Media First time i see George Saint Pierre vs Matt Serra 1. Damn, prime GSP was three time the size.

Alphakennybody20 said:
9 years missing on accident or no?

29 was a dq on a ko but cool

so 10 years missing on accident or no?
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He lost in 2003 and 2004.

He was born in 1975.

He lost at 28 and 29 years old.

The DQ loss occurred in 2006 and he was 30-31 years old.
 
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chinarice said:
GSP was considered the GOAT upon winning the WW title?

I must have missed this year that never happened.

He 100% was not considered the GOAT just because he beat Matt Hughes... I remember Sherdog quite well from that time.... No mention of him being GOAT until he got close to Hughes' title defenses.
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You're clinging onto him saying GOAT and emphasizing it so much because you don't really have an argument. You later talked about moving the goal posts, and that's exactly what you did.

No, GSP wasn't considered the GOAT then. He was the #1 WW and was one fight removed from beating the WW GOAT. He was 1-2 in title fights at that point in his career .

Silva was relatively new to the MW division and working his way up in a Japanese organization known for fixing fights, and lost to two Japanese fighters. The point he was making is that Silva had not established himself in the division yet, but GSP had. You're trying to suggest it was Silva's prime, and he's saying that Silva's prime came later in his career than GSP's, which is blatantly obvious. GSP started younger and retired earlier than Silva. Suggesting that Silva's prime was before his record setting and breaking win streak is a very weak argument. You know that.
 
Fioretti said:
You're clinging onto him saying GOAT and emphasizing it so much because you don't really have an argument. You later talked about moving the goal posts, and that's exactly what you did.

No, GSP wasn't considered the GOAT then. He was the #1 WW and was one fight removed from beating the WW GOAT. He was 1-2 in title fights at that point in his career .

Silva was relatively new to the MW division and working his way up in a Japanese organization known for fixing fights, and lost to two Japanese fighters. The point he was making is that Silva had not established himself in the division yet, but GSP had. You're trying to suggest it was Silva's prime, and he's saying that Silva's prime came later in his career than GSP's, which is blatantly obvious. GSP started younger and retired earlier than Silva. Suggesting that Silva's prime was before his record setting and breaking win streak is a very weak argument. You know that.
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Your post and his post are not even in the same stratosphere of talking about what he was talking about. If it was, congrats on being the same poster as said person or being Miss Cleo....

That said, Silva and GSP were in their primes when they lost to Chonan and Serra. You can't really convince me otherwise. GSP got better after losing to Serra. Silva got better after losing to Chonan. If that equates to "not in prime" then neither were in their primes when they lost. You can't have your cake and eat it too bud.... it doesn't work like that.

Silva had already beaten the #1 ranked Sakurai and FightMatrix had him ranked in the top15 P4P and was ranked #4 at MW prior to losing to Takase.... Soooooo yeah..

Is the rule of MMA primes mean "when you were champ"? lol
 
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Fioretti said:
He has too many fights to even be comparable. Serra was 9-4 and Lutter was 8-3 when they got their title shots. Not even sure who to use as equivalent examples here. Lol
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Chris Holdsworth sorta comes to mind but he left the sport undefeated and a prospect so it wouldn't be ridiculous for him to come back and beat top guys. I guess there are some fighters we not might not know the narrative for. I really liked that season because they made believable narratives as to why they deserved a title shot and just had bad circumstances give them set backs in MMA.
 
13Seconds said:
Only Bisping/Rockhold 2 can compete with this upset
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Might be in the top 5 but even that isn't close to the same category. Most just thought Bisping was going to get smashed based on their first fight and his inability to beat top guys but some thought he had somewhat of a chance because he managed to beat Silva which was surprising.
 
cade187 said:
It’s been 13 years. We can safely say you’re never going to get over this loss.

Serra was winning the fight before the knockdown
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I got over it at UFC 83. I like Matt Serra. He is a seemingly good guy (don’t know him personally). He won that title and he worked hard for the opportunity. Go watch the fight again, I did last night. Right up to the point where Serra rocked him GSP was out striking him but not like he was piecing him up or anything. To say Matt was winning is based on what? Scoring with lower volume of strikes?
 
chinarice said:
Your post and his post are not even in the same stratosphere of talking about what he was talking about. If it was, congrats on being the same poster as said person or being Miss Cleo....

