Florida stopped doing background checks for conceal carry permits for a year.

[cincymma79]

That deaths one counts suicide which is hullshit because our suicide rate is lower than most of the countries on that list.

 

[oldshadow]

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses

Furthermore, economist Alex Tabarrok has noted an interesting issue of statistics in his blog post, “Defensive Gun Use and the Difficult Statistics of Rare Events“:

People answering surveys can be mistaken and some lie and the reasons go both ways. Some people might be unwilling to answer because a defensive gun use might have been illegal (Would these people refuse to answer?). On the other hand, mischievous responders might report a defensive gun use just because that makes them sound cool.

The deep problem, however, is not miscodings per se but that miscodings of rare events are likely to be asymmetric. Since defensive gun use is relatively uncommon under any reasonable scenario there are many more opportunities to miscode in a way that inflates defensive gun use than there are ways to miscode in a way that deflates defensive gun use...

The bottom line is that it’s good to know that the original Kleck and Gertz survey replicated — approximately 1% of adult Americans did report a defensive gun use in the 1990s — but the real issue is the interpretation of the survey and for that a replication doesn’t help.

US homicide rate vs Others homicide rate

United States: 5.35 / 100,000 (land of the free and brave where gun toting cowboys save lives every minute of every day according to Sherdog)
Iran: 2.47 / 100,000 (9/11 conspirators and 100% terrorists according to Sherdog) (116% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Iran)
Tajikistan: 1.61 / 100,000 (who the fuck is this according to Sherdog. Maybe they need more freedom if the country ends in 'stan' ) (232% more likely to be murdered in the US than Tajikistan)
France: 1.23 / 100,000 (terrorist nexus/mecca and second coming of Islamic hell according to Sherdog) (334% more likely to be murdered in the US than in France)
United Kingdom: 1.2 / 100,000 (4th world country aka cesspool of depravity according to Sherdog) (345% more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK)
Australia: 0.94 / 100,000 (freedomless, speechless convict colony according to Sherdog) (469% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Australia)
Germany: 0.88 / 100,000 (pansy leftists giving their country over to Islamic extremists, also consider copy/pasting France, according to Sherdog) (508% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Germany)

Their answer to the questions.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082

The cdc.

http://truthinmedia.com/unpublished-cdc-study-2-million-yearly-defensive-gun-uses/

Even then Clinton study admitted to over 1.5 million times a year a gun is used in self-defense.

 

[Deleted member 484047]

Well thats somewhat frightening.

 

[LMP]

Missouri no longer requires ccw to carry concealed. They are also talking about overturning previous convictions for those that only had concealed firearms.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Just more proof..
Laws are great, but when the government who is supposed to implement them are fucking morons...............

 

[Seaside]

what werid country

 

[MiniCraque]

video games

In b4 blacks.

 

[High Altitude]

Many states don’t even require permits to carry concealed anymore. It really makes no difference.

Among U.S. states, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,[disputed] Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia[51] and Wyoming (residents only) are fully unrestricted, and allow those who are not prohibited from owning a firearm to carry a concealed firearm in any place not deemed off-limits by law without a permit[\quote]

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Great point Greoric.

And the States that freely allow ccw without a permit haven't seen any ill effects. They still submitted photo id, finger prints and had to take a class. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these type of people aren't the ones to worry about. They still have to pass nics to buy a gun from a store.

Criminals and those looking to commit murder certainly don't care if they are breaking the law by illegally conceal carrying.

If you want to talk about gun violence and stats in general go bump one of the hundreds of other threads on that because this story is a non issue.

 

[Ghost in the Dark]

I see the gun crazies found the thread and are now saying it's really a good thing for meth heads, murderers, paranoid schizophrenics etc. to be walking around with loaded guns stuck in their belts.

 

[Seaside]

being able to defend yourself with guns is great thing your country allows. But you dont think you can still get gun and defend yourself but pass background checks and maybe not make so easy to get gun?

 

[Ghost in the Dark]

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses

Furthermore, economist Alex Tabarrok has noted an interesting issue of statistics in his blog post, “Defensive Gun Use and the Difficult Statistics of Rare Events“:

People answering surveys can be mistaken and some lie and the reasons go both ways. Some people might be unwilling to answer because a defensive gun use might have been illegal (Would these people refuse to answer?). On the other hand, mischievous responders might report a defensive gun use just because that makes them sound cool.

The deep problem, however, is not miscodings per se but that miscodings of rare events are likely to be asymmetric. Since defensive gun use is relatively uncommon under any reasonable scenario there are many more opportunities to miscode in a way that inflates defensive gun use than there are ways to miscode in a way that deflates defensive gun use...

The bottom line is that it’s good to know that the original Kleck and Gertz survey replicated — approximately 1% of adult Americans did report a defensive gun use in the 1990s — but the real issue is the interpretation of the survey and for that a replication doesn’t help.

