carried off my own property, i got the permits just because my friend wanted someone to take the class with.

However i have the weird ideology that if someone really wants a gun, they are gonna get it no matter what the law is.

 

[oldshadow]

right.....................

You mean they will never come for your guns, that same bull shit we always hear.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...nfiscation-law-set-to-go-into-effect-n2486582

 

[tonni]

Where's the threat to public safety? Do people that know they wouldn't pass a background check typically submit themselves to one?