That said, Silva and GSP were in their primes when they lost to Chonan and Serra. You can't really convince me otherwise. GSP got better after losing to Serra. Silva got better after losing to Chonan. If that equates to "not in prime" then neither were in their primes when they lost. You can't have your cake and eat it too bud.... it doesn't work like that.

Silva had already beaten the #1 ranked Sakurai and FightMatrix had him ranked in the top15 P4P and was ranked #4 at MW prior to losing to Takase.... Soooooo yeah..

Is the rule of MMA primes mean "when you were champ"? lol
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It would depend on how the individual defines "prime". If you're speaking on medically defined physical prime, then yes, both were in their prime when they lost. GSP was more established in his division than Silva was comparing these two losses. That's indisputable. Silva beat Sakurai at WW, not at MW, and it was years prior.

My point is that you know what he's saying, and you're focusing on a word or two, moving the goal posts, instead of simply correcting him and continuing the conversation. You're dwelling on that one thing to make it seem like what he's actually saying is untrue. It's doing what you're accusing him of doing: moving the goal posts.
 
GrayArea said:
GSP immediately shooting for a takedown in the rematch just further proves how the first fight was NOT a fluke.

Georges wanted NO part of striking with Serra in the rematch. He knew Serra would’ve found his chin again.
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If you think so then so be it.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
I got over it at UFC 83. I like Matt Serra. He is a seemingly good guy (don’t know him personally). He won that title and he worked hard for the opportunity. Go watch the fight again, I did last night. Right up to the point where Serra rocked him GSP was out striking him but not like he was piecing him up or anything. To say Matt was winning is based on what? Scoring with lower volume of strikes?
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GSP looked a little stiff and apprehensive. He missed with lots of kicks. Neither guy did much at all prior to the first slip. Serra looked more relaxed and was landing a little cleaner, although there was nothing significant from either guy. I don't see much of a case for a 10-9 GSP if the round ended before the first slip.
 
Fioretti said:
It was a cool concept, but poorly executed. A season of undefeated fighters with double digit wins would make more sense.



I always post that line just for you. You have some crazy ass radar that always finds that line. Never disappoint. = )
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Yeah I only watched it that one time when it was airing but I don't think the UFC had easy access to people like they usually would. Also it was called the Comeback...it wouldn't make sense to have undefeated fighters. Each fighter had some sort of set back in their career and TUF was their redemption. Poorly executed? The finished product of Serra winning was something out of a story book and the entire point of the season.
 
Reach4theSky said:
Serra was always small for the division. In his prime he was a lightweight..

Now he's a heavyweight..

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God Damn. His forearm is bigger than Rocksalt's head.
 
gono btw said:
Your claim, McDego... Your claim.
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Aw, don't tell me you're going the Thunderdamus route because I called you on your Japanese radar. It's cool, bro, you sniff it out. PRIDE fixed some fights and didn't test for roids. We all know it. I always write that line to tease you. Don't be mad, homie.
 
Fioretti said:
@gono btw - I saw your post before you deleted it. What happened?
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Some Mod, perhaps..

Anyway, since I like your cockiness, letz make it interestin´, then...
If you dont duck this debate, I will:

1/ Delete all the 38 Decons Threads
2/ Delete all the 49 'The Day' Threads
3/ Ask for a definitive Ban
4/ Not recreate a new account (eazy 2 spot Gono > 'No Rush', 'BS-Ping'...)

Now, if you fail to do so... well... guess what... I really, really want you to take the bait:

> Nothin´will happen: you keep your account, no probz.

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gono btw said:
Some Mod, perhaps..

Anyway, since I like your cockiness, letz make it interestin´, then...
If you dont duck this debate, I will:

1/ Delete all the 38 Decons Threads
2/ Delete all the 49 'The Day' Threads
3/ Ask for a definitive Ban
4/ Not recreate a new account (eazy 2 spot Gono > 'No Rush', 'BS-Ping'...)

Now, if you fail to do so... well... guess what... I really, really want you to take the bait:

> Nothin´will happen: you keep your account, no probz.

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What exactly are you proposing? What are you trying to debate?
 
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