US homicide rate vs Others homicide rate

United States: 5.35 / 100,000 (land of the free and brave where gun toting cowboys save lives every minute of every day according to Sherdog)
Iran: 2.47 / 100,000 (9/11 conspirators and 100% terrorists according to Sherdog) (116% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Iran)
Tajikistan: 1.61 / 100,000 (who the fuck is this according to Sherdog. Maybe they need more freedom if the country ends in 'stan' ) (232% more likely to be murdered in the US than Tajikistan)
France: 1.23 / 100,000 (terrorist nexus/mecca and second coming of Islamic hell according to Sherdog) (334% more likely to be murdered in the US than in France)
United Kingdom: 1.2 / 100,000 (4th world country aka cesspool of depravity according to Sherdog) (345% more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK)
Australia: 0.94 / 100,000 (freedomless, speechless convict colony according to Sherdog) (469% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Australia)
Germany: 0.88 / 100,000 (pansy leftists giving their country over to Islamic extremists, also consider copy/pasting France, according to Sherdog) (508% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Germany)

http://www.newsweek.com/pictures-co...ifles-renew-wedding-vows-controversial-825312

Hundreds of worshippers clutching AR-15 rifles and pistols packed into a church in Pennsylvania to have their weddings blessed and their weapons celebrated as life-saving "rods of iron."

The women wore white bridal gowns and the men wore dark suits as they gripped their unloaded weapons. Many wore crowns—some made of bullets—while church officials dressed in flowing bright pink and white garments.

A couple wearing crowns of bullets sit with their AR-15-style rifles at a blessing ceremony at the Sanctuary Church in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania.

A man wearing an NRA cap holds a pistol during a ceremony at the World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania.

People attend a blessing ceremony with their AR-15-style rifles in their cases at the Sanctuary Church in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania.

 

[Greoric]

Not trying to be mean, but this is the worst logic I've seen in a while. Why have background checks for anything then?

Why indeed.

 

[Ghost in the Dark]

That deaths one counts suicide which is hullshit because our suicide rate is lower than most of the countries on that list.

Ah, the good old 'people who commit suicide are not human' argument.

THE GUN GOD DEMANDS THE BLOOD OF THE UNRIGHTEOUS!

 

[cincymma79]

Ah, the good old 'people who commit suicide are not human' argument.

THE GUN GOD DEMANDS THE BLOOD OF THE UNRIGHTEOUS!

Ah the old fuck it if I’m wrong I like it so I’m gonna be a douche



We should ban vegans because peanuts kill kids

 

[Protectandserve]

Florida gonna Florida...

 

[Greoric]

Great point Greoric.

Let's cancel driving tests and background checks for people working with kids next. Reduce that oppressive government burden on people right. What could go wrong?

Not an argument… But since you enjoy that line of discourse. Your brain is dumb.... Your avatar is kind of fucking stupid as well.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

I see the gun crazies found the thread and are now saying it's really a good thing for meth heads, murderers, paranoid schizophrenics etc. to be walking around with loaded guns stuck in their belts.

Yes because a law stops murderers and meth heads from carrying a gun...

 

[Greoric]

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses

Furthermore, economist Alex Tabarrok has noted an interesting issue of statistics in his blog post, “Defensive Gun Use and the Difficult Statistics of Rare Events“:

People answering surveys can be mistaken and some lie and the reasons go both ways. Some people might be unwilling to answer because a defensive gun use might have been illegal (Would these people refuse to answer?). On the other hand, mischievous responders might report a defensive gun use just because that makes them sound cool.

The deep problem, however, is not miscodings per se but that miscodings of rare events are likely to be asymmetric. Since defensive gun use is relatively uncommon under any reasonable scenario there are many more opportunities to miscode in a way that inflates defensive gun use than there are ways to miscode in a way that deflates defensive gun use...

The bottom line is that it’s good to know that the original Kleck and Gertz survey replicated — approximately 1% of adult Americans did report a defensive gun use in the 1990s — but the real issue is the interpretation of the survey and for that a replication doesn’t help.

US homicide rate vs Others homicide rate

United States: 5.35 / 100,000 (land of the free and brave where gun toting cowboys save lives every minute of every day according to Sherdog)
Iran: 2.47 / 100,000 (9/11 conspirators and 100% terrorists according to Sherdog) (116% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Iran)
Tajikistan: 1.61 / 100,000 (who the fuck is this according to Sherdog. Maybe they need more freedom if the country ends in 'stan' ) (232% more likely to be murdered in the US than Tajikistan)
France: 1.23 / 100,000 (terrorist nexus/mecca and second coming of Islamic hell according to Sherdog) (334% more likely to be murdered in the US than in France)
United Kingdom: 1.2 / 100,000 (4th world country aka cesspool of depravity according to Sherdog) (345% more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK)
Australia: 0.94 / 100,000 (freedomless, speechless convict colony according to Sherdog) (469% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Australia)
Germany: 0.88 / 100,000 (pansy leftists giving their country over to Islamic extremists, also consider copy/pasting France, according to Sherdog) (508% more likely to be murdered in the US than in Germany)

If you want to show any meaningful data, you're going to have to show a two way study that shows more guns is the cause of more crime. Other than that, you're kind of just a dipshit looking to strip people of their rights.

 

[Greoric]

Yes because a law stops murderers and meth heads from carrying a gun...

@Ghost in the Dark is a confirmed psychopath. I diagnosed him.